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Thread: Greed? whats that?

purplebooks
Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:30 am
#40






Greenbulb wrote:


Ohh no i know the topic,its just that i've been telling people like you over and over and over and over (+100) as for you being a doctor then i'm sorry that you donot understand a word any of your fellow doctors are talking about. I'm not new to being a doctor i've been one half a year at least. you asked me to tellyou where you were insulting at and you got your answer. i did not like how rude you were to a person so i answerd it. And you donot haved to put snide Remarks that nobody is giveing a good answer because they are idiots. i know where your Remarks come from and i consiter you ignorant to fellow doctors thats only trying to make a liveing. And I'm trying to point out in this thred that not every doctor is greedy just because they go with the system. some good points were pointed out and i will admire some peoples answers. If doctors are rich so be it,but i never knew a master doctor that had 50 million or a billion. and them people are admired not picked over on.








Ok I finally am confused.. you've finally lost me Greenbulb.. where the %$*# is your logic flowing? I made snide remarks? Sure but yours were ok right? Im not so sure you know where my remarks come from either since you were'nt able to answer most of them...


I didnt once bash Doctors as you claim I said they charged too much.. Its a vicious cycle. Doctors charge more.. prices of supplies go up... it's obvious that this has been the case look at the last 3 months of prices. If you wish to consider me ignorant because I wish to go against the system instead of bow down like you have and just go with it.. ok.. I can accept this. But the preception is that Doctors are greedy and rich which for the most part is what they self-advertise, how true it is Im not sure and I dont care for that matter for theperception is all that matters in this instance.


PS.. you say you've never known a Master Doctor with 50 million or more... you have now..




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Dejik
Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:35 am
#41

Well purple, congratulations on doing some reading into history...unfortunately you're not looking at the right books. Since you seem to be the type of person that isn't very open-minded and any/all types of arguments will do no good on you, I'm not even gonna waste any effort.


The main thing people are telling you here is basically expressing your opinion is fine, these doc boards are FILLED with controversy...but the way you do it is just plain belittling. You say it with the assumption that you're already correct, and that we're (of course) wrong. I've had an argument with a master doctor that thought I should be selling my 2540+ buffs (this buff had never been hit in commercial buffing on scylla to my knowledge) at 8k a pop. Beyond the fact that I was wondering what he was smoking, he was also running around shouting that everyone should only pay a max of 8k per buff, it only costs 300 creds per buff, etc etc. Beyond the fact that this was totally untrue in my given circumstance, and that he was attempting to run off my business, I got kinda mad with him and started debating the issue with him. Before I knew it we were havivg a really stimulating debate about the subject, each considering new sides of the others' argument, and I actually wouldn't mind debating it with him again (can't remember his name though...)


But my point here is that there IS a way to argue your point without attempting to piss people off with your supreriority complex, give it a shot then try coming back to post so that people would listen to you instead of ignoring you and just plain getting pissed off at you.


P.S.- Check all of this post...I don't think one person agrees with you here, nor likes the way you come across, so think about it.



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Caynnor
Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:55 am
#42

I guess you know best how everyone should roleplay Purple. It is funny, I haven't seen the rule that required RP, I thought I could just play the game the way the way I wanted to and have fun. Maybe if you are so concerned with the ethics of doctors, you should go back to school and become one, but considering RL has nothing to do with SWG it still wouldn't bolster your arguements. I took doctor to combat CMs in pvp, I buff once or twice a week in publicto pay for buffs I give guildies, i don't like doing it because although most people are fairly nice, you run into some real idiots every time. These are probably the people who are complaining about buff prices.



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Caynnor
Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:30 am
#43






purplebooks wrote:


Also the next time you think that RL has nothing to do with SWG think again it has everything to do with it.. your ideas... attitude... this all translates to the way your toon is going to act remember. Hence the saying "You can tell alot about a person in the first30 seconds"...






So I guess the attitudes of killing people came in from RL, everyone is a murderer and thug in RL because thats what they do in the game. People who compare the game to RL will always be disapointed.


