Doctor Archive
Thread: Doctors need to unite!
Cypher71
Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:49 pm
#14
Ohobi,
I too know doctors that no longer buff the public. The difference is between what they do and what I propose we all do is the reason as to why they don't buff the public anymore. Most doctors that don't buff the public either 1) never intended to when they took up the profession, 2) are fed up with the high demand and low gratitude of the player base, 3) got bored sitting there for hours and hours because the lines just never go away, 4) they just don't find it cost effective.
What I am saying is that for every doctor on every server to stop buffing the public. The reasons why..... it is my hope that others will realize how much they need us. It is my desire that those people who go around griefing Doc's while they are buffing learn that without us, they are 2 shots from dead. It is my hope that by striking and withholding what we can offer to other players, those that provide us with the resources we need to make those buffs will again be reasonable in the selling of them, and finally, it is my hope that by striking, those players that are constantly complaining that a doc's buffs are too low, too short, too expensive will either learn to play within thier means or figure out that no matter how short, how weak or how expensive a buff could be, it's still better then going out to fight in your skivies.
I am not poor but yet I still couldn't afford 10k avian meat at 500cpu. I could if I chose to do so, charge 20k per buff set and still have a line that wouldn't stop. I could /addignore every single person that complained that I am charging too much for my 2400-2500 buffs that last 3 hours and 20 minutes. But why?
This is why I say we need to take a stand as a whole. By our actions, tell EVERYONE acrossed all servers that we are fed up.
Karlsonj
Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:32 pm
#15
I dont know how it feels to be a doc but i am sure it sux at times as i can see it in the starport at Coronet. I am not going to agree or disgre with this thread as i got doc friends who buff me and help me when i need as i will tip them or get the resources they need a discout or free in most cases. I know that not being buffed sucks to do missions and are one step from death in most cases. I try to be as fair as i can to my friends that are docs and help them when i can. In most cases when i take the guild out on a hunt i will ask they get the meat and stff for the few docs we know and in most cases the ones we give it to still pay us good money for it because we have ehlped and asked for nothing in return just like when they buff us they as for nothing either, its kinda kewl i like it this way we get money from missions the docs get there good meat for the buffs everyone is happy. I wish there was more of that kind of friendlness on this server.
This is my 2 cents and i hope you all can figure out something to make it fun again and hey if you need something you can always send me an email in game i will have the guild work on stuff for you in exchange for a good price (you make it) or some buffs for free, i think its fair that way.
Tiloc's Supplies 903 -4919
Near Coronet
Tiloc
Master Smuggler
Master TK
Darkblade101
Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:40 pm
#16
I know exactly how you guys are feeling,we finally got a good spawn of avian on bria and its on talus,song rasps brr, i am going to have nightmares.
I started the avian buying at 200 cpu,i think,and a couple others joined in the same.
I know 200 cpu isnt that cheap but in order to get people to hunt rasps ,it has to be worth there while.
It didnt take long before, now the high bid is 300 cpu
I draw the line at 260 cpu,really wanted 200 cpu
But that is how it goes,i agree with the post.
/Sign
ThelaMisan
Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:26 am
#17
I know y'all will flame me for this but I honestly think part of the issue is the bad attitude of some of the doctors. I love being a doctor, I think sitting there in the starport buffing is entertaining. I try to be gracious and polite to the people I deal with. In the last few months that I've been buffing I've only had one person complain about the 8k I charge. But, as I've sat there in front of the starport in Coronet buffing away and I listen tooand see the dealings with other doctors, the ones who get into arguements over price with their customers tend to have bad attitudes.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think a little kindness towards the customer goes a long way. We chose Doctor and we chose to buff, I can't agree with a strike.
Cypher71
Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:52 am
#19
Thela,
I am not here to flame you for your opinion, and I hope that no-one else responding to this thread does so either. You may view this situation as you wish and I can understand what you are saying, however I can't defend others actions, only my own. I can't force you to do as I would like, you are free to choose your own path. But I do hope that those of you that disagree with my ideals can at least seethe merit in the possible outcome.
