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Thread: Need some help understanding.... (CU)
Rere wrote:
You really make me sound like a broken record here, but I'll try ONE more time and hopefully you will get it this time ....
We LOST 70% of the schematics we could craft thanks to the fact that everyone has magical abilities to heal now.
And if you wish to continue crafting you will pick up 0004 BE, drop two lines of Medic and be in a better boat skill point wise. Be able to craft 12 new enhances that can be used by everyone in the game and not just Docs. All StimA-Ds that can be used by everyone else in the game too. Not to menion if you so choose you could craft all the BE stuff too from that column,
How hard is that to understand? And I'm NOT talking only about buff packs. And if you think ANY Doc can make TONS of money selling rez packs and cure packs you obviously never been a crafting Doc
The point is there is very little left to craft. I, as so many other crafting Docs here, loved the crafting part of being a Doc. Stop being so narrow-minded and assuming it's all about the money.
Without the effort of picking up 0004 BE and having 10 exp points plus any on clothing you are correct. Otherwise there is considerably more to craft.
If you ever been a large scale med crafter you should know that once you hit 100-200 Mill in sales and yet you keep crafting over and over, month after month it isnt becauseyou want moresilly pixel money. And mind you, I have absolutely NOTHING against Docs who might have done that for that reason ... this is a GAME folks ... if someone decides to overprice his items, or has a large portion of control in a market, or only plays to get more moneywhy would any of that not be a validplaying style? So stop taking this "you're beeing greedy" idea as something unacceptable ...Some people plays a game like SWG with the intention of getting as rich as possible, some other players only wants to develop his template to be the best PvP'er of his server, some do it just to have a Master Dancer so then can interact with people in a cantina. ALL are valid playing styles.
Agreed. I did a little counting just for my own giggles, almost exclusively people that post "I can't make money anymore" or "All my investment wasted" or the general "I don't like it" with no reasons given all have one thing in common. A store(s) in their signature. As I didn't understand what you were saying and you were spouting "magical" left and right with no real explaination when everything in the game is counter to that, it was a safe assumption to make, although obviously wrong in this case.
In my case though, I NEVER became a crafting Doc for the money. I loved to craft meds. Simple as that. And now we just had 70% of all we could craft destroyed.
They are no longer parts of the game they didn't remove them to take them away from Docs. Crafting continues with a BE preq and not with any small amount of items.
Now really if YOU instead of telling us to open your mind, did the same yourself, you'd perhaps start to understand it doesn't necessary has anything to do with being greedy or not.
It's not and never wasan assumption I applied to the general persons here.
But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't.
No need to be nasty in a civil conversation.
Darksfallen wrote:
Again there's no reason to be nasty for no reason. At work there's not much to do. Check how often I post after 6pm you will see how often I get out. Is it true for you?
Rere wrote:
And youreally need to go out more if you keep collecting "statistics" about something as silly as all this.
You're the only calling people "greedy" over assumptions you say you gathered collecting "statistics", not me.
And no, I don't tend to post much. As a matter of fact if you check my tracker you will see that 80% of all my posts have been done is the Doc forums, to discuss Doc crafting,which shouldhintyou a lot about how I'm only upset at the crafting changes for Docs because I'm greedy.
And other than that, this discussion is quite pointless, you obviously only choose to read what you want.
Rere wrote:
And other than that, this discussion is quite pointless, you obviously only choose to read what you want.
Your right it is, thanks for your input!
(edit and I never called anyone greedy, saying someone lost a source of income is hardly calling someone greedy nor was it what I intended.)
(edit2: I fixed it, didn't know quoting was an issue.)
Message Edited by Darksfallen on 04-01-2005 01:33 PM
Darksfallen wrote:
Rere wrote:
And other than that, this discussion is quite pointless,
Your right it is, thanks for your input!
(edit and I never called anyone greedy, saying someone lost a source of income is hardly calling someone greedy nor was it what I intended.)
Message Edited by Darksfallen on 04-01-2005 01:23 PM
Rere wrote:
Lol you just proved my point by editing my post, thank you.
People do it all the time, that's the only part of the post I cared to respond to. I do not read what I want to I try to understand what other people say. I said "a loss of income" and you said I called you greedy, talk about reading what you want from something.
But anyway, thanks for posting here!
hamhamthe3rd wrote:
hmm, i think you misunderstood me.all im saying is that you are llooking at it wrong. they arent trying to make pplelated about being a docnor are they arent aiming at the opposite. nothing was doneto get you to say,"oh yeah this is what a doc is all about."they just want balance, the mechanics will not agree with everyone but thatsnot the purpose of them. so i say it again, everything was done for balance and nothing more. sweat the details if you like but what is there to understand?
I love the change. People don't. I'm trying to understand that.
Proving to be more trouble than it's worth. People resorting to insults and such.
You don't have to humor me, I try to get it but I guess I'm just stuck, I'm not usually so close minded not to see some kind of difference... I'll reponder.
Marrow1 wrote:
In our current system meds play an important role in the effectiveness of our skills. This fact makes for a large part of the emersion or feel of the play style for many docs.
Which is now the enchancers, so I'm confused as to your view still, constructively. It will take skill to make, you can be better than other people and you can make them youself with the freed up points from Medic.
