Doctor Archive

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Eeliva wrote:

As a Doc, I think these changes are rather unwelcome. There are so many other things that are busted, I think fixingTHEM should have been a priority. Personally, I won't be following a combat group around like a lap dog waiting to be thrown a bone. It won't pay squat.

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AuzekSaph wrote:

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PsionicHawk wrote:
Doomsday threads bore me.

There will be a point to getting doctor, however the point will not be making characters at least five times more powerful.

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Then get used to it.
Don't complain and say your bored listening to us tell you we don't like the massive nerf to us.
Otherwise you are not our coresponded but our enimy.

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1)Stop being an ass
2)You have no idea if this will be a nerf or not, untill you play it. The main thing changed is the Doctor's role.
3)You're an enemy of reason

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TarMangani wrote:

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KardenTyrell wrote:

Then get used to it.
Don't complain and say your bored listening to us tell you we don't like the massive nerf to us.
Otherwise you are not our coresponded but our enimy.

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1)Stop being an ass
2)You have no idea if this will be a nerf or not, untill you play it. The main thing changed is the Doctor's role.
3)You're an enemy of reason

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Not that I'm defending the first guy with everything he said, but please tell me, since crafting is being taken from us, and the healing side of our profession is becoming the ONLY side, how is this not a nerf?

We don't have to play the system in order to realize we're being stripped by at least 1/3 of our current skillset.

It's a nerf man...

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it is also an appeal to the traditional MMOG healer base.

Healers and crafters are generally 2 personality types. With the CU, the game is gonna need a lot more healers. The crafting gated the profession fro mthe peopel that would normally play healers. I' ma traditional Healer type.. hell I like crafting in general in games, but I hated Doc crafting.. Way too much of it.. way too mant materials (CM is way worse though too many rares).

Did they need to take it all out? IMO, no. But they needed to lessen it a lot. If they didn't there would not be enough healer types for the new combat system to work.

Something to remember, the current Docs are the survivors of 2 years of broken game. You are the people that liked what was here. Everyone else left. There are not enough of you to pay the bills at SOE, they need to broaden their audience base. You all are a subset of a subset (people that both like [or can stand] massive amounts of crafting and healing). The argument has been made that the Starport buffers are a third group, the set of people that like Crafting and selling (merchant types) and not healers at all (at least some segment of the population). I'm not sure how widespread it is.

That's the sticking point.

What audience type are you?

Far more healer types in MMOGS are non-crafters, good or bad... and that's the way they decided to go.
-T

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Traigus wrote:



it is also an appeal to the traditional MMOG healer base.

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Last Time I looked Docs counted as a combat profession. I would assume the devs would continue to consider them such. Docs have always been a combat profession in SWG. People just haven't been playing them that way recently.

-T

I think we can all agree that there will be a period of adjustment for the Docs, with varied amounts depending on your play style. I think that some points people are making are definately valid, but I still don't think we can cry "nerf" until we have more facts.

For the players who have been more focused on the combat-healing aspect of the profession, the adjustment period will be minimal, and they will likely see more of the beneficial changes to the profession.

Those who focus more on crafting, I can understand the problems that the reorganization of crafting poses. I too enjoy the crafting aspect of Doc, but I am willing to adjust my template if necessary to keep crafting for myself. But seriously, we do not know what changes are going to be made to the medic portion of our skills, we do not know what is happening with the pre-requisite skills (i.e. same as before, or maybe reduced amount of SP required for novice doc?), we do not know what is going to be medic-crafted vs. BE-crafted, we do not know a large amount of data. Until we can get that, nerf-calling and getting upset will be totally counterproductive. Patience for the next few weeks, until we get more detailed information regarding changes to our profession, will pay off in the long run. Having a hostile attitude will get nothing accomplished for us as a whole.

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SantosL wrote:
I think we can all agree that there will be a period of adjustment for the Docs, with varied amounts depending on your play style. I think that some points people are making are definately valid, but I still don't think we can cry "nerf" until we have more facts.