I am probably one of the nicer doctors you will meet if you play on Tempest. I'm sure I'm not the nicest, since I have my moments of not wanting to be bothered just as anyone else, but I try to be polite and kind to any and all that cross my path. I don't buff the public purely for monatery gains, to me, it is also a wonderful social event for those times I don't wish to hunt. I say wonderful, because I do not wish to give credance to those few individuals that want to take away from that and make it a miserable experiance.
All in all, even if you don't agree with the reasons for the strike, I hope that you can see the merit of it, not for myself, not for any individual, but for our profession as a whole.
- Angle
I had a better speech written then this, but I hit submit right when they where doing server maintenance....D'oh! 
Feralcom
Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:21 am
#20
Once I used up a whole crate of each type to buff people freely in Theed. Boy, did that tick off the six or so other MDs auctioning their buffs. I got a lot of rude tells, but it is not like I was yelling "free buffs". I just stood at the starport and buffed them as they came in (without saying anything). About half would tip me 10k, but I tipped it back. Just about all of them were very confused. This tells me a lot about the general attitude towards MDs.
I was just doing it to celebrate reaching Master Doctor. Honestly, I didn’t feel held back by others to get there. I obtained all the materials I needed on my own and didn’t pay credit one.
I honestly do not understand the complaint. Resources have minimal cost if you’re getting them yourself. It is your choice if you want pay others to get them for you. In fact, everyone obtaining their own material would make a larger impact on inflated prices than a buff strike (IMO).
Also, as said above, buffing others for money or for free is a personal choice. If you choose to make money from buffs then you choose to have difficult customers. You’re dealing with the public one-on-one. You can’t escape it no matter what. If you can’t accept that (and still want to sell) sell items in the bazaar or on vendors. No mess…no fuss.
My intent is not to flame. I might just be too dumb to see the point. But as of now, I don’t.
KiIIgore
Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:36 am
#21
I have been a master Doc forever, probably one of the oldest, I did buffs when people didnt know what they did, I did buffs when they were random, and you could get 1500 - 3500s in the same set....
Following the BS people gave me over random buffs, hit 5 at 3k and then one would go 1400 or somethin the odd time ... you were called a fraud, theif, etc.
Now I say F*&^ em all ! I do not buff the public, only guildies and friends .... I can hit well over 2500s and I don't need money, so when I am asked to buff, and I say NO, sry ...
It's due to you A holes from the past whinin.....
Cableguy25
Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:37 am
#22
Please feel free to strike. All you will accomplish is a new wave of Doctors filling in the gap you left.
MonkeyWithACold
Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:46 am
#23
Well, Good luck to you docs. But I think that most people in game have at least one frined who is a doc. Or someone one theri guild is a doc.
The problem is, people are willing to pay a lot of money for buffs. You can get 50% of the docs to stop buffing. Then the other 50% can double there prices to 20k per set.
Thats 1 janta mission. ONE missions, maybe 10 minutes, out of 3+ hours!
I know I would still be willing to pay 20k for 1 set of buffs, as would most other players.
Now lets say you get 99% of docs to join you (if you get all docs to stop buffing, i think you deserve the nobel, whatver you get for this type of thing prize), the docs wont make any money leading to needing to do missions which only docs can do (since docs are the only people who can get buffs), then docs are getting all the oney out of the system.
So everyone will become a doc, knowing that docs can buff themselfes and go make money, leading to most of the game pop. being a MD. Now, there will be one smart MD, who will say "Hey, nobody is buffing, ill charge 50k for a buff" And people will buy it, then more docs will catch on, then buff prices will go back down.
I like your idea, and in theory it works, but in here. Nope. Remember, spreading the word from the forums only gets to about 20% of the games population.
Sorry for all my spelling mistakes, im drunk.
The problem is, people are willing to pay a lot of money for buffs. You can get 50% of the docs to stop buffing. Then the other 50% can double there prices to 20k per set.
Thats 1 janta mission. ONE missions, maybe 10 minutes, out of 3+ hours!
I know I would still be willing to pay 20k for 1 set of buffs, as would most other players.
Now lets say you get 99% of docs to join you (if you get all docs to stop buffing, i think you deserve the nobel, whatver you get for this type of thing prize), the docs wont make any money leading to needing to do missions which only docs can do (since docs are the only people who can get buffs), then docs are getting all the oney out of the system.
