Doctor Archive

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Rere wrote:

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jassi007 wrote:

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maqsbro1 wrote:

I'm afraid for the new doctors who have no credits at all and have no skill points left for for scout to get avian, even novice scout it takes 3 hours to get 5k of avian meat on the larger drop planets like dathomir and is very boring indeed

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3hrs for 5k, that if used wisely will last a new doc for a couple months and/or make them a couple million credits, which fuels them to hire people to harvest for them at market value.

Or to put it another way, there isn't anything wrong with the system, other than the people that can't stand to be challenged a little bit.

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Err most certainly disagree.

But if you care for an explanation check the other thread about this.

Message Edited by Rere on 12-17-2004 12:51 PM

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I'm well aware of the other thread. And I think your confusing something being intentionally difficult, with something being "broken." Quite simply, if the devs wanted us to be able to have more access to the organic component for buffs, instead of retooling the avian drops, they could simply change the resource required. The fact that they made it a rare resource type would seem to indicate the rarity of it is intentional. Considering that, your free to ask for more avian till you turn blue in the face, but its not going to happen because the devs don't want it to.

Then of course, you'll have to consider that the cry for better avian drops, if it went away, really wouldn't go away. It'd just transfer over to a cry for more good class 4. More good herb meat. More good dant berries. And so on and so on, etc... Resources are the part of the overall challenge in the crafting game. Its designed to be difficult. You're free to disagree, but it does not change the facts.

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jassi007 wrote:

I'm well aware of the other thread. And I think your confusing something being intentionally difficult, with something being "broken." Quite simply, if the devs wanted us to be able to have more access to the organic component for buffs, instead of retooling the avian drops, they could simply change the resource required. The fact that they made it a rare resource type would seem to indicate the rarity of it is intentional. Considering that, your free to ask for more avian till you turn blue in the face, but its not going to happen because the devs don't want it to.

Then of course, you'll have to consider that the cry for better avian drops, if it went away, really wouldn't go away. It'd just transfer over to a cry for more good class 4. More good herb meat. More good dant berries. And so on and so on, etc... Resources are the part of the overall challenge in the crafting game. Its designed to be difficult. You're free to disagree, but it does not change the facts.

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"Difficult" and "Challenging" are great! Most of us like being Docs for that very reason. When an avian spawn pops, if only occasionally, it is difficult and challenging to get - fine.
I feel the same frustration as Rerinha. It has been months now on our server since 'challenging' turned to 'impossible'.

But wait! A few days ago some 1000 oq avian spawned on Rori. Lo and behold, I drove around Rori for a few hours the other night only to find that spawns on Rori are non-existant (a little forum research turned up that rori spawns have been broken since publish 11.whatever on all servers).

Sure, people will always complain about something, but this feels more like a stealth nerf to buffs rather than a challenge.

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weshutch wrote:
"Difficult" and "Challenging" are great! Most of us like being Docs for that very reason. When an avian spawn pops, if only occasionally, it is difficult and challenging to get - fine.
I feel the same frustration as Rerinha. It has been months now on our server since 'challenging' turned to 'impossible'.

But wait! A few days ago some 1000 oq avian spawned on Rori. Lo and behold, I drove around Rori for a few hours the other night only to find that spawns on Rori are non-existant (a little forum research turned up that rori spawns have been broken since publish 11.whatever on all servers).

Sure, people will always complain about something, but this feels more like a stealth nerf to buffs rather than a challenge.

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Yep, exactly.

Plus if you're talking about the Huttesy avian,thats 406 PE stuff. I don't really understand all the fuss about it since using best qualitysubcomponents and gasyou can barely brake the 800 mark with it.

Also, Ihad no ideathat the Rori spawnswere broken. Geez.

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Rere wrote:

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jassi007 wrote:

I'm well aware of the other thread. And I think your confusing something being intentionally difficult, with something being "broken." Quite simply, if the devs wanted us to be able to have more access to the organic component for buffs, instead of retooling the avian drops, they could simply change the resource required. The fact that they made it a rare resource type would seem to indicate the rarity of it is intentional. Considering that, your free to ask for more avian till you turn blue in the face, but its not going to happen because the devs don't want it to.

Then of course, you'll have to consider that the cry for better avian drops, if it went away, really wouldn't go away. It'd just transfer over to a cry for more good class 4. More good herb meat. More good dant berries. And so on and so on, etc... Resources are the part of the overall challenge in the crafting game. Its designed to be difficult. You're free to disagree, but it does not change the facts.

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Hehe. Care to point to me WHERE I ever said the avian drop rate was broken? Guess I'm not the only one who might be confused here. I'm also well aware that it's intentional as I also agree with you that it's suppose to be the greatest challenge in the Doc prof. But I must remind it should be a challenge as well as FUN. Waiting for 4-6 months for drops of high quality meat and then get them on Tat or Corellia has nothing really challenge about it. It's frustrating.

