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Thread: Do Not Support Doctors that overcharge for buffs!! (by a doctor)
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Woolybear
Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:30 am
#40
*Applauds AphroditeX*
Well done Aphroditex for raising the subject...even if you did get flamed. I just ran a thread on our ranger forum about people "overcharging" for meat and I got flamed. Tell you what I'll hunt for you and you can give me cheap buffs
The economy on swg is well screwed up. Money has no value really in this game. You can make it fast when your uber and loose it all when your starting a new profession. The holo forced people into grinding. In order to grind the combat skills people needed buffs to go out as a one man army and kill anything that walks crawls or flies. Solo mokks and you get 30K+ in no time..once you can. 3 hours of that and your back in the game financially again. But on top of the power playing, people are selling loot at high prices. Some even bouight credits on e bay...that is something I cannot comprehend.
Here you are talking of being forced to raise prices because of the value you see in the buff. Also knowing that some will make a fortune in 3 hours. Then you have to raise your prices because rangers might charge very high prices for their meat. They will tell you at the end of the day that that is how they value their skills. It's a catch 22 situation! You cant win! I suggested that we rangers should reconsider our prices...nobodywas interested...and it's the same here. The spiral will increase as the prices will. Die hards will rebel and not follow the trend as it will be over the top.
So at the end of the day we're back where we started. You docs cant really change it, neither can we the rangers. We must be free to do what we want..it's a game after all. However knowing how much I can harvest as master ranger in a given time and knowing the real cost of making a buff, I keep my prices at a reasonable level. Some weaponsmiths and docs when they buy from me respect that. Just like I do when I see a doc charging 10k for a buff. It's a question of choice , you do what you want..if you see an expensive buff and you have millions then go for it; my choice is that I will never get buffed by anyone "overcharging"
Peace
PoilDeCarotte
Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:08 am
#41
Greenbulb wrote:
I'll charge what ever i damn want. I'm not going to have other doctors Forceing me to keep with "the System"
If i charge extra then thats my choice and i practicly haved to because the buff packs are going up higher. So its not really my fault.
You're right andI, as a customer, I'll pay what ever I decide to pay.
I am not that kind of freaking-buff-looking-guy-or-I-will-die-in-1-sec.
It happened some times that I wanted to be buffed; the doctors I ran into asked a little bit too much in my opinion and so, I decided not to be buffed.
I completely agree with the fact that you can charge whatever you want.
But keep in mind that some customers decide not to exceed a certain amount
As for the thread starter, you cannot expect the economy to be socialy driven.
This is almost wilder than IRL, this is Capitalism with a big C. I have no problem with it, I mean in game.
It's simple: if I am not satisfied with prices, I continue to look for better ones. And so far, I could always find vendors that are on the same price-level than me. 
Long live the free world !!! (with some Imperials to keep it safe)
edit: in fact, AphroditeX, why do you ask this? you should turn this into your advantage
if you charge less than other Doctors, then you should have more customers... and if some of these customers want to pay more, it's their problem
you have the right to be cheaper, this is good... if all the doctors charge the same as you, then nobody will notice that you are cheaper
so, keep it like it is and some of your customers will remember that AphroditeX charges less than others good point for you
good point for youMessage Edited by PoilDeCarotte on 07-22-2004 02:43 PM
Vermicious_Knid
Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:15 am
#42
I was mostly kidding on that point. I know lots of people who love to craft, I just find it boring.
Probably a defense mechanism which stems from my insecurity to craft decent meds (some may remember my famous 120 point stim B's).
Chek wrote:
I gather all my own resources, including creature resources and though crafting can be a real drag, I've got a factory...so Verm, it's not that BAD.
Pasa
Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:33 pm
#43
We should charge what we personally believe our services are worth.
If someone thinks his 3000+ buffs that last for 4hrs are worth 5k, by god he should charge 5k for thm. If someone else thinks hisbuffs are overpirced, that's his right and he can move along.
Heck when I've recentlytried to sell a full set of janta buffs,2600 - 3200 3.5h+, which were relatively higher than anyone elses around me for 20k I was laughed at. At lest 10 pepole came to me and said rather profane things tome about howmy buffs were vastly overpriced from the guy a few feet tothe left of me and I simply said well please go tohim then. The funny thing is,base janta blood goes for 10k per onChilastra. That said, they didn't care.That's their right.Did I give a*edit*? Heck no.I knew they would sell eventually at that price, wheather someone thought I was overcharging for them or not was none of my concern. Yes, I was riping myself off to a degree to have a bit of fun, but they didn'tgive a*edit*. If someone was buffing for 15k next to me and my buffscosted 20k,I had to be overpriced Others knew the deal that they were getting andgladly paid. Overall it comes straight down to what you belive your services are worth. If one doctor wants to charge 500k for some godlylegendary janta blood buffs (Justan example, why would any sane personsell these??)that hit for 8k a start for 10hrs or something(which isproballyworthwhile for the price) no oneelse should give a damn. Ifanother person thinks his 2k+ buffs are worth that, well good luckto him
Others knew the deal that they were getting andgladly paid. Overall it comes straight down to what you belive your services are worth. If one doctor wants to charge 500k for some godlylegendary janta blood buffs (Justan example, why would any sane personsell these??)that hit for 8k a start for 10hrs or something(which isproballyworthwhile for the price) no oneelse should give a damn. Ifanother person thinks his 2k+ buffs are worth that, well good luckto him All in all, we should eachcharge what we want to and ignore the **edit** of our customers, as long as the price is within reason (aka. someoneshould help thepoor guy trying to get 500k for his 2k+ buffs). The entire gameis depadent upon us or at least close to it at the moment.We should should all do with that power what we think is fair and necessary, and not give a damn if someone tells us that we *edits*.
