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ZeroK0ol

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:42 am

This is what it would cost to craft buffs as a NEW dr in TODAY'S economy collecting some of the BETTER resources currently in bria's economy.... makes me puke.

Avian = 138u x 325cpu = 44850

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=235958

Rea Gas = 138u x 40cpu = 5520

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=32646

Dolovite Iron = 96u x 25cpu = 2400

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=175983

Dom Oats = 96u x 10cpu = 960

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=91068

Herb Meat = 192u x 150cpu = 28800

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=225318

C4 Liq Petro = 192u x 60cpu = 11520

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=158930

Lok Wild Wheat = 234u x 4.6cpu = 1077

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=53304

Tat Fiberplast =234u x 40cpu =9360

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=127809

Grand Total is 104487 if you bought the servers better resources out of spawn PER SET OF BUFF PACKS

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EdieBauer

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:06 am

#2

Lesson: Don't buy everything.

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ZeroK0ol

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:09 am

#3

Thats a given. Just putting this out there for the morons screaming that Avian is the only thing to worry about.

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Chachoui

Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:52 am

#4

Indeed it's not only the avian which makes the packs expensive.

On Chimaera it's something like this:

Avian = 138u x 325cpu = 44850

Rea Gas = 138u x 10cpu = 1380

Dolovite Iron = 96u x 60cpu = 5760

Dom Oats = 96u x 30cpu = 2880

Herb Meat = 192u x 160cpu = 30720

C4 Liq Petro = 192u x 50cpu = 9600

Lok Wild Wheat = 234u x 30cpu = 7020

Tat Fiberplast =234u x 15cpu = 3510

Which totals up to 105720

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Morningbrood

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:04 am

#5

WOW!!!

I will never complain about resource prices on ahazi again a stack of avian just like that would retail for around 100cpu there.

After seeing that you should feel justified in charging 30k for buffs or more just to make doc crafting worth the time or effort.

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ZeroK0ol

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:05 am

#6

And before i get flamed for 'HARVEST YOUR OWN' this is fair market value for what i have personally stockpiled, weather i bought it, or harvested it, doesnt matter.

if i was to sell these raw resources on the open market, for the equivlant resources it costs to make a buff pack, it would be approximately 105k fair market value. So the true cost of a crafted buff pack should definately be above the fair market value of what the resources you use are worth.

as such, cost of buffing should be relavent to the time + cost of buff pack + what a customer is willing to pay.

just doing some job costing, and if u want to do fair market value in todays economics in the real world. it would look like this.

In a real world market place you should expect to make 4-5 times what you put into something, minus the cost of it, and cost of the man power you pay out. So total profit to self should be around 3 times on the over head.

105k is fair market value of the resources. a crafting doc should then charge 400k+ for a single set of buf packs, as such a non crafting buffing doctor who buys a pack at 400k+ needs to make at least 1.6m from this buff pack. 1.6m divided by 30 is about 53k per buff to the customers who buy buffs.

SO STOP COMPLAINING, YOUHAVE IT EASY AT 20K BUFFS.

just my 2 cents, and the return slot is broken so you have to keep em.

Message Edited by ZeroK0ol on 09-02-2004 08:09 AM

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Happymob

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:56 am

#7

100K a set does cut the profit significantly. You may be able to maximize profits with slightly less than ideal resources though. What if you could buy herbivore meat for 50 cpu that only resulted in 10 less power? You would save around 18000 credits a set, but would you really have to lower your sales price by that much? What if you could find class 4 at 10 cpu that only cut another 5 from power? I bet a suitable substitute for tat fiberplast could be found as well for much less.

If a medical crafter maintains the mentality that they can only use the very best resources available, you will always be paying a huge premium and your profits will always be limited (though as someone pointed out, you can still make a decent profit). The key when you buy your resources is to figure out where you can get high cost savings with a very small sacrifice in final product. Look at the highest cost components and really calculate how each one contributes to the final product. You might be surprised at just how little the extra 100 PE and 100 OQ of the super-premium herbivore meat really contributes (around 3 power, for the record).

Message Edited by Happymob on 09-02-2004 10:56 AM

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Marrow1

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:10 am

#8

Some points

1. Only the foolish crafter buys many of thier resouces on the trade forum. It is by far the most expensive place to buy any resouces. Even if your in a bind for some rare resouce try not to get it in the auctions. If you do need to go to the forum put in the WTB thread of your own. Someone will often have some of the resouces stashed away and be willing to part with it. By doing it this way you avoid others trying to out bid you.

