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Thread: Me vs. the galaxy tumblers.
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lordbote
Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:08 am
#1
Up front I never once healed afk macro tumbers and I mastered medic, doc, and CM without doing it. I know plenty of other docs who also never earned there med exp this way. I have heard it all from the players who utelize this, dare I say exploit. "I am just healing a player with damage." "If you can do it its not an exploit." Well, here is what I say to that. I knew in game a master smuggler who happened to be the guild leader of the largest rebel guild on a certain unamed server. That smuggler sliced a weapon twice. He could do it, the game mechanics allowed him to. That did not go far when his account was banned. No warning, just banned. I buff any afk tumbler I see so sorry up front if I ruin your exp party.
Rydar
Master Doc/Master CM
Rydar
Master Doc/Master CM
Dawney
Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:57 am
#2
AFK-tumbling would be no problem at all if the game would enforce the need for medics/docs in hunting groups.
that would be a far more interesting, funny and rewarding way to get your healing xp.
but in a world of solo-huntinggroups that is a dream.
hopefully, this may all change after publish 11
that would be a far more interesting, funny and rewarding way to get your healing xp.
but in a world of solo-huntinggroups that is a dream.
hopefully, this may all change after publish 11
Spacesloth
Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:28 am
#3
it's not an expoite. if the game allowed double slicing then soe was wrong to ban that guys account. just like it would be wrong for soe to ban your account for buffing tumblers. may they take pity on you. (i don't agree with healing tumblers. i think it creates very boreing medical centers. i did heal tumblers tho. if it's a problem they should fix it.)
MasterNerfSlayer
Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:50 am
#4
Tumbling is not an exploit because tumbling is a special that uses action andworks as intended, it just wasn't expected that players would loop it an heal people doing it, but that is perfectly within it's usage.A design oversight most definitely.
Multi-slicing on the other hand is not meant to be possible, and was certainly not intended, and that is what makes it an exploit. The design and indeed the implementation was for the item to be sliced only once, and the system was meant to stop further attempts, and in most cases it does. Players found one way where it doesn't, and that constitutes an exploit. Acheive results that were designed specifically to be not possible, whereas tumbling is meant to cause you action damage, and that can be healed without going outside the realms of normal play.
Sadlateen
Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:11 am
#5
"I buff any afk tumbler I see so sorry up front if I ruin your exp party."
Rather an exploiter then a griefer. and you admit it here when you say you RUIN somthing for other players.
AFK tumblers MAY be a exploit (but its not for you a deside its for the Devs) but it does not in any way interfear in yoursor any othersgame play. What does it matter to you how another player gains skill other then pure childish spite. I sware thay should ban every account who comes here and admits thay grief others by buffing tumblers. because that is alot worse then the tumblers themself.
So let them ban accounts of tumblers if thay want. that is there desision but thay should ban all griefers first! there the ones perpously ruining other peoples game play for there own selfish reasons.
Roustabout
Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:18 am
#6
If tumblers were going to be banned they would have been banned long long ago. Coming here on the boards and making hollow threats does nothing except make you look like you're pouting because you don't get your way. On the other hand, purposefully griefing someone is considered a violation of Sony's rules and on any day of the week enough people reporting you for buffing a tumbler will get you in far more trouble than people reporting a tumbler. Besides, if there are no tumblers then the medical centers would be empty damn near 24/7
jimbo2779
Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:20 am
#7
Tis tru what masternerfslayer says in that tumbling is indeed an intended action a player can perform once he/she has reached a certain skill level. However they ( the Devs, if they actually exist) have stated that tumbling will be taken out of the game as it is being used to grind professions unnaturally quickly. I think this is BS, if it is being used in a way that was unintentional then surely it does lie under the constraints of an exploit.
If this is the case anyone that has AFK tumbled or healed an AFK tumbler should have their account wiped with no chance to get it back. This is also total BS as the devs have a made something that has allowed a certain player or players to do something. We pay SOE and we play the game.
It is very hard for people to distinguish between bugs, exploits and what was intended. Should everyone that used the old bike bug be banned? Would anyone be left? I doubt it, in fact I know nobody would. Would anyone get banned for using the new bike bug? I doubt it. Are SOE gonna fix the new bike bug? Probably, in patch 13. Who wants to wait till then? Not me.
