Doctor Archive
Thread: Idea for Buffing
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Mmaxx
Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:23 am
#14
sounds like your sugestion is to create the ultimate afk buff bot..... try one of the fighting boards if you want to get support for that....or maybe post on the smugler forum the same type of thing. A vendor or bot that slices for you..... I find it harder to get a weapon sliced then to locate a buffing doc all the time. That would save me some inconvience and belittle that prof at the same time as well.
Harleqiun
Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:44 am
#15
Mmaxx wrote:
sounds like your sugestion is to create the ultimate afk buff bot..... try one of the fighting boards if you want to get support for that....or maybe post on the smugler forum the same type of thing. A vendor or bot that slices for you..... I find it harder to get a weapon sliced then to locate a buffing doc all the time. That would save me some inconvience and belittle that prof at the same time as well.
I fail to see how the "buffbot" idea as you call it belittles the doctor profession.
If docs had the option of selling buffs on a droid or buffing personally it would be better for everyone.
The docs who want to buff personally (for the interaction) could go to Coronet and interact with those players who prefer to see a "live" doctor and interact with them. They'd also have more time to talk as there wouldn't be huge queue's.
The docs who want to make money from buffs could sell them from a "buffbot" while they have fun doing other things, like hunting, crafting, whatever.
Or maybe you think tailors, armoursmiths, weaponsmiths, etc should have to stand around starports aswell instead of having vendors?
Ashine
Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:52 pm
#16
“If docs had the option of selling buffs on a droid or buffing personally it would be better for everyone.”
It most certainly would not be better for everyone. Now as a doctor you have the option to convert your time into credits by public buffing. If this option went away, or was made impractical by the introduction of buff bots, the market for buffs would soon be dominated by a few doctors that could afford to purchase large quantities of expensive resources required to make large quantities of buff packs. New doctors would not have the opportunity to get started by buying buff packs and public buffing.
The reason the lines are so long is that not enough people are willing to invest the skill points and exp required to become a doc, and those that do quickly find more attractive alternatives for making money. To resolve the problem something should be done to make becoming a doctor more attractive rather than making it less desirable as your suggestion does. One way to do this is eliminate the ability to solo everything; return the possibility of getting killed while running a mission. Then docs will be in demand making becoming a doctor more attractive.
flsdhalghjsdflgkshglajh
Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:36 pm
#17
Ashine wrote:
“If docs had the option of selling buffs on a droid or buffing personally it would be better for everyone.”
It most certainly would not be better for everyone. Now as a doctor you have the option to convert your time into credits by public buffing. If this option went away, or was made impractical by the introduction of buff bots, the market for buffs would soon be dominated by a few doctors that could afford to purchase large quantities of expensive resources required to make large quantities of buff packs. New doctors would not have the opportunity to get started by buying buff packs and public buffing.
The reason the lines are so long is that not enough people are willing to invest the skill points and exp required to become a doc, and those that do quickly find more attractive alternatives for making money. To resolve the problem something should be done to make becoming a doctor more attractive rather than making it less desirable as your suggestion does. One way to do this is eliminate the ability to solo everything; return the possibility of getting killed while running a mission. Then docs will be in demand making becoming a doctor more attractive.
I don't see how it would affect any doctors any different. Doctors have to buy droids anyway, so even new doctors could go make money while their droid is selling buffs. You have to have a fair bit of money to start with doctor anyway. If you buybuffs you need around 300K, if you make them you need to buy harvs, run them, etc. Also clothes bivoli, etc. So most doctors have a reasonable amount of money anyway, I'm betting at least 500K, which isn't mega bucks but could easily get you started.
Now I agree doctors should be needed more in combat situatutions, but that is what the rebalance should solve hopfully. Considering were getting all kinds of times for the rebalance (I've heard 3 months -12months), a temporary solution would be a good thing to have.
I was a doctor for about 6 months or so, and only packed inbecause I wanted to try something else. With you needing medic as well the sp's are high and rightly so. I miss doctor don't get me wrong, I wish I could still heal and poisens, diseases and buff myself. I chose to drop it though as I was becoming ever tired of swg and needed to try something new. Not everyone can be a doctor as they want to do other proffessions.
The game needs doctors whether it be my way or the current way. If you want to fight anything interesting you need buffs (not to mention armor and weapons). That being so it is more or less a requirement to play buffed. Some people dont play buffed but I will be a mbh one day and need all my stat points into mind, so I need buffs. I don't mind being so dependant on doctors I just wish we could get buffed much easier than the current system.
It would be better if I heard some ideas from doctors about alternate solutions to my ideas. They may be happy with lines, but most of their customers aren't and so they should think of everyone. You may think I'm the one being selfish wanting this change to a proffessin I don't have, but in the long run its better for the majority of player, if not them all.
Thunderbyte
Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:52 pm
#18
I'll put my 2 cents in here and say that I think that having buff vendors would (in my opinion) be more damaging then good. I believe that SWGs real strength comes from community, and when you compare it to most other MMORPGs I know most people would agree. I approve of the current system as it is (for the most part), not only because it agrees with my play style but also because it promotes player interaction. Personally I'm hoping that the combat balance will bring combat to the level where you don't need buffs as often, but buffs will still be desireable.