2. Fight the right battles. Lets say your making ACRDM. You currently need both class 4 and herb. Look around and see which one you cana "b" grade resouce for and save the most cash. More often than not you can use the "b" grade mixed with an "a" grade resouce and only loose a few point on power while saving a ton of cash. Herb meat shifts often so just wait a week or two and when it gets good get a lot of it.

3. Don't just jump into crafting high end. Wait until you have a chance to hit a few of the key spawns yourself. Those resouces will be near free. Make mid grade stuff or stims in the mean time.

4. Make friends with other docs. Trade with eachother and not against.

5. If all else fails make the 100k per set buff packs and buff for cash. If you making 30 charge packs you will still be tripleing your money.

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ZeroK0ol

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:17 am

#9

ok, a lil clarifcation

I personally dont buy the bulk of my resources on auction. Just when i need it.

I did this survey to show the state of Bria's economy towards Docs. And to show that Avian isnt

the only factor in Buffs. because i hear from people screaming at Docs (and me personally) that payin 250cpu-300cpu

for Avian meat is negligable to the profit we make from buffs.

Which, if you harvest everything else yourself. That's true. But in a fair market value scale, which this is, I could sell the

raw resources used for 105k a set and not be a doctor at all. So thats what i was really showing, fair market values

for all the resources needed to craft a buff in bria's economy.

It's true that i COULD use sub par resources instead of the cream of the crop, but then you will be buffing for less then the guy next to ya who bought all his buffs from Jirob or Sippura, which in most cases the starport buffing doctors are doing. I craft my own buffs and i basically just buff guildies and friends for free. Just did this to show fair market values.

but thanks for the comments, keep them coming

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RedAnubis

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:53 am

#10

I concur there are many factors that govern the manufacturing costs involved. Saying avian meat is the sole governing factor in the cost is not correct.

That is why I offer to 2 versions of enhance packs on my vendor, econo (836 base) and high end (911 base). If you cannot afford the high end one, you can purchase the econo line. Only 206 final stat difference between them.

Some don't prefer the pricing on the high end ones, but are more than willing to purchase the econo one.

My econo ones are 70k per set and the high end are 132k.

Many sell non ACRDM and ACRDM equipped Stims on the vendor, why not the same for enhance packs.

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Taenyc

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:07 am

#11

ZeroK0ol wrote:

This is what it would cost to craft buffs as a NEW dr in TODAY'S economy collecting some of the BETTER resources currently in bria's economy.... makes me puke.

Avian = 138u x 325cpu = 44850

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=235958

Rea Gas = 138u x 40cpu = 5520

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=32646

Dolovite Iron = 96u x 25cpu = 2400

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=175983

Dom Oats = 96u x 10cpu = 960

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=91068

Herb Meat = 192u x 150cpu = 28800

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=225318

C4 Liq Petro = 192u x 60cpu = 11520

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=158930

Lok Wild Wheat = 234u x 4.6cpu = 1077

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=53304

Tat Fiberplast =234u x 40cpu =9360

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bria_trade&message.id=127809

Grand Total is 104487 if you bought the servers better resources out of spawn PER SET OF BUFF PACKS

Wow, that good pricing, only 105k per set. If you sell those buffs at 12k per buff you make 336k per set at 28 uses. Lets see, 336k minus 105k = 231k. Whats to complain about here, you're making dam good money off those.

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Bad_Bad_Leroy

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:16 am

#12

ZeroK0ol wrote:

Thats a given. Just putting this out there for the morons screaming that Avian is the only thing to worry about.

Hey, are you calling me a moron? Did you even read my guide???The only thingit stated was how much more avian added to the cost of a buff. It compared [other resources] + [cheap avian] to [other resources]+[expensive avian]. The [other resources] can cost 1,000 or 1,000,000,it doesn't matter.

Ifyou can't comprehend that you're hopeless...

If you weren't referring to my Avian pricing guide, then I take this comment back.

Message Edited by Bad_Bad_Leroy on 09-02-2004 02:23 PM

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ZeroK0ol

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:28 am

#13

Hey, are you calling me a moron? Did you even read my guide???The only thingit stated was how much more avian added to the cost of a buff. It compared [other resources] + [cheap avian] to [other resources]+[expensive avian]. The [other resources] can cost 1,000 or 1,000,000,it doesn't matter.

Ifyou can't comprehend that you're hopeless...

not until now. Why do you take everything personally? that would, for the most part be directed towards the hunters charging 300cpu+ per avian. Man, does it hurt? is it that time of the month? take a pill and go home.

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