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Thread: Who needs a DOC when you have a Jedi and Stim D's?
Eskie wrote:
Sayic wrote:
Eskie wrote:
ROTFLMAO
Nice try - read your last 50 posts and read my last 50 posts. I just dont give advice to people flaming other people left and right.
I also would appreciate it if you finally stopped trolling my posts. It gets old.
I dont care if you would appreciate it. If you dont like it, dont mess with the bull.
Ok Sayic, I responded to the PM you sent me. Either stop trolling my posts and making negative comments about me, or I will not discuss it with you again but leave it to the moderators. In your above statement you pretty much admitted you are flaming, you intend to be flaming, and according to your signature you are proud you already got banned for it.
Consider this as an option to stop the flamewar and just stop trolling my posts.
As I already wrote in my PM, the forums are not the place to roleplay a jerk - you can roleplay in game as much as you want, but here in the forums you are not dealing with Eskona anymore, you are dealing with Eskie.
The line between roleplaying a bad guy and actually insulting other people is pretty thin, and by trolling my posts and making negative comments you are stretching the word "roleplaying" by far too much.
Ok, I read your PM. I will cease fire as long as you take your own advice. That means I believe you are full of it, and you will have to do the same to expect this exchange to cease.
Because I am willing to turn over your flaming and trolling my posts to the moderators as well. We both stop, or we take this to it's logical conclusion.
And I am proud of my CU protest bans......dont put words in my mouth, I wont do it to you either.
I think we can agree that we just dont see eye to eye. You like to teach. You have nothing to teach me. I do not need or want your advice. I find it dead wrong. You find me dead wrong.
And that is where we stand.
So lets stop trying to be badder than one another and just leave each other alone....that means no more threats. You wont get any from, I expect the same.
End of discussion.
Sayic wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Sayic wrote:
Eskie wrote:
ROTFLMAO
Nice try - read your last 50 posts and read my last 50 posts. I just dont give advice to people flaming other people left and right.
I also would appreciate it if you finally stopped trolling my posts. It gets old.
I dont care if you would appreciate it. If you dont like it, dont mess with the bull.
Ok Sayic, I responded to the PM you sent me. Either stop trolling my posts and making negative comments about me, or I will not discuss it with you again but leave it to the moderators. In your above statement you pretty much admitted you are flaming, you intend to be flaming, and according to your signature you are proud you already got banned for it.
Consider this as an option to stop the flamewar and just stop trolling my posts.
As I already wrote in my PM, the forums are not the place to roleplay a jerk - you can roleplay in game as much as you want, but here in the forums you are not dealing with Eskona anymore, you are dealing with Eskie.
The line between roleplaying a bad guy and actually insulting other people is pretty thin, and by trolling my posts and making negative comments you are stretching the word "roleplaying" by far too much.
Ok, I read your PM. I will cease fire as long as you take your own advice. That means I believe you are full of it, and you will have to do the same to expect this exchange to cease.Because I am willing to turn over your flaming and trolling my posts to the moderators as well. We both stop, or we take this to it's logical conclusion.
And I am proud of my CU protest bans......dont put words in my mouth, I wont do it to you either.
I think we can agree that we just dont see eye to eye. You like to teach. You have nothing to teach me. I do not need or want your advice. I find it dead wrong. You find me dead wrong.
And that is where we stand.
So lets stop trying to be badder than one another and just leave each other alone....that means no more threats. You wont get any from, I expect the same.
End of discussion.
I just responded to you taking the issue out of the original thread and making negative comments about me in other, totally unrelated threads. So stop that and I wont make any posts in response either. I am not giving any advice, I just asked you not to flame people coming to the doc boards expressing they feel we got nerfed big time and saying thanks for providing services in the past.
blacke wrote:
Why, ohh why should jedi heal better then docs? They use the force to heal, we use bacta, there's a big difference there. We are trained in the medical arts, they are trained in the wielding of the force.
I must admit that my knowledge of the SW universe is limited to the movies, but If someone could find a reference in EU to someone using the force to heal someone else, I will bow to that. But I find that very unlikely, since it would basicly be the same as using the force to veld to pieces of metal together.
