Doctor Archive
Thread: Is ninja buffing all that bad?
Onohos
Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:12 pm
#14
Udi_C wrote:
could be atumbler, but all you need is a quick db if thats the case and not worth flaming someone over
Exactly what I was thinking.
InfraredXZero
Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:12 pm
#15
That is the most rediculous thing ive heard all day. If I were you I would have buffed every stat he had. Free buffs dont hurt, its not like it matters.
Veehawk
Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:46 am
#16
Free buffs are great, they are free. But here is one situation that has happened to me in the past where it is a real problem. I just found out that my allie's base was under attack and I gathered a crew of several people together to rush to their aid. We went overt at AH and shuttled in to Bestine where there was minimal resistance so we then flew to Talus where the raid was at. Our guild doc was waiting for us atthe starportto buff us with his janta packs to allow for us to have our edge against the supposed AT-ST's at the raid.
Well what do you know? The shuttle is about to leave and I have to grab a ticket to fly out and I ask the doc to come with us and buff us on talus. He then informs me that he can't buff me and yet my ham shows that I am unbuffed. 1300 health and action...w-t-f? A newb doc ninja buffed myself and my crew as we loaded in to gain his much needed xp, he didn't know any better since he was new and I talked to him later. But now my friends are losing turrets and a base is about to be blown and I have to have all of my crew get DB'ed and rebuffed.....ohh...but wait.......now some of the guys are covert because they cloned instead of getting a rez. So now I have several peeps asking me if it is ok to be a gtef player. Several people didn't want to wait on the DB/rez/rebuff so they took off ahead of the group. I opted for the DB/rez/rebuff and showed up with several of my guildies and low and behold we were too late.
This is one of the main reasons as to why ninja buffers are not welcomed. At least ask for concent to see if the person wants a buff. Would you like it if you just spent millions on the latest and greatest weapon and some newb walked up and sliced it for 1% speed? (if the game worked that way of course) I would not be too happy if a smuggler could just ninja slice my currently held weapon in my hands and give me a crappy slice on a multi million credit gun just so that he/she can gain xp. Just ask the people first, ask me and I will always say yes if I am not trying to get janta/high end buffs in the meantime. What if an image designer rearranged your face while you shuttle loaded in?........now I have your attention...hehehehe...or an SWG IRS tax auditer readjusted your bank account and took what he thought was his without even asking.....
Bad_Bad_Leroy
Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:18 am
#17
Veehawk wrote:
Free buffs are great, they are free. But here is one situation that has happened to me in the past where it is a real problem. I just found out that my allie's base was under attack and I gathered a crew of several people together to rush to their aid. We went overt at AH and shuttled in to Bestine where there was minimal resistance so we then flew to Talus where the raid was at. Our guild doc was waiting for us atthe starportto buff us with his janta packs to allow for us to have our edge against the supposed AT-ST's at the raid.
Well what do you know? The shuttle is about to leave and I have to grab a ticket to fly out and I ask the doc to come with us and buff us on talus. He then informs me that he can't buff me and yet my ham shows that I am unbuffed. 1300 health and action...w-t-f? A newb doc ninja buffed myself and my crew as we loaded in to gain his much needed xp, he didn't know any better since he was new and I talked to him later. But now my friends are losing turrets and a base is about to be blown and I have to have all of my crew get DB'ed and rebuffed.....ohh...but wait.......now some of the guys are covert because they cloned instead of getting a rez. So now I have several peeps asking me if it is ok to be a gtef player. Several people didn't want to wait on the DB/rez/rebuff so they took off ahead of the group. I opted for the DB/rez/rebuff and showed up with several of my guildies and low and behold we were too late.
This is one of the main reasons as to why ninja buffers are not welcomed. At least ask for concent to see if the person wants a buff. Would you like it if you just spent millions on the latest and greatest weapon and some newb walked up and sliced it for 1% speed? (if the game worked that way of course) I would not be too happy if a smuggler could just ninja slice my currently held weapon in my hands and give me a crappy slice on a multi million credit gun just so that he/she can gain xp. Just ask the people first, ask me and I will always say yes if I am not trying to get janta/high end buffs in the meantime. What if an image designer rearranged your face while you shuttle loaded in?........now I have your attention...hehehehe...or an SWG IRS tax auditer readjusted your bank account and took what he thought was his without even asking.....
Buffing != slicing or image design, so don't make that comparison. Buffing is temporary and 99% of the time it's useful(the other 1% being tumblers or unbuffed duelers).
Are you aware that you can overwrite alower buff with a higher buff? Maybe your story is from before that fix was put in.
