Doctor Archive
Thread: Doctors Not Doing Their Duty
Sevardos
Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:04 am
#14
Jagged-F3l wrote:
I'm so utterly sick and tired of going into a medical center, finding plenty of doctors, and none of them give you the time of day because they're too busy healing someone who's tumbling. Medics and doctors, you have to start doing your job. If the only reason you became a doc was to buff, give up the profession.
You just have to marvel at the delusion.
1. (comment on yellow highlight) This is a game - not a job. I play a class/character/toon in a GAME - it's not a bloody job. I have a job - it's what allows me the perk to play the game.
2. (comment on green highlight). If I decided to be a Doc because I thought the healing animations were cool and always wanted to wear a white smock, then that's my perogative. Unless you plan on paying for my monthly subscription, only one person can tell me how to play my toon ... and that's ME.
captenjonny
Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:42 am
#15
Kyodor wrote:
I hate tumblers so much I buff their Action stats in the med centre. Its so depressing to see "A Doctor is a Master of Healing wounds" and then watching them heal a tumbler and watch that man in the corner on the bed with 1200 wounds and a disease ticking for masses of wounds as he repeatedly shouts
"Can someone heal my wounds please"
and gets ignored and flooded by:
"Tumbling 4 you plzzz t1p"
Mark my words- buffing the action stats on a tumbler is griefing and if it isn't happening already look for the suspensions and bans to come your way. I spend 1/2 hour of game play in the med center (usually Bestine or Theed) with my MD tag on healing all who show up. Not buffing - healing. I find it cynical that you would greif a tumbler when YOU aren't spending your time healing "the masses". About the only time --very rare-- I see another MD in the med center is when they are trolling for AP.
Because I was TKA first a good deal of my medic experience came from running around Fort Tuscan dropping heals, but I am happy to admit that half my points came from tumblers. I LOVE TUBLERS as much as crafters LOVE LOOPING MACROS. I think this claim of people bleeding to death in med centers because all the Novices are healing tumblers is vastly overstated. Heals are heals. My experience is that a wonded palyer coming into a med center tends to be patched up and off to the strip club in a very few minutes.
In short get on with the game and stop trying to make it harder for everyone who is coming up after you.
UEK
Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:42 am
#16
Ashine wrote:
"I'm so utterly sick and tired of going into a medical center, finding plenty of doctors, and none of them give you the time of day because they're too busy healing someone who's tumbling."
As a doctor I suggest that if going into the medical center makes you sick, don’t go in anymore.
"Medics and doctors, you have to start doing your job."
While you may see this as your “job” I certainly don’t see it as mine.
"If the only reason you became a doc was to buff, give up the profession."
If the only reason you play the game is to criticize how others play it, give up the game.
/bow
NiViK
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:30 am
#17
Ok I know people are gonna blow up at me but here it goes...
Maybe....just maybe...
We as docs should have the courtisy, if we are gonna do tumblers..to do them upstairs. So when players come into the main room...they dont see 5 docs and no one willing to heal them.
Again, this is jsut a suggestion. I would like to know what servers all of you are on so I can stay the hell away from them. My doc is on Chalistra...and I have yet to have a buff skip, a /tell dude buff me, or any of the nastiness most of you complain about. I have to say that being a doc on Chil has been a rather pleasent experance...unlinke how it seems for a lot of you. I have even gotten several invites to orgs(since I can dance/music and doc buff).
Again maybe as a courtisy...if you are gonna be tumbling....move it upstairs. Like we went thru in other posts reciently...Everyone(Docs and patients) seem to need some help in the attitude dept. and it has to start somewhere....why not us???
Don_T_Shoot
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:42 am
#18
The biggest problem with med centers is that I only found healthy people there when I was working on becoming Master Doctor. Healing tumblers to pass the time waiting for truly wounded people to come in got boring fast and not enough XP, but if that's how people want to play it, what's it to you?
I had more fun chasing down foolz with all black HAM's in starports with my med droid in tow, got better XP than damage healing, and got tipped more often than I expected. That worked for me, but again, what's it matter to you?
People who ignore healing wounds because they are fixated on healing tumblers are missing out on good XP and some of the social aspect of the game. It's their loss, but again, why would I care and why would you?
I had more fun chasing down foolz with all black HAM's in starports with my med droid in tow, got better XP than damage healing, and got tipped more often than I expected. That worked for me, but again, what's it matter to you?
People who ignore healing wounds because they are fixated on healing tumblers are missing out on good XP and some of the social aspect of the game. It's their loss, but again, why would I care and why would you?
Shil
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:59 am
#19
Well...I don't think because I can buff or cure or heal I necessarily should. I don't see the protectors of the galaxy (jedi) helping me out. I got doctor so I could heal myself..and those I choose too.