So everyone will become a doc, knowing that docs can buff themselfes and go make money, leading to most of the game pop. being a MD. Now, there will be one smart MD, who will say "Hey, nobody is buffing, ill charge 50k for a buff" And people will buy it, then more docs will catch on, then buff prices will go back down.
I like your idea, and in theory it works, but in here. Nope. Remember, spreading the word from the forums only gets to about 20% of the games population.
Sorry for all my spelling mistakes, im drunk.
Cypher71
Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:30 am
#24
I don't believe this will be an easy task but this is a start. Again, I can't make anyone do anything they don't want. I can only say what's on my mind and hopefully find others that think the same.
I really don't think that if all doctors stopped buffing that everyone would become a doctor. And yes, I'm sure that if the majority of doctors stop buffing that there will be the few that take advantage of the situation to make a fortune for themselves, and that is thier chioce. To those people I say they only became a doctor for thier own personal agenda and they will do what they want no matter what anyone says.
I may be spinning my wheels so to speak, or I may be talking to a deaf crowd, but at least I am willing to take a stand. It would be a proud moment indeed if all the doctors came together for a common goal. That goal is to find some equality, respect, and dignity in the world we wander. This is my solution to our problems with the player community. This is my attempt at bringing us all together for a better tomorrow. One day at a time, one person at a time, hopefully we can make a difference. If not, then the worlds we grace will just have a few less doctors to buff the masses.
Cypher71
Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:33 am
#25
Sorry, need to make a correction to my previous post.
If my effort is a waste, then what I ment to say is that the worlds we grace will have a few less doctors that buff, heal, tend, or rezz. This is after all a strike, buffing isn't the only thing we have to offer, but it is the biggest thing people see us as and also the biggest thing people focus on. A shame really.
/stands
Hi, my name is Angle, I am not a buff bot, and I am on Strike!
SlowNStoopid
Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:50 am
#26
Angle, I see what you are trying to do here and though I may agree with your grieveances and points, I doubt it will work. As some of the previous posters have stated, there will always be new public buffdocs coming in to cash in, either through greed, ignorance, or just cuz they like the interaction.
Still, no one ever does it for long, and for good reason too. But then againwho cares if they keep coming in? I must have heard a dozen "Dammit! I'm gonna make my alt a doc!" in this past week alone. Every mother's son and their petbantha swears to be docs in their next life. If they do, great. Fewer harassments whenwe do decide to come out of hiding to useour "Master Doc" tags.
The main attraction is the fact that new players can actually SEE buffdocs charging and making 10k a buff at the starports. What they can't see is the hard work that goes into just making one of those packs or the annoying tells we are bombarded with when we even hint that we are a member of the buff-vending-machine profession. Imagine what would happen if everytime I smashed a Janta/Mokk BBQ pit, it gets broadcasted over thespatial channel in the starportal. "XXXXJUST MADE 27k." repeated 15 times per hour. Mutiplied that by the number of solo-groupers you have and you will see even newbies with their CDEFs shouting "Looking to join solo-group! PST!!!" on the Mining Outpost.
Most docs with any experience already do not buff the public. We havemore rewardingthings to do with our time. If it frustrates you so much, just do other stuff andto hell with all the "How much and what are your stats?" tells. Dunno if you rememberwhen a doc namedArch started charging 15k for a buff in Tempest. I got an avalanche of hate tells and even hate emails from bozos whom I don't know, demanding thateveryoneboycott him and call him nasty names. LOL. How do you reason withhate-driven peoplelike that?
Maybe one day people will realize the true value of the service that is being demanded for and pay it its worth, but I'm not holding my breath. Till then, I'll just leave an afk message on when I wear my doc tag, "30k per buff. I make that back in1 Janta mission (minus loot) in under 5 minutes. If you want my time, attention and buffpacks, you'll have to make it worth my while. Reply ONLY if you agree with the terms." I have it on my macro but I still haven'tgotten over the trauma enough to wear my doc tag again. LOL.
I'd say that Docs should all go do something that interests them rather than to call for a strike. Many people still can't get over the negative connotations of that word. If buffing the public is what turns their screws, then so be it. When thereward doesn't correspond with the required effort, I just won't do it. Let all the people with alts and their pet banthas do it. LOL. 