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Thread: What in God's Name?

moonraker66
Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:21 pm
#14

He's a F'ing idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Styran
Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:39 pm
#15

Look, he was losing money on the deal. From what I have heard from guidies, he has been doing this for a couple of weeks now. Someone asked him why, and He said that he was trying to stop the Buufs from being overpriced.


So he is underpricing them and shortchanging himself? I agree with playing your own style, but when it starts to grief someoneor cause them to lose money and/or time, that is when it gets annoying.


I am not the ricjest in the galaxy. I am a farily poor player, living from day to day. I offer free buffs to people, and help out noobs anyway I can. I am very generous


But I make the trip to Dant. to find this? How am I supposed to get customers compared to that?



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Songe
Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:50 pm
#16

The 'totally undercutting things to stop people from overpricing' symptom has been on my server as well unfortunately, even when people charge a fair price that customers are glad to pay.I'm slowly learningnot to bother arguing with them because they usually don't see the big picture, that yes theyare helping some people butthat they are also devaluating their profession. Thanksfully usually they get bored fast as they realize that the profit they get is not worth the trouble compared to the time required to make the stuff.



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DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:03 pm
#17






Styran wrote:

Look, he was losing money on the deal. From what I have heard from guidies, he has been doing this for a couple of weeks now. Someone asked him why, and He said that he was trying to stop the Buufs from being overpriced.


So he is underpricing them and shortchanging himself? I agree with playing your own style, but when it starts to grief someoneor cause them to lose money and/or time, that is when it gets annoying.


I am not the ricjest in the galaxy. I am a farily poor player, living from day to day. I offer free buffs to people, and help out noobs anyway I can. I am very generous


But I make the trip to Dant. to find this? How am I supposed to get customers compared to that?





HE IS NOT GRIEFING YOU SO QUIT SAYING IT. IT IS HIS TIME, HIS PRODUCT AND HIS DECISION ON WHAT TO PRICE IT. IT IS A FREE ECONOMY YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MAKE MONEY.


IF YOU START A COMPUTER BUSINESS DO YOU EXPECT TO OFFER LOWER PRICES THAN DELL?


NO.


NOW, GO SOMEWHERE THAT PERSON ISN'T AND BUFF THERE AND QUIT CRYING.


ALSO, DO NOT THROW GRIEF AROUND SO LIGHTLY, ALL HE IS DOING IS PLAYING HIS GAME.


YOU SOUND LIKE A CRYBABY AND ITS GETTING OLD.


Boo hoo, I can't charge 50k for buffs because another doctor is charging 1 credit.


Get over it.


Songe
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:19 pm
#18






DarthXanthic wrote:



ALSO, DO NOT THROW GRIEF AROUND SO LIGHTLY, ALL HE IS DOING IS PLAYING HIS GAME.








Well griefers act the same way really, they play the game as they like it without caring about how their action can influence other people's fun.


/shrug



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DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:20 pm
#19






Songe wrote:





DarthXanthic wrote:



ALSO, DO NOT THROW GRIEF AROUND SO LIGHTLY, ALL HE IS DOING IS PLAYING HIS GAME.









Well griefers act the same way really, they play the game as they like it without caring about how their action can influence other people's fun.


/shrug







Marketing and selling your product for the price your deem reasonable is NOT GRIEFING.


You can enjoy the damn game w/o selling your buffs, jesus.

Songe
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:29 pm
#20

Unfortunately, buffs is the first source of income for docs. And don't worry I react the same way when someone starts selling clothes or weapons for half the price of 90% of the other crafters of the server. It can totally ruin their business too. If you overprice, who cares, people don't have to buy your stuff, but if you totally undercutthe other craftersit will affect other people's business, as well as devaluate the profession to the point when the profit won't be worth the effort anymore when you can get 100k in 10 minutes running missions.


I agree that the word 'griefer' is a bit strong, however most of the people who undercut do it on purpose and in this case most of the time it can be considered as griefing towards the other crafters of the same profession.





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DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:33 pm
#21

I work at Best Buy.


During christmas we sell quite a few items below our cost to get people in the store.


We are taking a loss in order to do more business from those customers in the future.


I suppose we are griefing CompUSA?


What about any new business in teh US?


Most fail, why? Because it isn't easy to compete against a business who is already founded (a la Wal-Mart) who get their more product cheaper than a new business can acquire, thus Wal-Mart can sell at a much lower price will still being successful.


Funny, I thought this game was supposed to be a player driven economy, not a player whining one.


You logic about overcharging/undercharging is invalid also, as under your logic, both would be considered griefing, since they lead to a "less than enjoyable" experience to new/poor players.