It is nice to see players making suggestions instead of just complaining when they don't care for a part of the game, so my hats off for that 
Obata
Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:54 pm
#19
flsdhalghjsdflgkshglajh wrote:
You may very well enjoy buffing and the long lines of unhappy players (or happy for those who like lining up, but i doubt thats anyone). Your entitled to your opinion and everyone likes different things. I know most players would rather not have to q up though. Bare in mind also, your the one at the front of the q receiving the money, and meeting all these players. I used to be in your spot and enjoyed it sometimes, but most of the time it was just a way to make quick money other than mokks/jantas. Now I'm the one stood in the q I see just how bad it is. You should understand that you are probably in the minority liking these q's. Sure doctors may back you up and you will have your support from 1 starers and otherdoctors on this forum. In game it would be all non doctors vs most (but not all) doctors.
I thought I stated very clearly that I am not a starport buffer. I don't buff for money, I make my money selling meds. Please stop try to portray me otherwise.
NiViK
Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:57 pm
#20
Personally, when I public buff...it is to take a break from jantas. I have my buff macros all set up so basically all I do is target the customer and hit one button. The rest of the time I spend shooting the bull with the customers. I do not use a line...I buff by bank tip. (it says that in my spam...which I only spam once every few mins or if someone asks) I have some very funny stories about some of my customers. Point is...not all docs are "Hi..pay me...here are your buffs....kthxbye"
As was brought up in this and many other posts...I make my money doing missions. I buff to coer costs plus a little bit. 10-12k is plenty after all I am relaxing. If prices get all jacked up high..it will effect atitudes. Now I am all for higher than normal prices if you are the only doc buffing...that is supply and demand. And good businessmanship. But to suggest that everyone should charge a set amount...well that smells like greed to me...
Just my humble opinion.
flsdhalghjsdflgkshglajh
Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:25 am
#21
NiViK wrote:
Personally, when I public buff...it is to take a break from jantas. I have my buff macros all set up so basically all I do is target the customer and hit one button. The rest of the time I spend shooting the bull with the customers. I do not use a line...I buff by bank tip. (it says that in my spam...which I only spam once every few mins or if someone asks) I have some very funny stories about some of my customers. Point is...not all docs are "Hi..pay me...here are your buffs....kthxbye"
As was brought up in this and many other posts...I make my money doing missions. I buff to coer costs plus a little bit. 10-12k is plenty after all I am relaxing. If prices get all jacked up high..it will effect atitudes. Now I am all for higher than normal prices if you are the only doc buffing...that is supply and demand. And good businessmanship. But to suggest that everyone should charge a set amount...well that smells like greed to me...
Just my humble opinion.
I didnt mention altering prices of buffs, I said keep them the same. Its the way of issuing them I want to change. Some docs do chat, you know how many have chatted to me since I dropped doc about a month ago?...about 2. Considering I get buffed daily usually thats not many. You are in the minority and its a shame there aren't more docs like you who chat to their customers.
As for the post above, it was not targetted at you just because I replied to you. It was targetted at whoever likes doing it, because if I don't say something right, I get everyone saying, not everyone does that, blah blah, etc.
I see most people who have replied are against it, and thats fair enough. Trouble is people who probably would agree won't read the doctor forums as their not doctors. The reason I posted in this forum was to get the opinions of the proffession this would effect most, although it would have a big impact on a lot of proffessions and issues.
Kingporteus
Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:01 am
#22
Why is it us Doctors get no respect? Buffing droid or Vendor? Give people buffs so they can buff themselves? I'm restraining myself from saying what I really think. It is not an idea worth considering. You plan to take one of the more social aspects of Doctor and give it away so Doctors can spend more time doing other stuff? Muppet, Doctors don't spend all their time buffing. I haven't heard of anyone being screwed by dodgy e-mails for four, five months. People waiting in buff line for 40 mins? Ha ha ha.
Okay, you've been a doctor. Big clap and huggs. Is it so unreasonable to think that things have changed?
flsdhalghjsdflgkshglajh
Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:19 am
#23
Kingporteus wrote:
Why is it us Doctors get no respect? Buffing droid or Vendor? Give people buffs so they can buff themselves? I'm restraining myself from saying what I really think. It is not an idea worth considering. You plan to take one of the more social aspects of Doctor and give it away so Doctors can spend more time doing other stuff? Muppet, Doctors don't spend all their time buffing. I haven't heard of anyone being screwed by dodgy e-mails for four, five months. People waiting in buff line for 40 mins? Ha ha ha.
Okay, you've been a doctor. Big clap and huggs. Is it so unreasonable to think that things have changed?
Things have changed, I used to buff myself, now I have to stand in a, line for ages. Try it, even though your a doc, pretend your not for a week and get buffed by other docs. Its easy for docs not to see the problems as they get all the benefits, the money, the conversations, etc. Surely doctors can be social in other ways other than buffing, can't you?
I'm not just talking about dodgy emails either, some people will say they tipped you via cash and that you must have missed it in all the spam. I also don't know why your laughing about standing in line for 40minutes, picture this 3 docs in coronet buffing. Each has a q of about 30 people in it (very busy time), takes a few minutes per customer as a lot of doctors (at least on gorath), dont use speed enhancing food. Now even at 2 minutes per person thats 1 hours wait for the person at the back of the line, which is where we must all start.
Things may have changed, but I only packed in being adoc about amonth ago at the most, probably more like 2 and half weeks. There have been no patches for doctors in that time, all patches have been jedi orientated, so I can't see how its any different from when I was a doctor.
Instead of saying its not worth considering, think of the game as a whole. Even if a few docs will miss buffing, most players will prefer it, it will reduce lag in major cities by an imense amount, and people can have fun instead of doing their chores (ie standing in a line).
Go ahead and say what you really think, this is what the forums for, although I don't think it will be anything constructive.
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