RedAnubis
Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:31 am
#20
captenjonny wrote:
Kyodor wrote:
I hate tumblers so much I buff their Action stats in the med centre. Its so depressing to see "A Doctor is a Master of Healing wounds" and then watching them heal a tumbler and watch that man in the corner on the bed with 1200 wounds and a disease ticking for masses of wounds as he repeatedly shouts
"Can someone heal my wounds please"
and gets ignored and flooded by:
"Tumbling 4 you plzzz t1p"
Mark my words- buffing the action stats on a tumbler is griefing and if it isn't happening already look for the suspensions and bans to come your way. I spend 1/2 hour of game play in the med center (usually Bestine or Theed) with my MD tag on healing all who show up. Not buffing - healing. I find it cynical that you would greif a tumbler when YOU aren't spending your time healing "the masses". About the only time --very rare-- I see another MD in the med center is when they are trolling for AP.
Because I was TKA first a good deal of my medic experience came from running around Fort Tuscan dropping heals, but I am happy to admit that half my points came from tumblers. I LOVE TUBLERS as much as crafters LOVE LOOPING MACROS. I think this claim of people bleeding to death in med centers because all the Novices are healing tumblers is vastly overstated. Heals are heals. My experience is that a wonded palyer coming into a med center tends to be patched up and off to the strip club in a very few minutes.
In short get on with the game and stop trying to make it harder for everyone who is coming up after you.
Enhancingonly action or health stat on a tumbler is prefered as it allows the Doc in question to gain XP quicker and use Stim D/E for the healing.
Enhancing the regen stats of the tumbler could be considered a form of griefing.
Doc trolling for AP in a med centre, would that not be the 1st place a Doc seeking AP would venture? Train the Docs using the tumblers for XP.
UrraKerri
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:57 am
#21
as a doc I know I don't always have the cure/heal packs on me... when I am buffing I carry them but otherwise what I have is MY supply for when I am hunting... should I heal you feel greatful but don't expect it... if you want a garaunte that you'll be healed break open the lock on the ole' bank account from the countless janta/mokk missions and offer a tip prior to demanding service... you'll find many Docs, myself included, won't except it but it shows respect for our time and profession to be made the offer... if my "job" is to heal you as you so put it then I should be paid for my "job"... wanna see it get nuts... what if??? docs got together and charged the prices that would generate a profit like your jantas do... you'd pay 20-25K per buff which is still made in 3 minutes on dant...
Catjusha
Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:54 pm
#22
There seems to be a good element to this tumbling story. I spent some time in the med center in Coronet today andactually got tips *gasp* and thank you's *more gasps* from players I healed 
For those who wish to tell the Medic / Doc players how to play. Pay them a salary and their montly SWG fee. Only then you have a right to tell them what to do. I was opposed to tumbling in the beginning too, but have come to the conclusino that "live and let live" is the best way we can get along.
Cat
DoogieHozer
Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:16 pm
#23
It's funny how this type of thread (and the thread about the rates doctors charge for enhances) is virtually resurrected every week.
Given that there is no permadeath for characters there is no social obligation on Doctors to provide service. Being a Doctor is merely another profession, like Pistoller, or Armorsmith, that provides some particular service to the community.
My favorite character regularly tours Med Centers and generally heals wounds on anyone there for free, but that is consistent with the In Character (IC) behavior. On occasion the character will even enhance a noob or Imperial for free, and has (for this and other reasons) built a smallish following of dedicated members that provide most of the hard-to-obtain resources. Certainly the character doesn't rely on these as sources of income... it is far too boring (most people don't roleplay) and unprofitable to run a business that way, compared to the other options.
--doogie
Given that there is no permadeath for characters there is no social obligation on Doctors to provide service. Being a Doctor is merely another profession, like Pistoller, or Armorsmith, that provides some particular service to the community.
My favorite character regularly tours Med Centers and generally heals wounds on anyone there for free, but that is consistent with the In Character (IC) behavior. On occasion the character will even enhance a noob or Imperial for free, and has (for this and other reasons) built a smallish following of dedicated members that provide most of the hard-to-obtain resources. Certainly the character doesn't rely on these as sources of income... it is far too boring (most people don't roleplay) and unprofitable to run a business that way, compared to the other options.
