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DarthXanthic

Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:32 am

Nema0879 wrote:

and about 2 months ago we had an auction for dom oats that went for 65 cpu ....

admittedly it was good but the only reason i hung in the auction that long was i had schematics using the resources from patch day from 7 ... the other guy .... *sigh* ... all i can say is he just has too much money ...

People said that about me when I ran my shop on Bria.

Sounds like envy.

Sellers can only sell an item for as much as the market is willing to bear.

Buffs are a prized commodity by everyone, so those with buff shops want the most/best resources, and since they are selling a product in EXTREMELY high demand, they will have the money to get what they require.

It isn't hard. I paid TOP dollar for everything and I started from scratch, alone.

In 4 months I had a multi-million dollar buff business going.

It isn't difficult at all, and even at those prices, you make a profit I'm sure.

BrJLa

Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:54 am

#15

I think part of his point, UrXii, is that a buff only requires 16 units of Dolovite, but 54 units of Wheat. So even if the components contributed in the same ratio, the wheat is only worth about a third as much on a cpu basis.

And I would guess that the difference between this Uber wheat and a different spawn of just exceptional wheat is MAYBE one or two charges. I mean, it's not like you're either going to use this or some grind quality stuff.

Marrow1

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:37 am

#16

Here are my thoughts:

I always max out my charges on my ABEC's. As a result the OQ in the wheat and the OQ and UT in the Fiber are the only stats that really matter. If these are good then even as a 12 point doc you will still have enough room after maxing out the charges to exp up the power a bit.

Since the OQ is the only factor that matters in wheat this opens up many more wheat options. You do not have to have the very rare OQ/PE high values. You just need the high OQ wheat.

IMO finding good tat fiber with high OQ and UT is more important since you need two stats to be high. Since this makes it twice as rare I would pay more for it.

Any doc that buffs for cash should hunt down the 5 extra charges over the 10 extra power any day. No one in a buff line will care if their buff is 27 points out of 2400 lower (heck that is only 1%). However, the doc sure will care that they are getting 5 more sets of buffs at the same price per pack (20% more revenue and about 50% more profit).

As for the iron, well, it is often not to hard to find very good oats to go with the iron. So the delta in a ASDS between using good iron and great iron is often not very much (maybe 5 points). So I would never spend crazy money on it unless I was also in a hurting for good oats.

Now, lets say you went with the second grade wheat and the second great iron what would your pack look like? Well, if you have top great fiber and oats you would wind up with a pack with a few less charges (2-4) and bit less power (2-7). It is my experience that those buying packs will not notice this difference much at all and the packs will still fly off your shelf as fast as you care to make them.

My advice:

Spend all your big money on top shelf Avian, more Avian, and well more Avian.

When you have bought all the top shelf avian you can find then pick up some other stuff.

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SpunkyKuma

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:50 am

#17

Things doctor-wise are getting really ridiculously expensive, 35cpu for reactive gas and tat fiberplast and 75cpu for class 4 petro, we'll be forced to up our buffpacks and when those players that sell resources for 35cpu-75cpu go up to a doc and ask for buffs how are they going to feel when the doc wants to charge 30K? This I see happening sooner or later if not before JTL (supposed upcoming nerf).

Guess the fun of being a doc is coming to an end.

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Ledao

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:58 pm

#18

BrJLa wrote:

I think part of his point, UrXii, is that a buff only requires 16 units of Dolovite, but 54 units of Wheat. So even if the components contributed in the same ratio, the wheat is only worth about a third as much on a cpu basis.

And I would guess that the difference between this Uber wheat and a different spawn of just exceptional wheat is MAYBE one or two charges. I mean, it's not like you're either going to use this or some grind quality stuff.

Yup, you're right on the money BrJLa. Thanks for the clarification.

On my server, at least, there are 2 really expensive wheats, and then 2 really cheap wheats that allow me to hit 24 charges. There might be5 morewheats that allow me to get over 22. Guess what the difference in power is on a BEC with maxed charges using a wheat with 50pe vs. a wheat with 600+pe (assuming roughly the same experimental percentage on charges)? Here's a hint: it isn't much...

So, I hold to my original statement. Avian meat is worth lots. So is gas. Iron has its moments even, because it is used in such small quantities. Wheat is never ever worth the kind of money that it is selling for in the referenced thread (or in a couple of recent auctions on my server). Ever.

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Ledao

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:16 pm

#19

DarthXanthic wrote:

Ledao wrote:

Ok, now I'll agree that this is insane... Wheat is never worth that much. Never ever.

Dolovite can be, in certain circumstances, but the sheer volume of wheat consumed making enhance packs makes that price a bit over the top. Although, if my choices were making 16 charge BECs with cheap stuff and paying 80+ cpu to hit 23 or 24 charges, I'd probably spend the money... But, given that there's always wheat, I really doubt the difference is that big.

Avian and Gas are in a different category than subcomponent resources, and the prices of the former should really have nothing to do with the prices of the latter...

Super uninformed statement here.

Dolovite worth it but not wheat?

The ABEC is the only sub component which will allow for more charges per pack. This means that each charge you get is allowing you to use your expensive resources more times, in fact saving you money.

The ASDS is a 1:1 power ratio in the final product.

Since when is 10 pts of power worth more than 5 additional charges?

I'd glady pay the price for wheat over dolovite anyday, but then again I never had to I bought the best of everything.

85 cpu for wheat... 54 units per pack... 4590 credits per pack for just the wheat. That's insane, and unless that's the only halfway decent wheat that's ever spawned on that server (and you happen to have tons and tons of fiberplast), its also fairly stupid. Although swgcraft's search feature is still down, I'd bet that there are at least a few other wheats that could be substituted for that one with minimal (or even negligible) losses.

Wheat isn't rare. As Morrow pointed out above, only 1 stat matters... Tat fiberplast seems to be much harder to find as a general rule, since both relevant stats need to be high.

Even at 100 cpu, the Iron adds an almost negligible cost to the final pack. More power is always good though... So I can certainly imagine scenarios where I'd spend the big bucks on Iron. But again, not wheat...

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Iatieojeo

Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:43 pm

#20

Excessive prices? Yes... I agree. Can you make all that money back using those buffs? Without a doubt, with loot hunting, pub buffing, etc. Personally, I choose to purchase my buffs, as I hate crafting, and don't have any tapes. There are a few docs on my server who have great tapes, and sell crates of 10 buffs (876+ power)for around 165K. They make their profit based upon volume. They can use lesser quality materials, and get the same results that us "Normal Folks" get from uber resources. It's cheaper for me, and less time consuming. The only problem now, is so many of these folks with the uber tapes seem to be dissapearing from the game, due to boredom, or what have you. It's getting tougher, and tougher to find a stocked med vendor. I've taken to making my own stims. Not much difference in a 1230 heal E, and 1100 heal E. There's a big difference however, between spending 20 Mil on uber resources, pr a crapload of time mining/harvesting to make middle of the road buff packs, and spending a mil on 10 sets of 6 packs, that will last you quite a while.

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st0nedpenguin

Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:10 am

#21

Nema0879 wrote:

12k is lowend ... 20k is high ... though all i've never seen for it go over 15k, rumors have it that some go for 20k so i'm taking their word for it ...

I saw someone buffing in Coronet with 1900 stats for 14k recently...

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