If people don't like the price of buffs what they do is hire a tumbler and grind out doctor and buff themselves, or better yet they could protest the doc prices by boycotting, I'm sure a boycott would go over big, after all you don't need buffs to pvp if others have them.





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gibsonSG
Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:50 am
#44

I just wanted to put my 2 cents in about some posters saying that players must have buffs to play the game. Now I know the Corvette etc shouldnt be tried solo,but when grinding fencer I could take a sharnaff lair solo and unbuffed, I did it very carefully, got incapped a lot but it was fun .Rather than knowing I can throw all the specials I like and it won't damage me at all, I learnt a hell of a lot about playing the game, same as grinding doc by healing in missions and not healing tumblers. If you are going to try the corvette 20k for a buffwould seem a cheap price to what you can benefit from the mission. To those who say they can't run janta missions unbuffed, get some more skills theres nothing wrong with not having fanshot or scatterhit2 on their template yet.

As for pricing resources,I'dsell 200cpu for avianif I knew I could get away with it, well , maybe not but, I can appreciate the scout's point of view because he knows he'll get it. Personally I think public buffs are too cheap for the hassle a doc/crafter has to go through. If you buy the buffs then thats fair enough so I know this plan won't work (shall we lobby buff vendors to double the prices?). The travel/grief to/from my factories, maintenance for factories and harvestors, surveying and juggling skill points, searchingand buying items such asbivoli and the costs of droids/BE clothing ( lets not get started on the price of doc aprons) not to mention the prices we have to pay for resources that can be sky high even when the spawn is a week old. I went away for a week or 2 and missed a reactive gas in shift. How can a resource go for 150cpu in a few days? I know, I know Adam Smith / laissez faire/free trade but whats the answer ?

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gibsonSG
Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:54 am
#45

Just thought I'd explain myself a bit more,I buff myself and a few friends butI heal "everyone", I buff if you are polite and I won't charge if I'm in a good mood, I make cash from loots and missions have never made money from doc but wouldn't give the proff up if avian went up to 6milcpu



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Happymob
Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:15 am
#46

In my opinion, the buff economy is one of the few things that really works. A few assumptions (numbers are approximate):


  • Good buffs sell to the end user (combat character) for 12K a set or 2K for a single stat buff

  • Good buff packs retail for 120K a set (20K for a single pack) and have around 30 charges or 700 a a single stat

  • Bivoli costs around 200 per stat buffed (usually less if you have an efficient line)

  • Avian meat costs 200 cpu

  • Herbivore meat costs 50 cpu

  • Minable resources cost 5 cpu to buy retail (in shift price - obviously if you buy out of shift on the secondary market, it's much higher for quality resources)

  • Minable resource cost 0.5 cpu to mine

Since an ehance D uses 28 avian, 32 herbivore, and 172 other resources, the actual profit breakdown of a 30 charge buff pack is something like this:



  • System - 86 credits (harvester maintenance)

  • Miner - 774 credits

  • Scout/Ranger- 7200 credits

  • Crafting doctor - 11940 credits

  • Buffing doctor - 40000 credits

  • Chef/BE - 6000 credits (I have no idea what percentage of chef profits really go to the BE and therefore the hunter since they require meat too)

Prices obviously vary server to server, which will shift where the money ends up. This also doesn't account for crafting overhead, like resources to create schematics or factory costs. It still gets the idea across.


This looks pretty fair to me when you consider time commitment each person has to deal with (the buffing doctor has the most time commitment and deals with the biggest hassles). The money is nicely spread out throughout the tree.




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MyT_Chicken
Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:07 am
#47

Sorry to burst your bubble Purple



Frankly it doesn't matter what anyone says, buff prices will continue to go higher regardless what the price of resources are. Its all about Supply and Demand.


You are going to lose this fight. I've been a doctor since basically Launch day, and as time goes on prices for EVERYTHING!!!!!!! go up. It doesn't matter what you think you knowabout economics; it doesn't mean jack. SUPPLY a service for a DEMAND is what this game is all about.