Meds give a doc the same feel to the game that a weapon does to a fighter. It adds planing, pride, a sense that they are different than thier peers, etc. These things are what help one to suspend disbelief.
This is what the enhancers are now. And you have to admit that combatants and Docs are completely different. Thepower no longer lies in the item and moreso the item isn't needed anymore, it's like that reloading you are assumed to have to do but never do in combat. Of course I know you don't need them (enhancers), but if you want to be one of the best you won't work without them.
Also, quoting other issues with the game such as the anti decay kits does not bolster support that a different issue is not an issue. It just points at other issues. It is like saying, well, we have cut off your arm so now that we are cutting off your leg is ant so bad. I would argue that we should fix the arm and not cut off the leg. (ie we should fix the anti decay kits and not remove meds).
I don't feel there's anything wrong with the kit, i'm just using it as an example. The same goes for the self powered harvesters we just assume there is some invisible technology out there that powers it. Hydro or Geo whatever it now gets power, but we never know how?
If you do not have such crutches to help us suspend disblief then the game becomes nothing more than a large chat room.
You have no such crutches in any other case, not a single one I listen, why should this be any different, I still don't understand.
Message Edited by Darksfallen on 04-01-2005 12:16 PM
DoctorBill wrote:
I am pist that I cannot spend an evening crafing like I used to, I will be losing 70% of my ability to craft, yeah that gets me really excited about the changes!
I like the money but its the fun of making things for people that has kept me here this long, losing that may take away the one thing I really love, I hope the other things take as much time to craft, but only making 30% of what I used seems like it will only take 30% of the time as I make everything.
Message Edited by DoctorBill on 04-01-2005 02:22 PM
Believe me, I'm as skeptical about the CU as anyone else, however I'm a bit confused buy the resaoning of "I lost 70% of my ability to craft" ...
Have you looked at the OTHER stuff a BE can craft? While I have not gone down the path of BE (yet), it has always intrigued me... the DNA aspects of it alone are enough to make me want to drop Doc post-CU and pick up MBE. Plus, there are the items that you can craft for Chefs and Tailors.
I personally see the change not only as an INCREASE in the number of things I can craft, but also as an increase in customer base. Now my med items will be able to be used by everyone, PLUS I'll have Chefs and Tailors asking for crates an crates of components.
I'm also interested in seeing whether or not the pricing of Chef foods will change post-CU. I'm hoping they won't, because it means that we'll be able to charge the same price, seeing as the enhancers/stims are now basically like food: they are consumable goods that can be used by anyone. (The chefs I know justify their price with the argument: "you can use food anywhere, at any time, but Doc/Musician buffs have to be applied by someone of that profession")
Darksfallen wrote:
You don't have to humor me, I try to get it but I guess I'm just stuck, I'm not usually so close minded not to see some kind of difference... I'll reponder.
Marrow1 wrote:
In our current system meds play an important role in the effectiveness of our skills. This fact makes for a large part of the emersion or feel of the play style for many docs.
Which is now the enchancers, so I'm confused as to your view still, constructively. It will take skill to make, you can be better than other people and you can make them youself with the freed up points from Medic.
Meds do two things. First they enable the skill to be used. Second they all a quality to that skill that makes up a very large chunk of the effectiveness.
Enhancers do not enable the skill. They simply add 10-30%.
Very different.
Meds give a doc the same feel to the game that a weapon does to a fighter. It adds planing, pride, a sense that they are different than thier peers, etc. These things are what help one to suspend disbelief.
This is what the enhancers are now. And you have to admit that combatants and Docs are completely different. Thepower no longer lies in the item and moreso the item isn't needed anymore, it's like that reloading you are assumed to have to do but never do in combat. Of course I know you don't need them (enhancers), but if you want to be one of the best you won't work without them.
Docs are considered combatants.
Also, quoting other issues with the game such as the anti decay kits does not bolster support that a different issue is not an issue. It just points at other issues. It is like saying, well, we have cut off your arm so now that we are cutting off your leg is ant so bad. I would argue that we should fix the arm and not cut off the leg. (ie we should fix the anti decay kits and not remove meds).
I don't feel there's anything wrong with the kit, i'm just using it as an example. The same goes for the self powered harvesters we just assume there is some invisible technology out there that powers it. Hydro or Geo whatever it now gets power, but we never know how?
If you do not have such crutches to help us suspend disblief then the game becomes nothing more than a large chat room.
You have no such crutches in any other case, not a single one I listen, why should this be any different, I still don't understand.
again, pointing out other issues does not justify adding new ones.
Message Edited by Darksfallen on 04-01-2005 12:16 PM
Rere wrote:
I'm sorry but they did made all of us into a bunch of little Merlin's full of magical abilities.
If you like that, great for you.
But the thing is, I don't and neither a lot of other Docs here. Nothing you say or post will change that. So I really don't see how this thread can be construtive in any way.
Move on and accept the fact that people have different opinions.
Of course there are always differing opinions, I for one think it's important, at least for me, to understand the other side. That's why I'm tring to do here.
You pose no reasons why you accept everything else and not this. The only conclusion that can be made given some statistics I have been keeping is that you are angry because you think you will not be able to make the money that you once could.
I'm not trying to convience anyone of anything here.