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Thread: Are we making creds on our buff pricing??

goldflame
Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:11 am
#1

Hello fellow Doctors in all the galaxies.




"When Sony and Lucas set out, we said, 'How can we do this and not make another EQ?' We didn't want it to be all about Luke, or combat, or lock our players into a class.So we created a system that would allow players to switch professions during the game, and there would be a lot of gameplay around making that change.If you want to go from architect to scout we've created a system to make that happen." - JULIO TORRES
JaydenAlejandro (MDoc/TKM/Nov.Swordsman)/Kirith Sarin (CH, Ranger)/Eido (Chef,Artisan)
Order of the Dying Knights/Citizens of Purgatory, LOK
goldflame
Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:16 am
#2

Hello fellow Doctors in all the Galaxies. I am wondering what pricing is being used throughout the servers. I am on Eclipse and the going rate is 1k per stat. Just trying to get a poll and see if our profession needs to address this issue on our individualservers. I know that I am in a unique positiondue to the company I started with afellow gamer and realize that I would not beable to sustain my operations without this.


Please keep this starting discussion to pricescharged. Then wecan expand the topic.



JaydenAlejandro (TaunDen Industires - GTS)


Eclipse.


***You need it, we canget it for you***




"When Sony and Lucas set out, we said, 'How can we do this and not make another EQ?' We didn't want it to be all about Luke, or combat, or lock our players into a class.So we created a system that would allow players to switch professions during the game, and there would be a lot of gameplay around making that change.If you want to go from architect to scout we've created a system to make that happen." - JULIO TORRES
JaydenAlejandro (MDoc/TKM/Nov.Swordsman)/Kirith Sarin (CH, Ranger)/Eido (Chef,Artisan)
Order of the Dying Knights/Citizens of Purgatory, LOK
Travin64068
Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:24 am
#3

I charge 10K for a set and give a 1K refund for every buff under 1000.


- Travin




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Agent001
Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:25 am
#4

Are you making money selling at 1k per stat?


Yes


Are you making a lot of money if that is your only income source?


No


Are you making as much money as the master<insert combat proffession name here>guy you just buffed will when he goes and doesa bunch of easy high paying missions?


No even close

Bloodburn
Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:33 am
#5

I charge 2k per stat. Why?

I dont need to buff them, They need me.
I dont need the money from buffing, since im near master pistoleer and can do 10k dath mission on my own.

So...if I AM going to buff them, Its going to be **edit** worth my time. Otherwise, I have some missions to run.

goldflame
Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:47 am
#6

The final goal i have in mind is some type of Doc union. I agree that the others need us and we really don't need them as much. For ever we have been taken for granted and I think it is time we showed our worth.



Jayden




"When Sony and Lucas set out, we said, 'How can we do this and not make another EQ?' We didn't want it to be all about Luke, or combat, or lock our players into a class.So we created a system that would allow players to switch professions during the game, and there would be a lot of gameplay around making that change.If you want to go from architect to scout we've created a system to make that happen." - JULIO TORRES
JaydenAlejandro (MDoc/TKM/Nov.Swordsman)/Kirith Sarin (CH, Ranger)/Eido (Chef,Artisan)
Order of the Dying Knights/Citizens of Purgatory, LOK
Will_Scarlet
Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:53 am
#7

I currently am a "retired" Doctor and will never again enhance a player character for less than 3k a stat. 15k is cheap, especially when you see people pay 40 million credits for a ws experimentation tape, 5 mill for a krayt pearl, 7 million for a weapon and so forth. Bloodburn is absolutely correct; the players need the doctor not vice versa. In reviewing Zarlor's list of issues, the money making for a Master Doctor is resulting in him being a street vendor. lol Well I don't really see a doctor as having to be that so I refuse to wear the "Will work for food" sign. If you add the Cron shuffle to the mix you get lots of "noob" doctors (veterans who simply grind it out) and loss of practiced doctors. Everyone seems to fly into Coronet now to find a doctor, and there is sometimes ONE sitting there, to get enhancements for their hunts. And since few seem to want to pvp without these stat alterations, the doctors can control the flow of a game.



I have suggested to those selling the enhancements that they raise prices but many feel the need to lure business with 5-6k enhancments, often refunding a "bad" enhancment. Since these are random, the player merely is risking it regardless of price. Much akin to a player bringing 11 identical krayt tissues to a weapon smith for the mythical T21 creation ...only to have a critical failure. What is the difference? At least the player getting enhanced gets SOME value.



Of course the selling of enhancments at starports seem to pull out the dreggs. The other night I watched Torth get into it with a rather rude Gosu on Chilastra because Gosu would only pay for the enhancments AFTER he got them. Why bother arguing? Put on ignore and move along. Nothing to see. Unfortunately, that is the back end issue the in game bother or rather a form of verbal griefing. lol Compound this with two other rather annoying drains that demand a doctor's attentions.



The first would be if you are in a guild, often the members feel they should have unhindered access to your services. And sometimes for free! This is a major problem for doctors if you guild. I am not saying any, or even many guilds are this way, but in my case I found that to be true. This point leads to a joint problem from both guildies and some of the people who you may have been nice enough to enhance in the past. If your enhancments are good, they will ALWAYS try to find you online.