For the players who have been more focused on the combat-healing aspect of the profession, the adjustment period will be minimal, and they will likely see more of the beneficial changes to the profession.

Those who focus more on crafting, I can understand the problems that the reorganization of crafting poses. I too enjoy the crafting aspect of Doc, but I am willing to adjust my template if necessary to keep crafting for myself. But seriously, we do not know what changes are going to be made to the medic portion of our skills, we do not know what is happening with the pre-requisite skills (i.e. same as before, or maybe reduced amount of SP required for novice doc?), we do not know what is going to be medic-crafted vs. BE-crafted, we do not know a large amount of data. Until we can get that, nerf-calling and getting upset will be totally counterproductive. Patience for the next few weeks, until we get more detailed information regarding changes to our profession, will pay off in the long run. Having a hostile attitude will get nothing accomplished for us as a whole.

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I can see where a lot of the changes are good... but like the originator of this thread, I've worked my ass off to get where I am as a crafting doctor... and I've been doing it since close to day 1.

I have over a billions credits of my net worth tied up in my crafting resources: 2 mil units of 150cpu avian meat, 4 million units of herbivore I bought for 40-60cpu, 2 million units of class 4 liquid petrochem, 4 million units of lokian wild wheat and tat fiberplast, etc,, etc, ad nauseam.

I've done all this to make sure that I'd be a dependable source of meds for my community, and able to provide jobs for dozens upon dozens of hunters on my server, and, yes, it does seem as if those like me may be left out to dry.

I've taken every credit I've made in this game and reinvested it, and watched my business grow... and now my entire business network threatens to come crashing down at this new CU.

I don't mind changes... change is good... even if it is hard to adjust. But is this really fair to those like me?

My doc falls into the category of crafter/healer. I support a reasonable sized guild. As the 12-pt doc, I craft the guild's stims and meds, buff the guild when needed, and join the DWB hunts as a doc for healing. I don't sit in Spamonet or Greed and buff for cash. I don't sell the massive amounts of resources the guild and I have collected. I've been a doc since before mounts were introduced. I have about 200K in my bank account.

Yes, I did a lot more healing "back in the day", but that was due more to having many more group hunts. There wasn't an FS grind for everybody to spend every waking hour on. Buffs were "interesting" to say the least with the random increases and no overbuffing. But the part I really like about Doc has always been the crafting. Last month I finally got my 12 points. Now I get to do it for maybe 2 months. Makes me sad.

As for doc being a combat prof, well, with 2 full profs to master as a doc, it really doesn't leave much room for an elite combat prof. Many docs are melee because that was the "cheap" route in terms of skill pts. You only needed one brawler tree to get to the elite. Which means they either fight or heal. Melee fighting builds that BF up FAST! I remember being on a DWB hunt. We were supposed to have 2 docs, so I figured we were OK. Trouble was, the other doc was a TKM, and kept hammering SBDs. Didn't take long for him to have high enough BF to leave me as the only effective doc. And with only a 6m range, keeping up with a 20-person group ain't easy.

But for docs, choosing a combat prof always left a big choice to make: Novice Scout + Hunting I to gather the meats, or Novice Artisan + Surveying I to gather the other stuf we needed. Docs were always dependent, to a large extent, on other people. Hence, the need to buff for cash. Uber Avian ain't cheap! I'm fortunate to be in a great guild. When something decent spawns, everybody goes out and gets it for me. In exchange, I make their meds and am almost always on call when they need buffs or healing.

So on one hand, I'm really sad to lose the crafting part of doc and really hope they reconsider. On the other hand, though, I won't have to worry about resource gathering. Now, if they'd just let everybody harvest creatures at some minimal level, like they're doing with the new self-stims, I'll consider the CU a success. Otherwise, my doc will have the same old problem and I might change him to something else (BE or CM).