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Thread: let me make it easy for the idiots
FishPaste
Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:25 pm
#14
Dude, I don't care about your post, I was just using your thread as a base to get my thoughts out.
"Then go post somewhere else FishPaste" I didn't do it first 1, and 2 maybe sometime I will.
Btw, cyberbob, I hope you weren't talking to me.
Message Edited by FishPaste on 07-16-2004 06:26 PM
ShakariPsy
Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:54 pm
#15
CyberBob123 wrote:
DKora wrote:
Mabye its cause you are DESTROYING THE DOCTOR BUFFING BIZ?!?!?!?!? Peeps sellin 2200 buffs for 10k ARE the morons!!! Its been said before but I can say it again. Peeps get buffed for around 3 hours....in that time they can EASILTY make upwards of 250k!!! so charging even FIFTY K for a 2200 buff would be almost GIVING it away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn I hate peeps who ruin a good market..sheesh. (and by the way...grammatically...you need help)
That was well thought out.....Many docs are with him, it doesnt matter how much you can make during the buff time! Not everybody runs janta missions when they are buffed, some pvp so how exactly do they make any money doing that? The most I have ever asked for my buffs is 10k, which was on a remote planet and I didnt feel like doing it but they payed so I did.
Dont bash on somebody'sgramatical errors when obviously you need help yourself, re-read that post!
if your doing PvP only and hope to getanywherethen u have LOTS of cash for the required weps, attatchments etc thus can afford even 50K buffs
otherwise I agree
Message Edited by ShakariPsy on 07-17-2004 03:02 AM
CyberBob123
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:16 pm
#16
ShakariPsy wrote:
If your doing PvP only and hope to getanywherethen u have LOTS of cash for the required weps, attatchments etc thus can afford even 50K buffs
and also since when didn't AS's or chefs sell there products for as much as they can get??? huh they always do.... if they can why shouldn't we doc's do the same???
Message Edited by ShakariPsy on 07-17-2004 03:01 AM
If they need so much cash for those attatchments and weapons and they buy them how do they have money left?
There is a difference between as much as you can get and price gouging! Im done with this thread have fun guys
Expedience
Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:18 pm
#17
I don't buff people in Coronet anymore. If I were to I would charge 50k or more. Concidering I'me a master swordsman also, I can run 30k mokk missions until I get sick of it and so can anyone else unless they are a noob. My record is 1.2 mill in a 3 hour buff. So even at 50k it's a bargain.
Takami-Kos
Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:43 pm
#18
Heheh. I find this interesting
I'm not a Master Doctor so I don't know much about all this, but I do know that by buffing for 10k, with a buff set taking, say, 2 minutes? (with the time it takes for the next person to get to you etc.etc.) Thus it's 50k in 10 minutes right? So possibly, theoratically(sp?) you can make 300k an hour? That's only considering 10k per set, wich you seem to think is outrageously(sp? again i know lol) low. What about a guy that kills NS all day? Gets a loot worth 5 mills, what about him? And what about the Geo Lab campers? And those who do the Corvette? What about those who do Themeparks etc etc. From where i stand this is PURE GREED!
Nothing else. " If someone else is making money, i should too"
I do not agree with u. I'm sorry
(to anyone confused this was a reply to DKora, but to the public as well)
Best Regards
Takami Kos
RebRifle
Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:58 pm
#19
Just wondering what ya gus think about the new people who just start a char, ya saying they can make 250k in an hour. Ya ha for someoen just starting out. i Remember i restarted a char in this game. With the inflation i couldn't even afford a decent rifle. Took me an hour of grinding just to buy a god dam laser rifle. Not to mention that others cost into the 100k if not millions. Those guys who make 250k an hour are masters in there combat profession. I in my new char make mabe 120k a day, i can't even afford Composite armor to do those 32k missions so please stop telling me what i can earn in an hour. I am hoping so bad that cm's get the inoculations now.
Greenbulb
Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:07 pm
#20
Quoteing people (i lost the names but people will know their own wrighting i guess). I mean..why do Doctors haved to repeat very good points in a diffrent way? Anyways Combat people are deeper into the Greed zone then Doctors. I'll charge what ever i Damn want on buffs for my time and effort.ok now..READ!
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It's very hard to collect 60,000 units of herbivore meat and 45,000 units of avian to make 4 crates of each enhance pack on each run, not to mention all the other rare resources you need from all across the galaxy. Also, the other crafters in the game have a single line of artisan as a prereq, which gives them surveying, while we have to master medic and cannot survey without artisan. It takes docs 63 more skill points than other crafters to become self sufficient harvester/crafters. We also have only two sellable items; Stim-B's and Enhances, so we do need to charge what we can for them.
Crafting is no easier from one trade to another. I don't know where people get the idea that one is "easier" than the other, making mid range weapons and armour is as easy as mid range meds.