I know people reading this will think here we go another SOE flamer, I probably am bashing them, do I care? Not especially. I have played many online games before and this has to have the most bugs of any game I have played, and it isnt so much the bugs that annoy me (well they do really really get to me) its the fact that there are so many bugs in the game that stay in the game for so long that we simply accept that the devs have said they will fix it in 3 or 4 patches time.
The fact is that whatever happens in the game is a result of what the devs have done, if anyone uses a tumbler for afk macroing up the medic/doc/cm tree should they be banned for using an unintentional part of the game? No the devs should be fired for letting such a poor idea enter the game in the first place if they couldnt see this happening a mile off.
I AM a doctor and have been for a long time, I did use a tumbler for some of the tree but not as much as most. As soon as someone told me to type /tumbletostand I saw the potential instantly and this has been a feature of the game since i have been playing. If the devs didnt see this potential that is their fault, if they dont like it then they should disable it and leave everyone that has used it alone.
Nuff said.
Jimbolina
Nebari
Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:23 am
#8
I've used tumblers to finish off the last couple of boxes in Doc way back when I was mastering it. I don't really agree with them though, but do not think there is too much harm if you have somebody tumbling for you, if you are out the way. (i.e In your house, middle of nowhere)
What I do hate, is people tumbling in the med centre, as it stops people getting healed, and what is worse are the medics/docs who do not even bother to try to heal people because they are healing a tumbler. Damn right wrong!
If people are going to tumble in a med centre, go upstairs for gods sake. Don't crowd out the area players come to get healed.
In future if I see people tumbling downstairs in a med centre, and they do not move upstairs when asked politely, I will buff them without hesitation.
BrJLa
Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:27 am
#9
Can someone please explain to me the perspective of these people who think they need to impose their style of play on other people? I pay $15/month to have fun, not meet your expectations of how I should play the game. How, exactly, does my using a tumbler to make Master Medic affect you and how you spend your time playing the game? Or is it that your fun IS derived from imposing your style of play on other people. Just like I enjoy hunting and harvesting good resources, you like finding people who aren't playing your way, and finding ways to force them to? Is that it? So your a greefer, then...right? Your fun is in disrupting other people's fun. I guessI get it.
Mmaxx
Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:43 am
#10
I tried to avoid the tumbler use for the longest time but it took too long. Seriously no one gets hurt in battle any amount. I tried to get my XP in the cantina, even stayed outside the cantina with my droid out so I could ninja heal wounds of people comming in and out of the cantina. I finally got fed up with that and got a buddy to tumble for me. That got me what I needed except for about 40 minutes using an afk tumbler.
I know a lot of docs got their XP the proper way but I also know a lot of you got it when a group of 5 was needed to take on a durni lair. A couple days ago I took a novice fencer with me to fight enranged rancors with the idea that he would get a bunch of combat XP and I could get some healing XP. This guy was just a 1111 fencer so I expected some damage but I may have gotten 500 XP total healing him during our fights. If you don't approve of tumblers then stay away from them. Buffing their substats is greifing and is kind of pathetic really.
There are a lot of people that are trying to get a couple more profs done before the revamp. People with 20+ profs that haven't unlocked and are somewhat possesed with a desire to complete thier goal. Let them finish grinding however they deem neccessary. These people haven't had 5 minutes of enjoyment out the game since they started their grinding push. It's almost sad and you are punishing them for doing what SOE forced them into by making the way to Jedi messed up.
If you feel the need to buff them, do what I do and buff their Action only. That will give more XP to those healing.
Jo'ran
Dragonian
Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:45 am
#11
I know this is a troll since the original poster has yet to respond. But what the heck, my 2cr worth as follows
Without afk tumblers in the med centers, who would be in the med centers? When I was working up doc I only ever saw someone in real need of healing maybe once an hour. This was in Coronet btw. With so little demand no one in their right mind would sit in the med center just for kicks.
I remember launch and the way med centers used to be before we had doctors and buffs were a rare thing as there wern't too many docs yet. When cloning was not pracitced regularly and people ended up with mondo wounds after a bad clone job. But with buffs being so prevelent, the demand for medics in the med centers has dropped to almost nothing.
