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kelthuzad

Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:26 pm

You ever seen the Looking for Group spam in EQ? Because the Devs aren't going to make it any easier for you to run roughshod over the entire game alone than it is right now. More nerf crying will only lead to more crying later.

Since you oozed your way in here, read around a little. The reason it's getting so tough to find and get buffs quickly is because the Doctors are tired of people's crap and we can all make better money doing something else. The Docs who can make packs, usually make thier money doing so, the rest of us use those packs to run missions.

I've already reported two cretins for tipping me for no apparent reason and then cursing me out when I didn't snap-to and start buffing them.

Master Doctors are no different from the other Service Industry Masters. If one even acknowledges your existence you should be grateful and express such to them. If choose not to help you at that time, you should apologize for bothering them. If they do help you, you should shower praise upon them for their efforts, and tip well. There's a big difference between SWG's Service Industry and the real life Service Industry. Real service professionals are paid to put up with your crap, SWG service professional pay money in order to be able to put up with your crap.

Maximum_Overload maybe you should read the post righton top of yours.

That doc was spamming that they were giving buffs. The onlyother person that was around said doc wasanother guy who was tryin to get his credits back fromthem.

And that little comment about oozing in here? C'mon man don't be obtuse. If youwant to cryhow hard it is tobe a doc, don't be one.

Master Docs are some of the best paid players in the community. AND probably 70% of the docs in the community became docs because they wanted tomake good credits and be able to heal themselves with really good stims.Don't attack me becasue you have some misdirected hostility towards people wanting buffs.

Oh yeah, and for information, giving your opinion is not "crying for nerfs". And another thing... who cares about EQ. Contrary to popular belief, it's not the basis of comparison, or the end all be all MMO. I

I swear, every new MMO I try out I have to hear from these damn EQ zealots telling people that things can't be like this, because look at EQ...

/sigh

Change is good. I wish a different company had of gotten the liscense to do Star Wars Online.

kelthuzad

Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:29 pm

#15

I beg to differ. Almost all of the content is geared towards players who have mastered a combat profession. You can't do the Death watch bunker without a mstered combat profession, you can't do the geonosian lab without a mastered profession.

Some people aren't in a guild and can't get goups on a regualr basis. Pick up groups are rare in SWG.

And all this holier than thou crap coming from all these doctors is really bothering me.

It's not an issue of wether or not a player thinks they deserve or need buffs.

The issue is if you are gonna have a master doctor title showing and you are spamming 2400 to 6 stats for 10k lasts 3hrs. Send tip to get in line., there is no way in hell that you are in the right if you take someones 10k, don't give them a refund and proceed to ignore them.

I wish you people would stop homing in on one certain part and pasing judgement.

At first I was blowing off steam. Now I see that too many of you are like minded. This is rediculous.

vortexala

Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:46 pm

#16

You got screwed out of your money. Should've reported him.

As for why people are focusing in on the whole 'need buffs to play' idea, it's because they feel it is simply untrue and they'd like to voice their thoughts on that matter the same as you did regarding your stolen creds.

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OnlyMaestro

Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:36 am

#17

Every game involving big-game hunting requires buffs. =P

SWG is the only game where your base stats never increase. (except UO for the most part)

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Unique_Handle

Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:00 am

#18

Happened to me once, I got tipped while standing at the ticket collector waiting for shuttle (forgot to take my master doc tag off).
There's like 1min left until shuttle, and I don't like buffing people (its just tooo boring), so I sent him a tell saying: "thanks for the tip, don't know why you gave it to me, but free money is always nice".

He asked if I was going to buff him, I said no.
He asked if I was going to give him his money back, I said no and added him to ignore (I could guess what was going to follow).

About 4hours later, just before I logged, I banktipped him his money back (only because I felt nice, part of me felt like tipping it to a n00b instead, just because he didn't deserve his money back).

So, if the doc that was tipped was spamming out "uber buffs blah blah, 10K blah blah" the yeah, you should get your money back.
If he wasn't spamming, then I totally understand why he didn't return the money.

AngelofWar87

Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:34 am

#19

Awesome, another full-fledged debate that Lymof can shoot his mouth off at...

First, I wish to make a statement that you may flame but cannot deny if you qualify:

The this is not, I repeat not, a game that is dependant upon BUFFS. If you actually played when the game was released or in Beta [and veterans would agree with me on this] you would understand why it is not. Buffs did not even APPEAR until late Octobor/early novemeber in even some sort of demand, and even then it was a "Awesome man, spice with no downers! Now I can...better help my group." This dependancy upon buffs is NOT the games dynamics but the PLAYERS belief that they need these to survive. This game was NOT suppose to dependant on 80% Composite [sorry but someone had to say it] and buffs neither. This game WAS meant to be evolvedaround mostly group-oriented situations where, if you wanted to take a Krayt or Rancor, you had to be in a group. You wanted to take at-st? Get in a group. There was no "/Shout Looking for solo ER group, send pwnx0r tells!", it was "/shout Looking for a group to take on some Night Sinisters [or] Rancors!". And when the person wanted to Solo, he would go out to the graveyard on Tatooine or Dantooine if he was feeling lucky or a tough Melee or BH profession. All this 'I need roxx0r buffs to pwnz0r r4nc0rs" came around when holos came and by this time, most veterans [at least the ones that I know] left, creating a new situation in which these players had no influence from, so they went with that works. Thats all it is to most players, what works. This, however, is still SOE's fault for creating this [I was gonna say monogomy...I'm tired lol.] atmosphere. So, now that Lymof has set you straight, on to the real debate.