Yes people can survive without buffs, they know it but they don't want to have to group unbuffed to kill what they can solo buffed. Greed is the driving force, not of the doctors however. Well maybe some but most charge 10k, which IMO is undercharging ass from that price you cover the cost of:
- buying(as most starters do) buff packs
- buying bivoli
- buying havla(some use this)
- cover the expenses of stims/wound packs that people think grow on trees
- covering the stockpile of resources(for future crafting)
- covering the start up cost of getting BE clothes to buff
- the cost of skill tapes for crafting
- the apron for crafting
- my gross amount of time sitting there serving other while they get returns 100x greater than mine.
why do I buff again?
As it stands I rarely public buff, I do buff people in my group and friends. Most of the time in public things go like this...receive tell, answer to price, receive complaint, refund cash, /pointat other doctor, /tell enjoy, /addignore.
Buffing is more stressful than my real job! You are getting tells at the rate of 1 per second asking your prices/stats/what place in line...etc
Yes people can survive without buffs, they know it but they don't want to have to group unbuffed to kill what they can solo buffed. Greed is the driving force, not of the doctors however. Well maybe some but most charge 10k, which IMO is undercharging ass from that price you cover the cost of:
- buying(as most starters do) buff packs
- buying bivoli
- buying havla(some use this)
- cover the expenses of stims/wound packs that people think grow on trees
- covering the stockpile of resources(for future crafting)
- covering the start up cost of getting BE clothes to buff
- the cost of skill tapes for crafting
- the apron for crafting
- my gross amount of time sitting there serving other while they get returns 100x greater than mine.
why do I buff again?
As it stands I rarely public buff, I do buff people in my group and friends. Most of the time in public things go like this...receive tell, answer to price, receive complaint, refund cash, /pointat other doctor, /tell enjoy, /addignore.
Buffing is more stressful than my real job! You are getting tells at the rate of 1 per second asking your prices/stats/what place in line...etc
Buffs are an essential service to roughly 70-85% of the player population. (the exception of course being the crafters)
All buffs should be free! And Docs should just tip everyone they buff 10K for allowing themselves to be buffed, now thats only fair! /HEAVY SARCASM HA, you pleople should listen to yourselves. I Wish so hard, that you all would listen to me. If all Docs decided to ban together and not sell ANY or give ANY buffs for 1 week, you would ALL know what I'm talking about. THEY NEED US. We are not the pissants they make us out to be. If WSs go one strike for a week, no biggy, weapons last Months. Docs going on strike would KILL the economy. Some of you have no clue what we are worth. Think of what would happen if there were no Docs buffing anymore for just one mesely week and then tell me what you think is a fair price. 3-5K for 2400 pwr buffs, uh huh, you are they type of people who are ruining doc for the rest of us. *wine* But I make money off of that *wine* Ok, well if each buff costs you 2K, then you can sell them for 2001 creds and make money. Try that and tell me how you don't want to charge that little. But why, you are still making a profit?
I am sick and tired of being treated like a boot licking servant on Chilestra. I'm not a peon, I'm not your slave. There are the few rare gems of people of the bunch, but too far between. I have had it fully with buffing for money. I make a heck of a lot more buffing myself and running rancor missions as a Rifleman then selling buffs. I never wear my tag unless it is a few seconds after I log in, and need to turn it off again. And if someone reads my profile, sees Im a doc, and wants buffs, I tell them Im running missions and they had better give me a darn good offer to stop. 20K is min for them to get me to stop.
God this enrages me. Its one thing for the jerks of the galaxy who arent docs to attack us for prices. Then it just drives me over the edge that there are undercutters, see my previous post on this thread, and Docs who treat other docs like dirt as well. If we cant treat each other civily and have some loose alliance how are we ever going to function properly as a profession? The SWG economy is modeled after and supposed to mirror the current economy. WHERE IN THE NAME OF VADER DO YOU SEE ONE DOC DOING BRAIN SURGERY FOR $100,000 AND ANOTHER DOC WITH THE SAME ABILITY IT DOING FOR $10,000? Maintaining prices, thought they may change SLIGHTLY and SLOWLY, is crucial for a stable economy. And some docs out there are killing it.
I suggest you guys do the same as me. Leave the buff bot life and do combat. Buff yourself and do missions. Then when all the Docs are doing that and everyone else is crying "where have all the docs gone, we need buffs" Then they MIGHT start treating us with respect, and perhaps Docs could be civil to one another then.
We strive to have better buffs,you say who cares? well its a pain to have as many complaints as possible,INfact WITH better buffs i never got any complaints because of sucky buffs(people that are rude complain i guess..),Its hard enough dealing with 5 people /telling you at the same time,while buffing a guy and people around asking "how much?" and a crowd,big or small waiting on every second for each stat i give this person while going to the next person and i forgot about 1 or 2 people so i had to skip (because them,then THEY complain about it and i haved to say "yes i know you paid" while the next fellow wanting to die so i can rez,i get a tef while rezing,wow in the cloneing center (NO wonder most people don't carry disease and wounds packs to heal you,i do but its a freaking pain!)