--doogie
hambokc7mrp
Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:10 pm
#24
you guys have to rember there are like 3 types of docs.
the buff bots who craft or buy there buff packs and then sit in cnet and buff all comers.
ther you have the grinders for one reason or another there goal is to make a specific
level of doc then move to something else and anything that slows that down is in there way.
why heal your woulds for like 100xp when they can heal the tumbler for 400
then you have the real docs, the pride of there profession.
they take very good care of there guild and team/groupmates.
they will get there butts shot off trying to drag you out of harms way.
they will have a hord of extreemly good buffs for there friends(been hit with a 3k buff latly?)
and will often have lower level buffpacks to free buff noobs
they will train others with no questions ask unless some one nearby needs the points.
you have to rember fora full master doc things like xp are a thing of the past it no longer concerns us.
which is a shame by the way.
faction points ha! I have never gotten a single faction point for healing when you fighter types are mowing down the stoorm troopers
like so much grass and your yelling for the doc or medic to toss ya a heal or clear a state and the FP is just rolling in, the doc is getting nothing.
when your guild doc goes on the hunts or raids with you, think about it, what does he really get from the trip.
almost no loot,maybe a share of the looted credit that may end up with enough to pay for the shuttle ride and cloning.
there is really no means for the group to protect there docsso ingroup we face all the same dangers and with much less armor and much less combat defence butwe're the ones sneeking back into the night sister cave to rez and heal the half of the group that did not make it out. with no one to do the same for us if we should fall. (been there done that)
yet we suffer the samedecay to our lesser armor.
I once herd some one complane that they were tired of paying 10k for 2300 point buffs and were voting for a buff nerf and i was thinking that if he screems about 10k 2300 point buff lines then he will prob be really screeming about 10k 500 point buff lines.
Luciee_Depri
Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:24 pm
#25
IlyaMasool wrote:
Jagged-F3l wrote:
I'm so utterly sick and tired of going into a medical center, finding plenty of doctors, and none of them give you the time of day because they're too busy healing someone who's tumbling. Medics and doctors, you have to start doing your job. If the only reason you became a doc was to buff, give up the profession.
I KNOW!!! There are tons of people around who have no idea what their duty is!
I was running to my harvesters. And I see that nest has spawned near it so I can't get to my harvester without getting hit. But what luck is this?!? I see a pistoleer riding by on his bike! so I called out to him
"Yo! Pistoleer! come here and do your duty! take that nest out!"
Well that lame-o pistoleer just drove by! The NERVE!
I managed to empty out them harvester and headed to starport to hop on a shuttle to head to the Theed, and I saw a chef waiting on line. So I said
"Hey chef! Do your duty and cook me a Bespin port!"
But that chef goes on and on about how he don't have the right ingredient at the moment and blah blah blah. Well he is chef! he supposed to have all his stuff together right? I mean you expect every doctor to carry around every wound pack and every heal pack and every buff pack and every innoc pack and so on true?
And things got worse and worse! I was at cantina expecting to get a mind buff. But them dancers and musicians completely ignored me! They should do their duty and buff my mind!
I don't know what is going on here. The game is deteriating my the minute!
Most of these knuckle head don't think that when they are capable of doing something, it is their duty to do that whenever someone demand them of performing that skill! what kind of injustice is that! You can do something, I ask you to do that, then it is their DUTY to do just that regardless of their desire to do that or not! Right?
Ugg... I just about had it. But whatcha gonna do. life goes on.
Thank you! 
I was thinking about just this sort of thing exactly!
I was thinking about just this sort of thing exactly!
OhrenIshi
Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:29 pm
#26
I can only speak for my own experiances. I have worked on Doctor on 2 diffrent servers and on both server I ran into same issue. As of now I will only buff myself and that of my friends because I never got a thankyou or so much as a kind word from anyone other than GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE.
I have seen some whine and complaine that I am not RP'ing a proper Doctor and my response IC is that I am a private Doctor and they cannot afford my services, but frankly OOC why would I bother healing someones wounds and damage if they are just gonna be snotty and run off without even a /smile or /thank like that is all that hard to do.
Few weeks ago I was bored and decided to be nice and do a Public buff session at the Mining Outpost and when I say down and started annoncing that I would Buffing for the public. All I got was grief beggers whining and moaning about the 10k price i was asking for 2500 3hour buffs. I also had people that decided they were going to dual right on top of my head so at that point I announced i was closing the line and finished off the rest and left.
For the next 15 mins I was bombarded with /tells from about 20 people begging for buffs and whining that I left etc... Needless to say a Doctor no matter the server does not get the apprication it takes to Master both Medic and Doctor as well as collect and produce thier own packs and heals.
Sad thing is I love being the healer type and helping out those in need but why would I bother doing something that would give me no appreciation. I never ask for tips when i heal wounds or fatigue and I always give Entertainer's free Action buffs because I know how much of a pain it is to stop dancing to rest. I can honestly say that a dancer that gets a buff has always been 120% appreciative for the assistance which is why i continue to do it.
So for those who read that that are not doctor's if you ever wish for this trend to change you need to start showing appreciation to all the Doc's on your server or you will find that it will be nearly impossible to find them. Like today I logged onto my server to go check on my havestors I saw count them 0 doctors on doing any buffing for nearly 4 hours from server up. Tho 3 or 4 weeks ago 8am est rolled around there would always be 2 or 3 Docs in Coranet buffing the earlybirds and the europeans that came on after sever reset.
<steps off her soap box>