...Actually, I forgot what I wanted to say...still tired. Well, have fun!

0Lymof0

AngelofWar87

Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:40 am

#20

Sorry, the above has many typos and grammatical errors now that I look at it. Please ignore these, Lymof is extremely tired and has forgotten how to edit.

bubbles1

Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:25 am

#21

KamaKuro wrote:

But isn't a long grind part of the game design?

I leveled and mastered Bounty Hunter over the course of 5 months without a single buff..

Took a long time? Yes.. Worth it? Every last damn minute.. I felt like I really accomplished something..

My opinion is dependence on a fast grind to get to master level as fast as possible has gotten too out of hand..

I mastered Bh in 2 weeks was it worth it no

ShakariPsy

Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:33 am

#22

Songe wrote:

Yep I agree too, docs are not machines that you tip to get a buff...

That being said, whoever said we are forced to get buffs to do anything obviously doesn't know what he is saying. It's very possible to do things without buffs, they just help a lot. But it's not different at all from any other RPG that I have played.

I agree I played for 6 months without buffs and managed fine against rancors and stuff like that

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Dene

Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:57 am

#23

When the game launched I decided I was going to be Doctor. I got more than a few laughs about that as many thought I'd be confined to the med center since the Doctor's only "obvious" benefit was the healing of wounds that couldn't be done in the field. Better off being a Combat Medic I was told.

I made Novice Doctor in July and everyone was after me and other Doctors for our wound healing ability. On Starsider we decided to have a gathering of Docs on some house in Tatooine and a big complaint that many of us Docs couldn't fight the worrts and mutant womp rats on the road to the meeting place, a lot of us died.

When I got the ability to "buff", I made a few Buff A paks and threw the +20 health for 20 minute buffs on people at the med center. The most common response was "oh wow is this permanent"? Even in August and September, buffs were looked upon as a luxury and a nice option but not something that had to be.

This was the time it took 10+ people to kill a rancor, not to mention other things. Now days, you get pegged a "loser" if you can't solo a rancor when you are 1/2/4/1 in TKA.

It's an arms race. What was once a luxury option now becomes a necessity. Even with combat balancing coming, it will just go back to zero and climb back up again.

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Rudoku

Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:15 am

#24

vortexala wrote:

You got screwed out of your money. Should've reported him.

Actually, he got double his money back, which makes the whole rant just stupid in the end. And he didn't say anything about the guy shouting abuffing macro at first, so I assumed that he was just one of those "u buff" types.

kelthuzad wrote:

Master Docs are some of the best paid players in the community. AND probably 70% of the docs in the community became docs because they wanted tomake good credits and be able to heal themselves with really good stims.Don't attack me becasue you have some misdirected hostility towards people wanting buffs.

Now that's a damn lie right there, especially if you are in a galaxy with crappy resources.

Steegee

Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:42 am

#25

kelthuzad wrote:

I don't even know where to begin, save that I'm pretty damned outraged right now. I go to coronet to get some docs buffs. I tip this master doc. I wait. I send a few tells. No response. I type some stuff in spatial. I think maybe, this doc is afk. No... I am proved wrong when this person starts chatting in spatial with another player who is trying to get his 10k back from this doc. That guy gets told to go away. I don't get my refund. I send another tell. No response. I report said doc. I go stand in line for buffs from a different doc. After sitting there for about 10 mins. That doc tips me 20k and tells me to go ask the other doc to buff me.

I just logged out. I mean what the hell's the point. You gotta spend near half an hour just to get set up enough to do missions.

Don't you think there was a line? We aren't teller machines... this isn't Burger King where it's your way right away.... We aren't the cable company with On Demand service.

Where i will agree is that they (the Devs) have made it harder to level with the changes they have made. Before people had pets, and novice medic... we had good probots, or spammed KD attacks. All those have been nerfed/balanced/changed. Now you need a brain to level and patience. Use threating shot/surpressive fire ... warcry.... etc etc. And frankly i like it this way. Combat revamp will put things right again.

No one is making you get buffs, there's plenty of good foods you can get to help you level. Go visit the Chef forums and look them up.

You think this game is set too slow to master profs? Try EQ where a boat ride alone used to be 20min one way.... not including the 20min wait if you miss it. You don't like to waste time? I think you should go back to fps games where the action is instant.

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Songe

Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:45 am

#26

kelthuzad wrote:

Master Docs are some of the best paid players in the community. AND probably 70% of the docs in the community became docs because they wanted tomake good credits and be able to heal themselves with really good stims.Don't attack me becasue you have some misdirected hostility towards people wanting buffs.

Oh yeah, and for information, giving your opinion is not "crying for nerfs". And another thing... who cares about EQ. Contrary to popular belief, it's not the basis of comparison, or the end all be all MMO. I

I swear, every new MMO I try out I have to hear from these damn EQ zealots telling people that things can't be like this, because look at EQ...

That's wrong. Lots of docs can't even afford buff packs and even less good resources. 70% of the docs are buff bots if anything, so they can buff their alt. Any elite combat class will make much more money than a doc in the same time, if the doc is buffing, without having to worry about idiots and having to invest money in anything but their weapons.

For the comparison with EQ, well it's one example but I can use the example of Horizons too, which isn't made by SoE, as I don't know DAoC etc... but in both you need buffs if you want to do high end content. Who cares if it's 'the' comparison or not, it's one, are we not allowed to use an example? Yes it could have been another way, but it's not, if you don't like it you can play another game.

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