Just my 2 cents.
Benek Cript
Benek MDI
Master Carbineer/Master Doctor (Pending Bounty Hunter)
Combat Medics, no problem. Master Pistoleer/Rifleman/Bounty Hunter, no problem.
Melee professions, no problem. The fact that I am not supposed to die, slight problem.
_Trask
Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:27 am
#45
Its my right to charge whatever i feel my buff is worth.
Like a lot of people i could make hundreds of thousands of credits with just a single buff running Janta missions on dant. A 10k investment to earn upwards of a mil credits is WELL worth it. 20, 30, 40k is NOTHING compared to what can be earned in that 2.5-3 hour duration. Before i became a doctor i never once stood in a line that was more than 5 minutes long. Now while i buff the public I laugh at the people who stand in the 30 person line just because its 10k cheaper.
the way i see it, not only is a person paying for a buff, but they are paying for my services and my time. ill hapily charge 15k+ to people who want their buff right away, and there will always be someone running for my line. My time isnt worth 8k a set.
Like a lot of people i could make hundreds of thousands of credits with just a single buff running Janta missions on dant. A 10k investment to earn upwards of a mil credits is WELL worth it. 20, 30, 40k is NOTHING compared to what can be earned in that 2.5-3 hour duration. Before i became a doctor i never once stood in a line that was more than 5 minutes long. Now while i buff the public I laugh at the people who stand in the 30 person line just because its 10k cheaper.
the way i see it, not only is a person paying for a buff, but they are paying for my services and my time. ill hapily charge 15k+ to people who want their buff right away, and there will always be someone running for my line. My time isnt worth 8k a set.
Kabukkyn
Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:47 am
#46
I also think that a doctor should be able to charge what they want to charge. If other doctors are around that are charging less, some peeps will go to them. I personally charge 10-15k (depending on the buff stats). Recently I made a weaker buff set (about 2150 per 2.5 hours vs. 2500 per 3.25 hours) and charged donations. I usually got 10-20k. So, I think that the 7-8k per buff set is long gone. Most peeps think 15k is a fair price on my server (gorath).
I've been doing missions lately however. I might do the doctor duty and go and buff in Coronet or the Mining City but probably not until late in the week.
The point is...this is a free player driven economy. If your buffs are too high, no one will buy them from you
Kabukkyn
Master Doctor / Teras Kasi Master
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Master Doctor / Teras Kasi Master
My Shop at (-3083 2723)
2300m SE of Theed, Naboo
Formerly of xoxoxo Guild (Extinct) -- Gorath
Dragonian
Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:02 am
#48
Ummm, this isn't government health care folks. Doctors can, and should, charge what the market will reasonably bear.
As a former Armorsmith, since it's being compared, my prices were always based on market forces. If I couldn't keep my vendor stocked, then I raised prices. Luckily I was smart enough to do some research first so my prices were pretty much spot on right out of the gate.
Docs have had it kinda tough because few recognized the value of your services at first. Armor was a no brainer but, buffs weren't well understood. So Docs have been undercharging work up the demand.
Well nowadays, buffs are in high demand just about everywhere. In fact, I dare say the demand outstrips the supply. Having to wait 30min for a buff is insane. How is that to be fixed? Most Doc's don't buff the public becase they don't feel it pays enough and they don't care to deal with the immature players.
All this tells me that the prices are too low and need to go up. 20k for a buff is pocket change to a combat vet. But 20k would double the Doctors revenue and might attract others to buff the public as well. This would mean shorter lines. This would mean less waiting and less aggitation among players and more civility while getting buffs.
Conversly, try charging less for buffs and tell me the opposite doesn't happen? Fewer Doctors. Longer lines. More waiting and aggitation and even less civility.
Sounds wierd, I know, but that is human nature. I can't explain why it works, I just know that it does.
Give something to someone for free (or next to nothing) and they will take it for granted and eventualy expect it as their right. Yet charge them what the market will bear and they will appreciate it and value it more and thank you for the service/product you provide.
As a former Armorsmith, since it's being compared, my prices were always based on market forces. If I couldn't keep my vendor stocked, then I raised prices. Luckily I was smart enough to do some research first so my prices were pretty much spot on right out of the gate.
Docs have had it kinda tough because few recognized the value of your services at first. Armor was a no brainer but, buffs weren't well understood. So Docs have been undercharging work up the demand.
Well nowadays, buffs are in high demand just about everywhere. In fact, I dare say the demand outstrips the supply. Having to wait 30min for a buff is insane. How is that to be fixed? Most Doc's don't buff the public becase they don't feel it pays enough and they don't care to deal with the immature players.
All this tells me that the prices are too low and need to go up. 20k for a buff is pocket change to a combat vet. But 20k would double the Doctors revenue and might attract others to buff the public as well. This would mean shorter lines. This would mean less waiting and less aggitation among players and more civility while getting buffs.
Conversly, try charging less for buffs and tell me the opposite doesn't happen? Fewer Doctors. Longer lines. More waiting and aggitation and even less civility.
Sounds wierd, I know, but that is human nature. I can't explain why it works, I just know that it does.
Give something to someone for free (or next to nothing) and they will take it for granted and eventualy expect it as their right. Yet charge them what the market will bear and they will appreciate it and value it more and thank you for the service/product you provide.
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