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Thread: Doctors unite: Buff Price...
Obata
Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:49 am
#27
Having a set value for a price (even if just a min or max) is still price fixing. Let the market determine the value of your buffs.Why are so many people afraid of competition? If you don't think you're charging enough, then raise your prices.
Legende
Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:31 am
#28
NomAnor1987 wrote:
not price fixing... just a minimum price for public(you can buff friends free)...
First, just so you know, this is the most misinformed statement I've ever seen... no offense, but it really is.
Anyways, I see that the economy of buffing with packs made vs. packs bought has already been discussed, so I won't bore you with the 2 page post I have written in the past about that. Public buffing with bought packs is a waste of time... no matter how much you charge, short of 25+k, you aren't going to be making crap next to selling crafted meds or running solo-group missions [tho this is being nerfed soon]. Resource collection might take a little time to do, but the time put into collecting the resources compared to the amount of meds you could create is remarkably small. And hopefully after CB there will be a raise in demand for stims and other various meds.
Lastly, you aren't the first to propose this, and I'm sure you won't be the last... long story short: it won't happen. No offense to yourself, you have a noble cause, but I won't conform to any set price [even tho I very VERY rarely buff] b/c you buy your packs and I make mine. I will always buff under the normal price. But hey, at least I don't do it when there is another doc buffing, just to steal his/her line... that's just low.
EDIT: Political correctness...
Message Edited by Legende on 11-15-2004 02:33 AM
NomAnor1987
Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:53 am
#29
The term price fixing indicates that you fix the price on a set value... this is not what i had in mind... i just wanted a discussion(sorry i didn't read the forums, so i didn't know it had been discussed that thoroughly) about a possible minimum price... since you can charge everything above that, it cannot be defined as price fixing... from 12k to unlimited is a price frame, not a price fix... and just ignore this post from now on, since it has been discussed enough.......
Legende
Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:13 am
#30
"Noun 1. price-fixing - control (by agreement among producers or by government) of the price of a commodity"
Control doesn't mean it has to be one set price, enforcing a minimum is controlling it all the same.
And there is no reason to be sorry... it's actually been awhile since someone brought it up. Like I said, you have good intentions, but the problem is that you are asking others, such as myself, to change the way they do buisness b/c you and others aren't making enough profit to make it worth your time. If you took any offense to my first post, I apologize... there was none intended... was just layin' it out for ya how it is, no sugar coating.
Control doesn't mean it has to be one set price, enforcing a minimum is controlling it all the same.
And there is no reason to be sorry... it's actually been awhile since someone brought it up. Like I said, you have good intentions, but the problem is that you are asking others, such as myself, to change the way they do buisness b/c you and others aren't making enough profit to make it worth your time. If you took any offense to my first post, I apologize... there was none intended... was just layin' it out for ya how it is, no sugar coating.
Gotick
Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:31 am
#31
nah...no such thing as a set price ...poeple with weak buffs want a global server set price
and once that set price gets boring..poeple will ask for 17k per buff session ... nah no thanks n00b
i get patted on the back for charging 12k for awesome buffs..thats a sad statment..i used to charge 10k ..newbs are charging 15k ..cant waite till buffs get nerfed... newbs asking for 15k for400 strength buffs
but yeah..you start a set price..most will ask for 12k and get your bussiness... some with better than normal buffs will charge 17k..nothing good can come from that idea
Undergrid
Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:39 am
#32
My Master Doctor alt has been buffing latly in Coronet to make some cash. I don't craft because I don't want to craft, and I don't have a stock of high stat resources to make decent buff packs with. For interest I worked out a breakdown of my costs.
Bivoli - 1 Crate of 25, 3 uses each, 75 uses - 200k
Brandy - 1 Crate of 25, 18 uses each, 450 uses - 200k
Buff Packs - 1 Crate of 10 of each buff pack, 33 uses per pack, 330 uses total, 872 and 873 power - 900k total (this is a good price on my server, most buff packs would cost the equivalent of 1.2mill to 1.5mill for the same amount)
Total price: 1300k.
Now so far I've used about 15 full sets of buff packs, 1 and a half crates of Bivoli and about 1/3rd of the brandy.
So the cost for one buff:
Buffs: 2727.27 (900k / 330 uses)
Bivoli: 606.06 (200k / 330 uses)
Brandy: 202.02 (1/3rd of 200k / 330 uses)
Total: 3535.35
Now since these figures are taken from my own experience, they do allow for wasted Bivoli, ie time when I was under the effect of Bivoli but not buffing.
With the current buff packs I get 2398 on health, strength and constitution and 2400 on action, quickness and stamina and I charge 14k for buffs.
Total Income: 4620k
Total Cost: 1300k
Total Profit: 3320k
Now as for charging huge amounts, I was offered 200k at one point (when I was the only Doc in coronet, how often does that happen?) for someone who really wanted to jump the queue. I didn't refuse
Generally I don't offer a queue jumping (or VIP queue as some people call it) service, but prices on my server seem to very between 50k and 100k. I don't know how popular this option is with customers though.
Bivoli - 1 Crate of 25, 3 uses each, 75 uses - 200k
Brandy - 1 Crate of 25, 18 uses each, 450 uses - 200k
Buff Packs - 1 Crate of 10 of each buff pack, 33 uses per pack, 330 uses total, 872 and 873 power - 900k total (this is a good price on my server, most buff packs would cost the equivalent of 1.2mill to 1.5mill for the same amount)
Total price: 1300k.
Now so far I've used about 15 full sets of buff packs, 1 and a half crates of Bivoli and about 1/3rd of the brandy.
