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Thread: Tumbler Rant why are medcenters not med centers but tumbler centers?

siros_vazren
Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:22 pm
#79

A few days late, but I like to add to posts that go on and on for three or more pages..


1. Besides the med exp usage, no one has found a real use for the tumbling skills. (I've asked TONS of people on several servers).

2. Groups, besides the solo kind, are almost non-existant unless it consists of guild-members only, newbies, or three/four irl friends out for a good time.

3. Medics and docs have slowly stopped or cut back on the people they heal wounds on for three reasons:

siros_vazren
Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:29 pm
#80

(Computer froze, sorry about the multi-posts)

-cont-

Three reasons:

1. Don't have/ran out of wound packs. (Had people flame me for not being ABLE to heal them).

2. People demand or expect heals without offering kind words or tips to buy new medss with.

3. People sit at far side of med center away from medic/doc and spam constantly, refusing to move closer.


It is simply docs and medics altering to the changing atmosphere and attitude of the game and its players.


Tumblers in general: People don't heal your wounds cause they are healing the tumblers. They heal the tumblers cause the tumblers are helping them instead of saying 'Heal me NOW.' or some other stupid little demand some of our lovely players bark at docs.


Just my thoughts....

S.V.
Vaelorn
Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:32 pm
#81

I stopped reading after the first page, but I will add my own to the pile...


Without Doctors, everyone is basically screwed. Combat people will get beat down like a red-headed stepchild who stole his step-daddy's wallet to buy a new bike with the rent money. Crafters... well, they sell all their stuff to combat people, and if combat people are getting beat down all the time, they're not making much money, and therefore are not spending much money on crafter items.


So, is it really too much to ask for someone to walk into the med center and politely say, "Excuse me, I'm sorry to bother you, but could you heal some of these wounds for me? I would really appreciate it". That's what a respectable healer wants to hear, not "heel my wunds itz ur job" spammed over and over. Seriously, if you are waiting to get your wounds healed, you have PLENTY of time to actually type out the words "are", "you", and "please". Those Doctors are under absolutely no obligation to help anyone but themselves; (sane ) people don't pay money to play this game just for the purpose of serving other people for free. If you want a Doctor's help, be nice to them and ask politely using complete words and sentences (to the best of your ability; if you absolutely suck at typing and/or grammar, you should at least *try*, to show your sincerity). If you're sincere when you ask for assistance, most upright-walking human beingswill help you out if they can. That's all there is to it. Simple, huh?
NikkiT
Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:09 am
#82



Eyedun wrote:


Ashine wrote:
>oh no..its not an exploit.. didnt you see the screen shots ?.. this is how SOE WANTS people to earn med XP.



Actually this is not how SOE wants people to play. It is just one CSRs personal opinion unless stated otherwise by the manager of customer support or another dev or unless an official statement appears in the holocron.

Personal opionion:
I don't like tumble-healers. Medical XP is one of the easiest types of XP to get...what's the point of annoying others just to finish your grind in one day instead of...oh, let's say, one week by playing your character? Grinding is not fun. Playing your char to get XP is...so why do people insist on the non-fun way?

I don't ninja-buff tumblers, but that doesn't mean I like them or their "customers".



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ChelseaRorec
Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:20 am
#83

I never used a tumbler to get to master Doc i did it the old fashion way and tbh it didn't take long ..but it still sickens me to see1 tumbler in the med center with loads of ppl healing him and alot of people with REAL injurys NOT getting healed because everybody is more intrested in the tumbler..lets face it tumbling is a bug exploit and it just makes me sick..in saying that i have no problems with ppl going else were to tumble but if i see you tumbling in the med center i'll just buff your action.

Tumbling for your XP please tip me ! not likely hun go pimp your smeg someplace else.



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Padded Armour Specialist
Marzuk147
Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:43 am
#84

"Personal opionion:
I don't like tumble-healers. Medical XP is one of the easiest types of XP to get...what's the point of annoying others just to finish your grind in one day instead of...oh, let's say, one week by playing your character? Grinding is not fun. Playing your char to get XP is...so why do people insist on the non-fun way?"

Medical xp is one of the more boring types of xp to get. How would you suggest going about it? Chasing people around in a starport to heal minor wounds is about the only way I could think to get it, or sitting near afk in the med center for the 1 person an hour that comes in there. This is not my definition of fun. Fun would be getting the boring crap out of the way so I can do what I want to do. Fun would be making the xping process easier. Fun would be not feeling like Im wasting my time because there is no one to heal.