Also comparing organic resources that one has to hunt for, such as avian or herb meat, to C4 or any minable resources is just silly. The amount of a certain resource that can be mined is and will always be absolutely higher than the any amount of herb or avian meat that can be harvested and end up circulating on the economy of a certain server. You might not have enough of them atm, but at one point there was ALWAYS more offer of it in the market than demand for it. Such thing doesn't happen with avian meat, I'm sorry to inform you.

And yes, you might also disagree. But those are facts too.

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Well the topic of this thread is fix avian meat. That would imply its broken would it not? Not your words, but in regards to this post, we assume one half of the arguement is that something is in need of fixing, which would mean it is broken. I contested that there is nothing to fix, ala nothing broken. You disagreed, which would point to you supporting the line of thought that something is in need of fixing, ala broken. Ergo, I assumed you feel that the avian spawn situation is in fact broken.

It'd seem your point is, that its just not fun. Ok fine. You don't like it, but you also presume that nobody enjoys harvesting rare resources. If that were true, instead of few rangers there'd be none. Also, frankly I've seen more good avian spawns than more good class4. A quick query of www.swgcraft.com for Shadowfire server would show the same thing. Sure its easier to get a quantity of a machine harvestable, but frankly a new doc has a much greater chance of getting quality avian before they could get quality class4. In some respects, class4 is much much much rarer than avian. I don't know what server your on, but our server had 4 top notch avian spawns within the last 30 days. 1 on tatooine, one on dathomir, one on yavin, and one on rori.

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hamhamthe3rd wrote:

it was my understanding that the amount of players in the area affects the spawns. so sinceno one goes to rori, you wont run across many lairs. the load screen does say rori is not densely populated so it would seem its not broken.

anyway if we all want more avian, why not petition for frogs for we can just get our avian when we need it. really, there are bigger problems within the profession than any of us wanting (not needing) to horde a large amount of high quality avian.

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Heh. If it isn't the "you hunt for your wheat, hunt for your berries" guy. Yeah. Strangely enough THIS was voted among the top 5 issues with the prof. You should do your research better.

Also, which part of "not having a high quality spawn of meat in 4-6 months" can't you understand? What you think we are trying to hoard here? Air? Currently (and for the past few months now) we DIDN'T had any spawnof aviandecent enough to even craft 860 power packs.

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jassi007 wrote:


Well the topic of this thread is fix avian meat. That would imply its broken would it not? Not your words, but in regards to this post, we assume one half of the arguement is that something is in need of fixing, which would mean it is broken. I contested that there is nothing to fix, ala nothing broken. You disagreed, which would point to you supporting the line of thought that something is in need of fixing, ala broken. Ergo, I assumed you feel that the avian spawn situation is in fact broken.

It'd seem your point is, that its just not fun. Ok fine. You don't like it, but you also presume that nobody enjoys harvesting rare resources. If that were true, instead of few rangers there'd be none. Also, frankly I've seen more good avian spawns than more good class4. A quick query of www.swgcraft.com for Shadowfire server would show the same thing. Sure its easier to get a quantity of a machine harvestable, but frankly a new doc has a much greater chance of getting quality avian before they could get quality class4. In some respects, class4 is much much much rarer than avian. I don't know what server your on, but our server had 4 top notch avian spawns within the last 30 days. 1 on tatooine, one on dathomir, one on yavin, and one on rori.

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First of all, you sure do assume a lot of things.

Second. Refer to my 2nd post in this thread and please read it carefully. Do I need to highlight the "check the other thread" part? I do defend the idea that avian drops should be raised indeed. But I never said anything about being currently broked. Obviously it is working as the Devs always intended to.Also unlike thecreator of this post, Idisagreethat the reason it should be raised it's because we pay too much for it as it is. Hunters deserve their payout. My point is, for some serversit certainly isn't working because besides the really low level of drops, the waiting time between themhas grown ridiculously high over the last year or so.

Also, I'm on Bloodfin.Read my post above and for the 10th in these kind of thread you will see why I think the drop rates is an issue.You're on Shadowfire I take it? I got a few friends there. You guysjust had a sweet spawn of 948 OQ 881 PE avian there that isn't even 1 month old (And myGod, it was from Dath!).Plus you said you had even better spawns after that. Avian meat, along with reactive gas is THE most important resources for crafting buff packs. Get ahorrible C4 and decent herb meat, and as long as you got some good avian, gas and ABECs and ASDS you will still be able to craft nice packs.

In the end,yeah you'revery likelyright, they will probably never change it. But that doesn't mean I'll stop posting why I think it should go through some kind of change at least. It's my opinion. And just like you, I'm entitled to one too.

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glock21 wrote:

I discovered a little stash of Avian meat in my house I forgot I had. I know this should go on the trade section, but I wanted to let all doctors know as well. 6200 units of Avian meat with an overall quality of 999. I am not sure of the other stats, but if you are interested in buying, I can get them for you. The price is 1.25 million for the lot. I don't craft my buff packs so the first person to offer this price will receive the Avian meat. Let me know.

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Hehe. Yep you better off doing a price check in your serverTrade Forums. And when you do, don't forget to post the PE and DR of it too, since thats important as well.