So the cost for one buff:
Buffs: 2727.27 (900k / 330 uses)
Bivoli: 606.06 (200k / 330 uses)
Brandy: 202.02 (1/3rd of 200k / 330 uses)
Total: 3535.35
Now since these figures are taken from my own experience, they do allow for wasted Bivoli, ie time when I was under the effect of Bivoli but not buffing.
With the current buff packs I get 2398 on health, strength and constitution and 2400 on action, quickness and stamina and I charge 14k for buffs.
Total Income: 4620k
Total Cost: 1300k
Total Profit: 3320k
Now as for charging huge amounts, I was offered 200k at one point (when I was the only Doc in coronet, how often does that happen?) for someone who really wanted to jump the queue. I didn't refuse
Generally I don't offer a queue jumping (or VIP queue as some people call it) service, but prices on my server seem to very between 50k and 100k. I don't know how popular this option is with customers though.
Rere
Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:00 am
#33
Legende wrote:
Lastly, you aren't the first to propose this, and I'm sure you won't be the last... long story short: it won't happen. No offense to yourself, you have a noble cause, but I won't conform to any set price [even tho I very VERY rarely buff] b/c you buy your packs and I make mine. I will always buff under the normal price. But hey, at least I don't do it when there is another doc buffing, just to steal his/her line... that's just low.
I couldn't agree more with Legende. Trying to set up a min price for buffs it's just not feasible. Not only because you'd be competing with Docs that make their own enhance packs, and therefore will always have a different profit margin than those who buy their packsor because the economy really varies from server to server (Meaning in one you can easily buy a 900 pack for 15k in one but you have to pay at least 30k inanother).But also, in my opinion, because not likely more than 15% of the Docs that play this game bother to read the Forums (let alone the Doc forums). Consensus regarding this matter is really an utopia.
Niles2828
Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:53 am
#34
/cheer Obata
NomAnor1987 wrote:
but i see that you would rather flame and 1 star than listen and reason... do us a favor and stop posting if you cannot post anything constructive...
I wasn't the one who 1-starred you. And I certainly wasn't flaming.... just pointing out the contradicting flaws of your argument.
ExperiencedPilot
Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:08 pm
#35
I think tomorrow they are nerfing the solo groups , meaning that no one will be making much money , and then buff prices will need to be lowered drasticlly , armor prices will be lowered weapon prices too , food , buffs etc .
Where does money come from ? from the people who do solo missions , I mean it doesn't grow on trees , all the millions that crafters have is from people that did missions and got money and paid , and it all sums up !
So basiclly ur talking about making prices 15k or more when now people won't have that much loose change to spend on buffs , nor will they need them as much .
Just my two cents
captenjonny
Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:04 am
#36
I was in C'net yesterday on my way to space when I saw someone spamming "BUFFING For FREE, SAY NO TO GREEDY DOCS, GET YOUR FREE BUFFS HERE!!!".
It's all going to be moot once the combat nerf hits and buffs become meaningless.
You'd be better off herding kittens rather than getting any agreement on this topic.
It's all going to be moot once the combat nerf hits and buffs become meaningless.
You'd be better off herding kittens rather than getting any agreement on this topic.
CooperStarforge
Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:09 am
#37
The point of the matter is this.
If it costs me 1k/buff or 5k/buff set and I charge 15k.. you are paying for:
1) My overhead
Food/Drink for buffing
Shuttle rides
ETC
2)My time I take out of being MTK/Pilot 3/3/3/3 that I could be mastering pilot.
If you don't like my price go elsewhere
I think every doc should charge 30k that way ppl will stop whining that I charge 15k.
joisey
Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:23 am
#38
Always considered Buff price's to be way too low for the possible income the user is going to benefit from them, from my hunting days a 10K buff was worth 300K with solo missions easy. Nerfing willpossiblychange all that, course if they nerf armor too then even a weak buff is better then none so I don't think demand is gonna take too big a hit.
With that said I stopped Public buffing a while ago as not being profitible enough while there were doc's doing it for 10K, basically i buff by request only and these ppl know my stuff is good and the price is set at 20K, there is no shortage of ppl knocking at my door. I also do a good business in attending grouphunts and theme parks(vette runs) by request.
There are times I get caught out in public and offered a silly amount for a buff, be bad form on my part to turn it down, and just as quick as I throw my first buff a line will form. When they ask for a price I tell them what the first guy is paying, sure enough the squawking starts abut overprced doc's. At that time I cut the line off with the last person there and hit my macro, "this is a special request buff, the line stops with "name", if you choose to not pay my fee please exit the line and I will be on my way". Short and simple and no skin off my nose, anybody who wish's to complain by tellsor email gets a email in return stating my reasons for what I do.
I don't force anybody to buy my buffs nor do I hawk them, business is going just fine making and selling stims and packs(which are all priced quite reasonable). Hunters have no prob taking my 100-200cpu for uber avian or herb and I don't hear the bellyaching about that.
Free buffing doc's? well they are either xping,soon to be going out of business or just dumping lousy buffs.
Wow rant off, sorry guys.
Nema0879
Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:44 am
#39
joisey wrote:
Free buffing doc's? well they are either xping,soon to be going out of business or just dumping lousy buffs.
Don't forget those of us that get annoyed by other docs trying to overprice the market and come in to keep them from gauging people. (Note: 15k is not overpriced when it happened on our server there were docs charging 50-80k for a buff ...)
This will never work. Why? Because there are people like me that don't buff in coronet but as soon as I see someone over pricing the market by selling buffs OR demanding that new docs buff for a certain price (i've seen established docs have this exact same conversation with newer ones in coro) I will go out of my way to make sure I do everything in my power to prevent their "mandate" from happening. I don't appreciate people ordering me around and I have a major problem with people who try and order new players around as well.
Although this may not have been what you were trying to do, it goes hand in hand with the conversation somewhat and annoys me greatly 