I absolutely HATE buffing the public, and I will walk around coronet all day with my MD title on just to tell people to Leave me alone. I earned my title after 2 months of leveling, and you know what?? Just because I have my MD title on DOES NOT MEAN that I'm buffing. And if I'm sitting down with my droid out? Guess what you can still take your request and find another Doctor to get buffs from. Oh and I just love it when people form a line around be because I will just sit there for 30 minutes laughing at people while I play XBox waiting for my group to get formed up. Why? Because my time is worth more then my buffs. I charge 50k for buffs and I still have costomers. WHY? Because people want the best stuff they can get.


Don't like my prices when you send me a tell. To damn bad, because I charge for my time, NOT my buffs.


Oh and your little BS about doctor's being servents....yeah you can take that crap and turn the other way. When players learn to respect what I do for them, Then MAYBE I will "serve" the community again. Since the servers are filled with little 2 year old whining cry babies, I don't see that happening at all.


Blah Blah Blah.....Blah Blah Blah....What a stupid topic I can't believe I just spent 5 minutes even replying to this CRAP.




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Sevardos
Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:17 am
#48






Happymob wrote:

In my opinion, the buff economy is one of the few things that really works. A few assumptions (numbers are approximate):


  • Good buffs sell to the end user (combat character) for 12K a set or 2K for a single stat buff

  • Good buff packs retail for 120K a set (20K for a single pack) and have around 30 charges or 700 a a single stat

  • Bivoli costs around 200 per stat buffed (usually less if you have an efficient line)

  • Avian meat costs 200 cpu

  • Herbivore meat costs 50 cpu

  • Minable resources cost 5 cpu to buy retail (in shift price - obviously if you buy out of shift on the secondary market, it's much higher for quality resources)

  • Minable resource cost 0.5 cpu to mine

Since an ehance D uses 28 avian, 32 herbivore, and 172 other resources, the actual profit breakdown of a 30 charge buff pack is something like this:



  • System - 86 credits (harvester maintenance)

  • Miner - 774 credits

  • Scout/Ranger- 7200 credits

  • Crafting doctor - 11940 credits

  • Buffing doctor - 40000 credits

  • Chef/BE - 6000 credits (I have no idea what percentage of chef profits really go to the BE and therefore the hunter since they require meat too)

Prices obviously vary server to server, which will shift where the money ends up. This also doesn't account for crafting overhead, like resources to create schematics or factory costs. It still gets the idea across.


This looks pretty fair to me when you consider time commitment each person has to deal with (the buffing doctor has the most time commitment and deals with the biggest hassles). The money is nicely spread out throughout the tree.








Shhhhh!!!


Sheesh - don't confuse things with logic.





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Lamech
Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:26 pm
#49

I just think I deserve a little respect from those whom want help from me. That to much to ask? Treating me as a servant isn't going to help.


And old style Doc's I like that. Come to me for a heal I'll try that 'Nurse, pass me that saw would you'


(I am old school btw my first elite prof mastered, I stuck it out in the med centres hour after hour and did it because I enjoyed it)
gibsonSG
Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:39 pm
#50



Egri wrote :







I absolutely HATE buffing the public, and I will walk around coronet all day with my MD title on just to tell people to Leave me alone. I earned my title after 2 months of leveling, and you know what?? Just because I have my MD title on DOES NOT MEAN that I'm buffing. And if I'm sitting down with my droid out? Guess what you can still take your request and find another Doctor to get buffs from. Oh and I just love it when people form a line around be because I will just sit there for 30 minutes laughing at people while I play XBox waiting for my group to get formed up. Why? Because my time is worth more then my buffs. I charge 50k for buffs and I still have costomers. WHY? Because people want the best stuff they can get.







/applause


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Dejik
Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:13 am
#51

"Don't like my prices when you send me a tell. To damn bad, because I charge for my time, NOT my buffs."

/applaud



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