i get healed go back pay people for time-loss,start again in the same spot,haveing to move because a speeder bike is on your nerves,take out your driod,wait on the next person to come up,they ask for the buff,they pay
my driod runs out of batterys i haved to search though my backpack for batterys,more people /tell i haved to tell them where i am at,what stats my buffs are and how much my buffs cost (typeing as fast as i can and having to repeat myself because i mistyped) i fanilly get my battery and feed my driod,i forgot to put on Bivoli i gave him a full-sucky buff,i feel bad cus i could have given him better,while trying to keep track of who paid,who is coming over to find me and /telling people best i can without loseing my temper. Sound hard or just a bad day? well i do that everytime i buff for some Odd HOURS and just about every single thing i said happens everyotime i start to buff for your hunting habit (or what ever you need buffs for) i MAY not get a tef and die though,everytime i buff i mean,So people were saying how hard it is to get Avain meat? heh
i get healed go back pay people for time-loss,start again in the same spot,haveing to move because a speeder bike is on your nerves,take out your driod,wait on the next person to come up,they ask for the buff,they pay
my driod runs out of batterys i haved to search though my backpack for batterys,more people /tell i haved to tell them where i am at,what stats my buffs are and how much my buffs cost (typeing as fast as i can and having to repeat myself because i mistyped) i fanilly get my battery and feed my driod,i forgot to put on Bivoli i gave him a full-sucky buff,i feel bad cus i could have given him better,while trying to keep track of who paid,who is coming over to find me and /telling people best i can without loseing my temper. Sound hard or just a bad day? well i do that everytime i buff for some Odd HOURS and just about every single thing i said happens everyotime i start to buff for your hunting habit (or what ever you need buffs for) i MAY not get a tef and die though,everytime i buff i mean,So people were saying how hard it is to get Avain meat? heh
RebRifle
Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:30 pm
#21
OH i can understand the need to break even and make a small profit i am talking about those who are price gouging for teh sake of greed. I also agree that recources cost to much which is just inflating our economy and just keep inflating it. Prices are getting to high in every field.
Greenbulb
Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:03 pm
#22
prices will go higher probably to go on strike from Rangers also.
i'm thinking of priceing my buffs to 17k just to see how everyone whould react. oh what joy that will be 
Sevardos
Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:42 pm
#23
RebRifle wrote:
Just wondering what ya gus think about the new people who just start a char, ya saying they can make 250k in an hour. Ya ha for someoen just starting out. i Remember i restarted a char in this game. With the inflation i couldn't even afford a decent rifle. Took me an hour of grinding just to buy a god dam laser rifle. Not to mention that others cost into the 100k if not millions. Those guys who make 250k an hour are masters in there combat profession. I in my new char make mabe 120k a day, i can't even afford Composite armor to do those 32k missions so please stop telling me what i can earn in an hour. I am hoping so bad that cm's get the inoculations now.
If you're just starting out, you don't need buffs. Period. No argument. Once you get up a few levels so that you're getting the higher missions, it would still only take 3 or 4 missions to get 10K - 12K. As well, it's unreasonable to think that a new player needs to have all the best equipment from day 1. This isn't an FPS game, it's a MMPRPG and progression is part of the game design. If people find that difficult to grasp or accept, then this is the wrong game genre for them (I'm not mocking anyone with this statement, simply stating a fact - not everyone enjoys the same types of games - I personally dislike FPS genre-type games as an example).
Buffs are only a benefit / requirment once you reach the elite combat skills - because of the mobs you need to kill. At that point, you're getting 3K to 5K missions (give or take). Only a fool would argue that paying 12 even 15K for buffs is unreasonable considering the benefits you get. Buff pricesare not the barrier ingetting that next uber rifle.
Farcaster007
Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:03 am
#24
Exactly, Str8. You could sit and buff people and make X amount of credits. Or you could go hunt on Dantooine and make X times 2 credits. Without listening to the bitching and moaning.
To the original poster: You, sir, are a macro-grinding, impatient, money-grubbing, ungrateful buff-monkey. I hate you and those like you. You didn't earn CRAP. You get your enhance packs for next to nothing, invested minimal time and effort to become a "Doctor", and provide the Doctor community with nothing.
Ekatha Jes, MD. Serving the public good as Master Doctor since July 25th, 2003.
zenon-
Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:26 am
#25
well i just started charging 20k on flurry. Why well I can personally make 800k to 1 million with a 3 hr buff.
If you do not like get out of my line. It was funny everyone left my line when a 10k doc appeared but they had to wait for 30 minutes.
Personally my time is not worth waiting. another 10k big deal u cheap azzes.
If you do not like get out of my line. It was funny everyone left my line when a 10k doc appeared but they had to wait for 30 minutes.
Personally my time is not worth waiting. another 10k big deal u cheap azzes.
Phonelesscord
Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:05 am
#26
I see it this way: I charge 10k, i make 4k per person (about 1k resource cost per use with six stats, so 6k resource cost aand 4k profit when charing 10k). But if I charge 20k, i only get 1/3 of the buisness due to 10k docs, but i still get more money then him.
I make 14k per buff set, rather than the usual 4k, making well over the 1/3rd buisness cap. and that means I have more packs leftover when im done and thats less rsources I have to buy in the long run.