Healing themself, possebly. Healing others, unlikely.
In the Jedi Academy books trilogy a jedi heals Mon Mothma.
Anyway, I think that the Doctor profession has become pretty unuseful, as much as Squad Leader (which was my main role). It's not that they don't have bonuses (Squad Leader still have them too), it's just that they're not really necessary because other professions can do the same. They don't have anything "special", not even rez.
Also, not many jedi have the rez ability, and in yesterday night's PvP, I died about five times but I could keep on fighting because two docs dragged me out, rez me and healed me (with aid of the jedi). The jedi are just very powerful (as they have to be) and it's not only that they're the best docs, but they're the best tanks, the best everything.
Caelrie wrote:
Loviza wrote:
Name one "cool toy".
Rez
On top of that you get buffs, innoculations (need to be adjusted, I know), battle armor certs, ranged def, melee def, drag player, area effect poison/disease cures... Those are all thingsForce Healingdoesn't get and they're all VERY useful to both the doctor and a group.
Message Edited by Caelrie on 05-16-2005 02:15 AM
Oh please come on, you saying a group of 7 people should fill the last spot with a doctor instead of a healing jedi because of the "cool toys"?
Lets break it down:
#1. I totally agree with you that Rez is a great "toy", now remember this is a master doc skill and a jedi can wear both a ring, cyberarm and can rez himself by force if Im not mistaken. If I need to rez more then 3 people in a group we are most like to end up in the cloner anyway. Still I have to give you that, rez is good.
#2. Buffs, omg, its been thrown in the trashbin, use crystals, food, spices for better effect. Dont try thisat home kids.
#3. Innoculations? Im bad with the new terminology, can only think about the heal over time thingie. Exellent skill considering a doctor is now a poor healer, I would choose a higher heal instead anyday. I used it only becausemy heals sucks.
#4. Armors and defences. Please come on, jedis can take a lotmore pounding.
#5. Isn't Drag incapacitated a medic skill? Well doctors USED to have a need to drag a player, these days they have a need to drag themself away from aggro.
#6. When it comes to state removing it is a useless thing now Ive noticed. Most people can remove them on their own exeptpoison, disease and fire what I take it? Now these states are now as rare as icecubes in Sahara. Hardly the definition of a "cool toy".
CONCLUSION: Jedi does not only become a better healing support, but can also deal good damage with his lightsabers. Im sure a lot of jedis would disagree with me and say they got badly nerfed, but we are only comparing the useage of a docand a healing jedi in this example. What ive seen so far of the doctor profession there is only two skills that I see worth getting, Rez and woundhealing. One a master skill and the other a novice skill. What happened to everything in between?
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
Actually... now they don't need those anymore, since exp loss on cloning has been removed and PvE death penalties are gone.
And it's possible for specific Jedi templates to Rezz themselves.
Velzhaed wrote:
TarMangani wrote:
In one of the books one of the fish chicks, (Mon Cal) who was at Luke's academy cures Mon Mothma (I think, it's been a while), of poison. All the doctors and healing arts were stumped, but she used the force to purge the poison from her system...
The force surrounds us, and binds all living things. Someone with mastery over such a phemomenon should be better at healing and other things than an ordinary practitioner of said arts.
That's why Jedi are better fighters than swordsman, etc...
Oh that makes sense. So let's just make Jedi better than everyone at anything. Anakin was the best pilot, so Jedi should be the greatest pilots EVER.
Well considering jedi reflexes to pod racing, I'd be hard pressed to see how force skills wouldn't make them better pilots...
There was a Jedi healer in a book, so Jedi should be the best docs EVER.
Not better docs, but yeah, better healers. but it should be in balance likesomeone else said in that it should takelonger to cure certain ailments, etc.
Aurra Sing, an ex-Jedi, was one of the best bounty hunters, sothey should be the best bounty hunters EVER. Yoda was such a great swordsman, so they should be the best fencers EVER.
Are you serious? Of course they should be great with a lightsaber. It has nothing to do with fencer however, as they use swords make of light, not steel.