Tell Hell. Before I stopped being a "master doctor" for anyone other than myself or RL friends, I reached an anemic 20 tells a minute. By 20 a minute I mean from different people. With Jedi permeating the game now people either need their own "catered doctor" or go buy another account to do enhancing.



Lastly add in the time it takes to get meats, avian or herbivore, of quality. I cannot attest to the other galaxies, but there are not alot of hunters or if there are they dont sell alot Public bazaars never offer much in any great quantity and chasing private vendors can be a real time consuming issue. Of course the time away in the fields hunting can be good for the sanity as you stalk alot of nunas. Depending on your skill of course dictates what you can hunt and how quickly you can get a stack of 1-5k. Unlike WS who can drop a ton of harvesters and have 1mill units of a rare material in a couple days.



So to the original poster, all things considered, if I were enhancing players I would be charging 20-25k for 6 stats. Otherwise let em suffer. I am sure you will get enough affluent players who will pay for good enhancements happily.



WOOT!





Obiwill
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UBDYNSOON
Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:04 am
#8

I buff for no less than 10k a set now. Good resources on Bloodfin are getting very hard to acquire and find. If I do find them I have to pay dearly for them and then I have to pay dearly for my enhance kits. I dont see a problem with charging more for my time and services. I dont see master weapomsmiths or master armorsmiths giving any1 a deal on armor because of decay, hell no they just cahrge more because they know you need it to keep that Tuskan from Ganking your a$$. Ig you can affoprd to buy a 1 million credit pistol or other weapon you can surely afford my 10k for a set of buffs and thats the way I see it and we all should see it that way. As far as my guild go, we have 2 master doctors and 2 more finishing the crafting line of it to be a MD. I buff my guild mates for free as they in response have harvesters collecting supplies we need to produce the meds they recquire. If the resources on Bloodfin dont turn around soon, prices may go up again soon.



Reznik
TEEA

Master Doctor
Deltanor9
Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:11 am
#9

I would be hesitant to think about a Doc union because it may well do more harm than good.


There are Docs like me who would never join it no matter the benefit. I don't believe in organizing to set prices when the service/product we sell is so incredibly variable. If i have buff packs that average 1500 i am not going to charge over 6k and will probably charge less. If my packs average 2500 i wouldn't charge under 10k if the person asking for buffs doesn't agree with my prices there are lots of other Docs out there.


Also it can pit us against each other when most join and some don't or vice versa. Each Doc plays their own way, some buff because they can, some buff to make money, some don't buff at all.


Having a group of Docs to give information and advice would be great but going beyond that is not a great idea IMHO.



Albaka


Valcyn

dbmack
Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:34 am
#10


10k minimum, and they go like hotcakes on a busy night in Dathomir. And I receive no complaints about the pricing.At an outpostlike that, it'sdefinitely a seller's market,even if there are several Master Docs in town. With a full set of buff packs, you can make a pile of $$$ if you head to Dath, park yourself at the exit, and start hollerin'.


I don't refund on bad buffs, that's part of the deal.


I will say that this is assuming Master Doc buffs. I charged less when I wasn't Master.

Batman_TWB
Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:38 am
#11

I myself charge 7k...I have a few people that tell me and gladly pay. At this moment though I still get some people that ask and say no way to my price. Personally I say Good Luck to them. Inside my head I am saying whatever your loss. Like most people here, I dont need to buff people. I do give my buffs to guildmates for free, but then again RAID is not a mega guild. So dishing out a couple buffs for free is no biggie to me. Plus I have found alternative means for cash revenue. Personally I say charge alot more if ya got the good stuff, cause people that like your goods will always come back to ya.



BattmanTWB
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Roemo
Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:49 am
#12

I charge 9k up front and will refund 500cr for a buff under 1750.


Price going up too




Roemo  Smugglers Junction
Vorgus
Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:18 am
#13

Unlike some, I don't have a stockpile of good materials to make my packs, so I consider my buffs to be inferior. So I charge 6K for a full set, and refuse to buff anyone if there is another doc around selling them (probably better buffs, and for sure they will charge accordingly, the going rate is 10K on Bria). I've traveled all over, paid too much, and feel that I've collected the best materials currently "available" but that still can't match those who have been a Doc for a long time, and have better stuff than I do, they deserve the premium they are charging.


My packs are not terrible, I'm getting 750 base on them, and 2 hour plus duration, but that is still inferiour to those that have 850's at 3 hours, so I feel my pricing is fair. I don't give refunds, but if I get a truly bad roll on either health or stamina (always the first two I buff) I always offer to DB and rez them (I'm master TKA, so it doesn't take long) if they wish to try a second roll. If any of the substat's come up lower than I'd like, that is not an issue, since even a 1500 buff on these is more than enough to let them spam special attacks at thier whim.


While like everyone else, I find it highly annoying that the random roll aspect of buffing exists, so it's impossible to sell these just like "real" items in the game with known properties in advance, but I don't think my pricing is unrealistic considering what the competition is selling them for. I can tell you for a fact, that I had a much higher profit margin as a BE than I do as a Doc, and my main purpose as a Doc is not to be a vendor for others, but to be able to buff and damage heal myself at will.


Vorgus

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