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Thread: The Doctor's oath and factions

gethmord
Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:43 am
#1

I would like to see the ability to heal anyone in the med. centers. Myself being neutral in the war going on. But any medic should be able to heal anyone regardless of faction. In times of war, it is common practice to heal the enemy. They are human after all. And the Doctor's oath is above any military orders.





I SWEAR by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others. I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot!
Valkyryn
Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:53 am
#2

You realize, of course, that the ancient Hippocratic oath is explicitly pro-life? I don't think you want to bring an issue that thorny into a game like this.
Zarlor
Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:11 am
#3

Let's also add that the Hippocratic Oath is strictly an EARTH invention. We have no way at all of knowing (without direct guidance from LucasArts) that it even applies in the Star Wars universe. Besides, if you want to play your character as having take that oath (or something similar) feel free. But I sure don't remember the game showing me any kind of oaththat my characterwas required to follow when I talked to that Medic, Doctor or CM trainer. Did I miss something?



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ogreb42
Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:34 am
#4

Har, you're looking too deeply into it. It is necessary to put restrictions on who can be healed by whoom for game mechanic purposes. Its not fair to the attacker to allow the defender to be healed by someone immune to the combat, wounds included.
Taallyn
Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:45 am
#5

The Hippocratic Oath is a social convention invented on Earth. The universe of SWG is much large and encompasses a great many more societies than we have on our world. There is certainly the possibility that there are cultures with a similar convention for their physicians. However, it is just as likely that there are many societies without such a concept. There could even be differences within different sub-societies of the same species.
Skotticus
Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:50 pm
#6

As for myself, i find the ideals of the Hippocratic Oath to be appealing.


As for others, you should note that there are many elements in the oath which do not even apply to modern Earth practices. I'd like to see someone try to get out of paying their bills for medical school by waving the Oath in the face of the school's Bursar.


The main ideal of the Oath is the practice of medicine for whomever needs it, whenever, regardless of personal or social prejudice.


It would be nice from a roleplaying standpoint to be able to heal anyone regardless of faction. In the absence of a comparable stricture (though i have no doubt that there would at some point have been such, humanity being fundamentally humanitarian), it becomes a personal decision. I doubt many people would like to think that if they had the capability and opportunity to save a human (or perhaps otherwise) life they would decline to make the attempt. Unfortunately, this decision is taken away from the healer by the PVP faction system.


Despite the developers' supposed dedication toward providing a rich roleplaying environment, in this respect they have failed.




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Phil_N_DeBlanc
Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:06 pm
#7

Does killing overt imperials count as following the hypocratic oath? Because I tend to view that as preventative medicine for my fellow rebs.



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Putton
Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:42 pm
#8

This is from the view of an imperial physician.


I am among those chosen to heal the emperors finest soldiers.


The emperor cannot entrust the care of his own elite to anyone but those pledged to him.


Anyone else, the so called neutrals, arepossiblytraitors and/or rebels in disguise, and who knows what concoctions they add to their medicines in order to destroy the empire and bring chaos to the galaxy.



I too have a code of the medical practitioner. In the medcenter I will heal anyone who is not breaching the sanctity of the medical facility. Thoe who bring strife and war into the medcenterare asked to leave or might be denied service when they come back.


This goes for Imperial, "Neutral" and rebel alike, as long as they follow the sanctity.




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Ynatti
Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:42 pm
#9


gethmord wrote:
I would like to see the ability to heal anyone in the med. centers. Myself being neutral in the war going on. But any medic should be able to heal anyone regardless of faction. In times of war, it is common practice to heal the enemy.




I have the same desire to rollplay my character in the same way. Wish the game would let me do so.



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Solardren
Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:48 pm
#10

i agree completly...im a rebel but in the med center im a doc, above all else, imo the it wouldnt be wise to heal this patient statement should be taken out and docs should be able to heal anyone that is dmged.
Makhfi
Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:04 am
#11

This I wrote on Wanderhome:


"Since there seemsto bealot of shooting going on in medical facilities i would like that the devs declared them neutral. And with that I mean that nobody would be able to attack anyone else while inside. BF exist where you must choose a side, why can't a neutral zone exist? So medics and doctors can do their stuff without having to watch their back?


It's like I would sneak into an enemy hospital in RL and attack the wounded and their doctors, just because they are weaker than me and I can take them while they are unprepared. I would never do such a thing, not in RL and not in SWG, I'm not that kind of person. However, since the world, unfortunately, has people like this. I would really like the devs to make the Med. Centers neutral."


I would like them to make it possible for neutrals to heal anyone while in a Med. Center. I can understand if they don't want rebels and imperials to heal each other.




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cheweylewey
Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:32 am
#12

I could see being given the ability to pop a heal off on somebody who is incapacitated, but only if prison camps are in the game. If a soldier is wounded in battle they are not treated then released to pk you another day. They are placed in a prison camp until the war is over.



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Finegold12
Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:40 am
#13

I agree that Doctors should be able to heal whoever.

Also the post about about Wnderhome shootings in teh hospital made me think of something. Wouldn't it be cool if you could temporarily Ban someone from the Hospital.

Like I ban thee command in UO.

I know, I know... it could get abused... *blah*blah*blah*... but I'd love to be able to turn around and Ban someone from my hospital if they were causing trouble.



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