As for the rest of your comments, I'd have to agree with you that it's a stretch to make them better at everything, however when one considers the sheer volume of grinding necessary to get the force boxes, shouldn't there be some advantage?
Ciao wrote:
Nobody!
Sorry, but you know its true. DOC is nothing but a finishing piece to a template and thats it.
Well I told all the Jedi in our Guild that I will keep MD post CU - just to help them and because of all the respec BHs. LMAO. Ongroup hunts the Jedi domost ofthe healing - I just can't keep up with their healing power or speed. The Jedi (and the rest of the guild) no longer have any need of my puny healing skills, when the hunting group gets to 8 it's the doc gets bumped to let another proper fighter in.
Esrina wrote:
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
Actually... now they don't need those anymore, since exp loss on cloning has been removed and PvE death penalties are gone.
And it's possible for specific Jedi templates to Rezz themselves.
Does this include cloning after a BH death? Or just PvE?
Loviza wrote:
Oh please come on, you saying a group of 7 people should fill the last spot with a doctor instead of a healing jedi because of the "cool toys"?
Depends on what you need, doesn't it? If you need healing, pick the Jedi. If you need a dragging rezzer/buffer, grab the doctor.
#2. Buffs, omg, its been thrown in the trashbin, use crystals, food, spices for better effect. Dont try thisat home kids.
And yet people still seek them out. So what if they're not as powerful as they were pre-CU. They're still useful and worth having.
#4. Armors and defences. Please come on, jedis can take a lotmore pounding.
Tell me you didn't go there. A doctor with TKM or BH or whatever can take one hell of a beating, so I don't know why you're complaining. Oh wait, do I hear you saying that that's not fair because the doctor needs another profession besides doctor to take that beating? Oh, so does the Jedi. The Jedi Healer gets no defense at all, making it necessary to take another Jedi profession to get the defense. So there ya go.
#5. Isn't Drag incapacitated a medic skill? Well doctors USED to have a need to drag a player, these days they have a need to drag themself away from aggro.
It's a skill the medical professions have that Jedi don't, and it's hella useful in the GCW. Try it.
#6. When it comes to state removing it is a useless thing now Ive noticed. Most people can remove them on their own exeptpoison, disease and fire what I take it? Now these states are now as rare as icecubes in Sahara. Hardly the definition of a "cool toy".
Tell that to someone dying of poison and fire.
CONCLUSION: Jedi does not only become a better healing support, but can also deal good damage with his lightsabers. Im sure a lot of jedis would disagree with me and say they got badly nerfed, but we are only comparing the useage of a docand a healing jedi in this example. What ive seen so far of the doctor profession there is only two skills that I see worth getting, Rez and woundhealing. One a master skill and the other a novice skill. What happened to everything in between?
A doctor with a rifle deals far more damage than a Jedi with a lightsaber. And you're being blatantly dishonest, which is annoying as hell. You say we're only comparing doctor and force healing, and then you talk about defender, lightsaber and all the other jedi professions.
Pick an argument and stick with it. Either you're talking about a full template doctor vs a Jedi or you're talking about Master Doctor vs Master Force Healer. You keep wanting it both ways and that doesn't fly.
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
Esrina wrote:
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
Actually... now they don't need those anymore, since exp loss on cloning has been removed and PvE death penalties are gone.
And it's possible for specific Jedi templates to Rezz themselves.
Does this include cloning after a BH death? Or just PvE?
I don't know, it just says Cloning Exp loss is removed. You still lose Exp for dying to a BH. Check the announcements forum.
Correct we do not lose exp cloning after a BH death. Just the exp from the BH's DB now. As for heals and such, I get more requests for healing wounds than the Doc standing right next to me with his Master Doc title up. I used to be a Doc, Loved it. The devs are making Doc a less needed profession IMO.
Ciao wrote:
Nobody!
Sorry, but you know its true. DOC is nothing but a finishing piece to a template and thats it.
Oddly enough, at character creation time, I didn't get to choose Jedi, nor did I get to choose Doctor.
If you consider Jedi as the next step up from Doctor, as Doctor is the next step up from Medic, I don't see the problem.
Perhaps the answer to your question IS "Nobody". However, my question to you would be, "What's your point?"