The tumblers provide a real draw for novice medics to be in the med centers. What does buffing them accomplish? It empties the med center is what it does and who does that serve? If what you do becomes common place it will just drive those that prefer that method to take it else where to contract with private tumblers leaving the med centers desolate for lack of traffic.
Hopefully with the combat balance they might work toward making med centers viable on there own to help make tumblers obsolete. But for now, you only hurt those you want to help as far as I can see. Plus you're griefing the tumblers. Specifically interfering with them, and as I recall, that's against the CoC and could get you reported and possibly temp banned if reported too many times.
Bottom line though is that you won't ever accomplish what you intend with that tactic.
Without afk tumblers in the med centers, who would be in the med centers? When I was working up doc I only ever saw someone in real need of healing maybe once an hour. This was in Coronet btw. With so little demand no one in their right mind would sit in the med center just for kicks.
I remember launch and the way med centers used to be before we had doctors and buffs were a rare thing as there wern't too many docs yet. When cloning was not pracitced regularly and people ended up with mondo wounds after a bad clone job. But with buffs being so prevelent, the demand for medics in the med centers has dropped to almost nothing.
The tumblers provide a real draw for novice medics to be in the med centers. What does buffing them accomplish? It empties the med center is what it does and who does that serve? If what you do becomes common place it will just drive those that prefer that method to take it else where to contract with private tumblers leaving the med centers desolate for lack of traffic.
Hopefully with the combat balance they might work toward making med centers viable on there own to help make tumblers obsolete. But for now, you only hurt those you want to help as far as I can see. Plus you're griefing the tumblers. Specifically interfering with them, and as I recall, that's against the CoC and could get you reported and possibly temp banned if reported too many times.
Bottom line though is that you won't ever accomplish what you intend with that tactic.
Duraeli
Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:57 am
#12
I guess I feel I should chime in on this...
I'm an older Master Doc, meaning I mastered it back last August when I had nothing better to do with life. Never healed tumblers, pets, ect...but, as a lot of you are saying the world is different now and combat damage is negligable so to a certain degree I can understand where you are coming from. I don't necessarily condone it, but if it's necessary so be it.
The real problem, in my eyes, is the model for becoming a Jedi. Grind x professions and then poof, your in. Used to be that people were Docs because they wanted to heal people, or people were Dancers because they wanted to look like John Travolta in Sat. Night Fever. Now I've noticed quite a few people (not everyone, but the numbers are definitely way up there) who are just on the way up the ladder to Jedi. So, all you get are people rushing to get this profession done with so they can start the next.
To them I say, good luck to you. I guess in that case I say let em heal tumblers. Gets them through to the next profession faster.
To those who say "Why do you care how someone else plays the game?" Well, truth be told people grinding to Master Doc in two days does effect the game for the rest of us. Now, granted I don't buff in public anymore, but I can see how some new master doc can offer buffs at a similar level to someone who worked hard to gain the status. Does it effect me at all? No, not really...but I do understand where some of you are coming from.
Sorry for the rant...its earlier and I don't know where I was going with this.
I'm an older Master Doc, meaning I mastered it back last August when I had nothing better to do with life. Never healed tumblers, pets, ect...but, as a lot of you are saying the world is different now and combat damage is negligable so to a certain degree I can understand where you are coming from. I don't necessarily condone it, but if it's necessary so be it.
The real problem, in my eyes, is the model for becoming a Jedi. Grind x professions and then poof, your in. Used to be that people were Docs because they wanted to heal people, or people were Dancers because they wanted to look like John Travolta in Sat. Night Fever. Now I've noticed quite a few people (not everyone, but the numbers are definitely way up there) who are just on the way up the ladder to Jedi. So, all you get are people rushing to get this profession done with so they can start the next.
To them I say, good luck to you. I guess in that case I say let em heal tumblers. Gets them through to the next profession faster.
To those who say "Why do you care how someone else plays the game?" Well, truth be told people grinding to Master Doc in two days does effect the game for the rest of us. Now, granted I don't buff in public anymore, but I can see how some new master doc can offer buffs at a similar level to someone who worked hard to gain the status. Does it effect me at all? No, not really...but I do understand where some of you are coming from.
Sorry for the rant...its earlier and I don't know where I was going with this.
Caynnor
Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:05 am
#13
After tumbling damage won't give med exp. the cantinas will still be empty, everyone will be out healing diseased pets.
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