Styran
Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:34 pm
#22

Whining? I am not whining. I am asking why this player feels that he needs to sell his buffs for less than half of what I have EVER seen on the server. I do not charge 50k per buff. I charge 10k, which is very normal. EVeryonce in awhile, you will see a 15k or an 8k.


Maybe griefing was the wrong word. I will concede on that.


But it is still a pisser that s/he feels the need to do this. What is the purpose of losing all that time and money?


And if you think I am "whining" . . . good for you. You are entitled to your opinion. But don't yell at me. There is no need for all caps.



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DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:24 pm
#23

The caps came at my frustation of the use of the word grief over and over.


Who are you to question his costs?


You sell for 10k, did he mssg you and ask why?


You are no person to tell him the value of his product and service, he is.


Worry about your own.


Marrow1
Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:10 pm
#24

All,


If you want to know how to make cash buffing please read this thread.


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=doctor&message.id=41939&highlight=buffing#M41939


There are many good points by many docs in that thread.


Also if you ever want to make 2x what the guy standing next to you just ask for it. People will pay it. Buffs are the most demanded product in the game. No other product has people standing in endless lines. Back when buffs were 6k I would walk into Coro and yell "M. Doc Buffs 20k, No lines" and before I knew it there was a line.


It is so dam easy to make cash buffing. If yougather all your own resources your costs have not gone up at all yet the price of buffs has doubled in the last few months. It still only costs you about a 1k to buff someone. As a result your profit at 12k a buff is 12x your investment.


I only have 6 or so lots to play with but I make sure I hit every good spawn with all 6 lots. If I miss a good spawn because there are multiple ones at the same time I let a resource vendor know what I want and what I will pay and it is at my door. The key is to get it while it is spawning.


If your buffing for cash and you want to lower your costs just get scout-hunt 1 (costs you 18 skill points) and hunt the crap out of the next good spawn of avian. Don't do anything else but hunt. For that entire week or so just hunt. In the end of that week you will have enough avian to make enough buff packs to last you until the next good spawn and you will have saved yourself more than 50% of the costs.


As compairing my giving a few buffs away well, I think there is an expectation that at 3 am that a person in thier own house should be able to sleep. I do not, however, believe that there is an expectation that as a doc you will be able to make money buffing.


Ifa doc ishaving a hard time making money buffing for cash with the demand as high as it is then I suggest they become a fighter class and just run missions that do not take any buisness savy. As high as the demand is for buffs I could stand in Coro every hour of every day and still not meet the demand. There is no way any doc could impact an entire servers economy when it comes to buffs. Why? becuase the doc can only buff so many people so fast. They have limited output and the demand is much higher than that output.


Times have never been better for docs buffing for cash. The economy has never been as rich as it is now on any server. Also, everyone wants to solo this or that and to do that they must have buffs. You have a entire server hooked on your drug. As soon as the buffie logs in and want to do anything dangerous they do a search for a doc.


It is crazy, but crazy good to be a doc buffing for cash.










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relaxin
Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:43 pm
#25

Songe, I think your first mistake is that anyone is at all obligated to make you feel good, whether it be your profession, your ingame financial situation, your life in general. No one has any reason to make your existence any easier other than yourself. That someone by chance actually does so is just kindness and should induce your gratuity. If you want to improve your situation, recognize that it will be you to do it, not the behavior of anyone else. You don't like how so-and-so handles his business, too bad unless you do something about it. Why whine about the situation? Does it make you feel any better? Remember that you will always find jerks in this life and that complaining is more likely to get your razzed than it will to induce better behavior.
That being said, I do sympathize for the ingame economics of being a doctor in this game. It was my chosen profession and I've kept it since I've started playing this game, but I don't make my cash selling buffs. I find it too stressful dealing with the unruly kiddies who have nothing better to do when waiting for their buffs than to talk trash about how my buffs are bad, how long it's taking to get them done, blah blah blah, let someone else deal with that.
Finally, no one ever said you have to stay being a doctor, you can quit it anytime, so if it's being too much of a burden for you to keep on being a doctor, give it up, only you choose to keep your profession.



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Songe
Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:17 am
#26


Well I'm really sorry for being blunt but the people who are so nice giving out buffs are everything but nice to their fellow docs. They don't need the money, but it doesn't mean that other docs are as rich at them. You don't need to sell buffs to make money? Wonderful! Then don't. At all. Leave a market for the other docs who DO need the money.


/rant off

Message Edited by Songe on 04-29-2004 03:19 PM



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