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Again how is this hurting anybodys game play? whats the diff between grinding doc in a cpl days or a cpl weeks to be your so called "fake" buff for money doc??? its still gona happen just take a lil longer but the way thay get to master doc does not affect your game play at all the competition will still be there!!! Granted im agenst the starport buffers as much as anybody but that has nothing to do with the way or speeda doc masters his profession. (fix the reasons for the influx of docs not the way a person desides to grind it to master)

And you can still sit and chat in a med centerand just ignore them so thay do not affect gameplay in any way there eather. (not that I have honestly seen any of this in a long long time in game)

your notion of a "real doc" I may agree with to a point but it does not give anybody the right to ruin other peoples game play. and no I still dont see tumblers affect your game play at all.

like I said before AFK tumblers may or may not be exploiters (and is up to the devs to deal with) but buffing tumblers IS griefing and anybody that admits to doing it here should be banned. at least the tumblers are trying to help out others not ruin the gameplay like the buffers.

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I have a better question. Why are we doing this again? Am I the only one that reads these boards more than once a week? We JUST finished a thread last week about this? Some of you here posted in that thread too. Am I missing something? I have yet to see one new arguement for either side.

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Personally, I have no problem with tumblers. It's just a way to Grind. If people wish to grind they will. The only complaint I have is that it fills my combat window with spam.

How is tumbling different than:

- Healing dancers AFK in the cantina

- Healing someone war crying a lair

- Healing someone using a broken weapon and just letting a non DB critter pound on them.

- Healing someone with a CM disease or poison

- Lighting someone on fire and healing them.

It's all ways to grind and if someone is dead set on grinding they will no matter what. I've been an MD for several months now and I "worked myself up the slow way", but if I dropped MD and decided to relearn it I'd grind it. Since I've already done it the slow way once, why would I want to again.

Really its just a matter of convinence. Tumbling is the easiest form of grinding. If we want to get rid of medical grinding altogether then we need to change the way damage is assessed and created, which has been alluded to for the future.

- Bayland

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Tarquinas -- Waog Whawn - Doctor / TKA / Power Supplier, Steel Legion

I'm a Master Swordsman and 4/4/4/0 Doctor. I picked up Doctor primarily so I could have the convenience of buffing myself (healing states is also a nice ability to have). I used tumblers to get quite a bit of my medical experience, and if I hadn't I'd probably still be sitting in the medical center trying to get experience from healing people who had only 10 wounds.

I healed wounded players when they came into the med center, it was easy to do. Injury Treatment and Wound Treatment are on separate timers, so between healing a tumbler I could heal someone's wounds. I healedentertainers in the cantina as well, but that was only really efficient to get through Medic. Once I hit doctor,healing entertainers just didn't give enough experience. I also healed people at starports, both as they loaded in and as I was waiting for the shuttle. That helped a little too, but again only gave sporadic xp.

I'm not going to make 'excuses' or try to justify using tumblers, because frankly I see nothing wrong with it. If using tumblers is an exploit, then every kind of grinding in the game is an exploit. Do you think SOE intended for weaponsmiths to grind tens of thousands of projectile rifle barrels to become a Master Weaponsmith? Grinding through a crafting profession is insanely quick using in-game macros. Is this an exploit as well? If so, then I'd like to see where SOE has said it's an exploit.

Using tumbling to get medical xp may not have been intended, but almost everything in the game is not working, or being used, as intended. And it's up to the Devs to change it if they want to, which they occasionally do. It's not any player's job to be the tumbling-police and go around buffing tumblers, or trying enforcetheir play-style on everyone else.

Astiva Stormrider/Corbantis

I don't care if you ever 'did' it (original poster). Using the past tense implies it's done and as someone Currently doing the doc line I can say you're out of touch with the process of getting xp. With the current state of buffs I rarely see anyone that Needs healing, most of the time it's a waste of even a so-so stimB to hit them, this includes the Cantina. Sure there is wound healing but since a good 30% of the combat oriented players have some TKA they just meditate most of the wounds away(usually while watching entertainers, no wound healing in the cantina)making wounded players that much rarer. I've resorted to wound healing players in doc lines for buffs, since they usually ask the [Master] doc for wound heals while they're there instead of going to the med center...that isusually awaste of time. Either way, a player with wounds only really needs healing once a day or once a buff session. I've even seen grief healers...the ones that heal while people are trying to duel thats how desperate they are for xp. Have you been to Theed, Coronet, Mos Eisly, Bespine, etc.lately? All I see are 5+ medics/novice docs standing around in the clinics trying to heal one or two tumblers and occasionally swarming the rare player that comes in for real healing like a school of pihranna. I'm [not]sorry, but until things change abit tumblers Are providing a useful and needed service.

As a footnote I'm getting really tired of these high horse people that think they are game designers...when it's VERY obvious they don't have a Clue about the current state of the profession they are trying to get changed. Also, I REPORT all Doc's that buffany of the secondary Action pools on tumblers, their actions are nothing short of griefing as they are Imposing their playstyle on others Forceably...useless but at least it tags their account for griefing.

P.S. I didn't bother reading all the posts in the thread and I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion but the Dev's, hopefully they've looked at ways to make medic/doc more viable with the revamp.

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I don't think afk tumbles is an exploit, I do see it as gaming the game. The people that use tumblers will always find a way to justify this action. I have powered my way through Medic and I'm almost a Doctor. I started this game 3 weeks ago with four other friends. We always hunt together and with me there, they can take on tougher opponents, meaning more experience for them - also more damage occured against them, meaning more experience for me.

People say that they pay their $15 to have fun, if sitting in a med center healing tumblers and ignoring the people that come in for healing is fun...all the power to them. BTW tumblers are in it for financial gain, everysingle one I have seen are requesting tips in their AFK spam. Spam in which earns them a place on my ignore list, sucks to be them if them ask me for heals later on I guess lol. Oh and I don't train tumbler healers, they can pay the NPC trainer or seek someone else. I don't mind novice medic healing dancers it is a mutually beneficial exchange that one - although there is a case to be made against AFK entertainers...

Is tumbling working as designed? - YES

Is it being used as intended? - from what I have read in the FAQ, description and manual...NO

Thereby easily falling into the world of exploit.

Until SOE takes a stand on it, it is all semantics. Which is why I consider it gaming the game.

I'll admit, I used a tumbler once to clear up a 900 XP needed to level. I did it so I could go hunting with my friend, I am ashamed <averts eyes>

I have a few issues with you dealings with tumblers:

1) Who do you think you are that you have the rigth to decide how others earn there xp?

2) Buffing tumblers IS griefing and HAS resulted in suspensions. You have NO right interfering in another persons enjoyment of the game, when it in NO way infringes on you.

3) It is in no way an exploit...Tumbling for xp has been around sence the game began...

So how about you mind your own buisness and stop bothering people.

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I have a question. Can Dancers still Action burn? Those things were much better than Tumbling, as the Action just washes away. Something to think about. And another thing: Was tumbling EVER useful for anything other than losing action?