Whats fun for you, may be boring to others. Your preference may be to not use a tumbler, but times have changed, you cant sit in the med center and heal people and get 20 or 30k xp in an hour anymore, I just dont see that many wounded people in there.
Marzuk147
Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:13 am
#85

"Recently we had a newbie in our guild who wanted to master medic and maybe later doctor. Know what we did? I told the guild: today we'll make our meat harvesting tour unbuffed. Our new medic will heal you;"

If this option were open to me, I would take it. Finding this however could be a big challenge for the new player, or even one with an established PA half the time.
SakeO
Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:55 am
#86

The wayI see it, buffs are the problem and, possibly, the answer. Buffing has eliminated the amount of groups out there and nearly eliminated HAM use or damage. People in the field barely need heals because they are buffed so high and even entertainers are usually buffed so their is almost no damage to be healed out there. The buffs are also so high that NPCs die faster and inflict fewer wounds whichare less signifigant when they appear on a 4-5k bar making the expectation of medics finding wounds to heal lower.


If you want your wounds healed, the xp situation is partially to blame but, this does not excuse you from asking politely and offering payment. The prevalence of sologroups, grinding, and AFK zombies has seriously eroded the social element of this game. I am relatively social and rarely have a problem finding others willing to help me gather med xp (or any other need) on occasion. People do not want to be bothered to have to work with others and alot of people are using tumblers more because they are lazy than how little xp is out there.


Ultimately,I would like to see buffs reduced and AFK macros eliminated. This would help the situation alot but, in the meantime buffing a tumbler makes him a much less viable xp source. There is a way to fight it, if you want to travel down that road. May be an impolite form of anti-tumbler terrorism but, many of the same grinders randomly buff and heal wounds on strangers. Is it so different?


SakeO
siros_vazren
Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:38 pm
#87

One small, minor, side comment here. General thought for everyone to consider.

LOTS of people whine about tumblers and medics/docs who use them, granted. But how many people standing in the buff line ask the doc how they earned their exp or really care how the doc got there as long as they are buffing? NONE, NO ONE, ZIP, ZERO. Because people like to whine only when it is about something that hinders their self serving play-style.


*bows*

Thats all I wanted to say. Have fun now.....


hehe,


S.V.

Master Bio-Engineer/Master Doctor

Wanderhome

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nighter
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:49 am
#88


Ok, to master Doc I did use tumblers, I also never did that afk healing, I used a macro for healing on tumblers, but was watching for people who needed wound healing in the med center. I usually always heal someone's wound regardless as a master doc, and I don't ask for anything, but I think just shouting "Need Wounds Healed!!!", without asking plz or offering payment, is kinda rude, no wonder medics/doc's don't heal wounds that much, we are supose to heal you with you being rude, not saying thankyou,not tipping, just cause we get the xp, were doctors, not missionaries, I do heal people with wounds when Isee people with them, I have cash and stuff, so it's all good for me, but for a starting medic with harldy any cash trying to make his way, he is just suposed to heal you cause your spamming it, use his meds, which he paid for just because he can get xp out of it. Try being more polite about it, offer a small tip as insentive and I think it will go along way. I'm not trying to flame here or whatever, I just feel for the new medic trying to earn his keep healing, he can get more xp with a tumbler and the tumbler does not expect him to heal, the tumbler is just providing a service for xp, but that's just my take on it, yes we do need more non afk medics in med centers, there to help people heal up, but being kind to them wouldn't hurt, would it. But that's just my opinion.......I could be wrong...








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Marzuk147
Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:46 am
#89

"People do not want to be bothered to have to work with others and alot of people are using tumblers more because they are lazy than how little xp is out there."

The game has changed dramatically from how it was a few months ago. I enjoyed mastering doc a couple months after launch - there were plenty of people to heal. Now your alternative to tumbling is sit in an empty med center for a long time, chase people around with a droid to heal 30 wounds, or ninja buff them with crappy buff packs.

If I could have gone to a med center where there were plenty of wounds to be healed, be sure that many would simply heal wounds. Granted the multitude of people making a doc alt for self buffing would choose to afk tumble macro it.
SakeO
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:21 pm
#90

Actually, I meant we should spend time cultivating groups to fight, hunt and heal with. Socializing and reaping the benfits of it. It is not the fastest method, but it is playing the game.
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