The guy who was stealth buffed and said "please don't do that again" was being perfectly civil, and the stealth buffer should have said, "okay, sorry about that."
Auraveda
Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:12 am
#18
As others have said, the image design comparison is a very poor one since ID is permanent, buffs are not.
I don't see anything wrong with ninja buffing, but I can see how it would bother others.
Perhaps a better solution would be to go to the new player city on Tatooine (Mos Eisley?) and buff all the newbs for XP. They don't have money to pay, and could use any crappy buff you give them, although they may not understand what you're doing. Maybe if you do this you should type up and hot key a macro that spits out an explanation of what you are doing.
I don't see anything wrong with ninja buffing, but I can see how it would bother others.
Perhaps a better solution would be to go to the new player city on Tatooine (Mos Eisley?) and buff all the newbs for XP. They don't have money to pay, and could use any crappy buff you give them, although they may not understand what you're doing. Maybe if you do this you should type up and hot key a macro that spits out an explanation of what you are doing.
Caynnor
Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:20 am
#19
I was offering buffs to someone I was talking to at a starport, he didn't want them because he likes the challenge of playing unbuffed (obviously a PvE hunter). People who choose to play the game unbuffed shouldn't have to get DBed to play the game their way.
Spank-A-Thon
Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:48 am
#20
Auraveda wrote:
As others have said, the image design comparison is a very poor one since ID is permanent, buffs are not.
I don't see anything wrong with ninja buffing, but I can see how it would bother others.
I actually think that the ID comparison is a great one. In simple terms (ignore the duration) both affect your character - and therefore should not be done without your consent.
Try another view on this, imagine your character is someone who refuses buffs on the grounds of religous beliefs - from a RPing perspective you would be violating a character's beliefs...
Or perhaps a real life paradigm - if Doctors went round providing drugs and medicine to any person they would soon be struck off the Doctor's list...
Whilst a buff may not seem like a big deal, it's not that which is the problem - it's the act of affecting another character without their consent. That's the real issue here. And in that case that's why I say ninja-buffing is bad.
It's also the reason why I don't heal wounds without being asked - for all I know that person may want to keep the wounds for some reason or other.
-Ymo
MenaBen-Hez
Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:25 am
#21
Was going to start a new thread, but then saw this one.
I am not going to comment on others actions (Ninja Buffing etc) but I spent a day in Corolag buffing people for free, especially new players. I wanted my ALT to get back to Combat Medic and figured rather than tumble, which is plain wrong in my opinion (but I would never presume to judge others), I would give away free buffs. The stats were min. 2513 (action a little higher) with a duration of 3 hours. I was using Bivoli/BE clothes and while it made the whole excersise that much more expensive, I would have prefered not to buff people for lower stats.
I found that a good 60-70% of people would not take them, and prefered to find a doc sitting on his butt, buffing a queue of people. Are we all so cynical? Even after stating the stats, they were not interested. O well... I also made sure I stayed away from Docs offering the service for a charge. Don't want to steal business at all.
I ended up using around 2 crates of packs on willing people, and made a few creds even after protesting the fact. I also sat in the Corolag med centre for around 90 minutes healing disease/poison and curing wounds etc. Even provided 5 rez's. All in all it was a great day out.
What i did do though, was buff any player who had gone LD, figured it hurtno-one, but a few comments above may make me re-think that.
All in all I feel I did fellow warriors a service, while at the same time getting the XP i needed for CM as well.
Just my 2c. Feel free to /addignore
gibsonSG
Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:26 am
#22
Personally I think ninja buffing is a great way to get xp and isn't really hurting anyone. So why do I feel so dirty and used when someone does it to me? Why is that?
Pembroke Castle
Bria
Safer to buff your pets , store them and call them again
SioBabble
Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:32 am
#23
I think it should be a matter of common courtesey to ask BEFORE you buff, knowing that some people object to being buffed without their permission.
Of course, common courtesey is a rare commodity nowadays.
bonebreaker_1
Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:47 am
#24
This happened to me.. but I wasn't buffing everyoneI bumped into.... I was just testing a new buff packI had crafted. In fact he was the first person I did unconsently buff and he was quite rude about it. 2 weeks or so later he was in a group with myself on a rancor hunt. When he died about 2 lairs later do you think i rez'd him?... Even when he had the balls to ask me?
Ahhh.. HowI laughed.... 
HunterforBounty
Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:32 pm
#25
im not even a doctor and i dont c a problem with this if its a huge deal put ur valuable stuff in the bank get a db clone and get the stuff back out no harm no foul
Stormwatcher
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:52 pm
#26
I understand when say buffing will go away or you can override them. DB another person isn't permanet but the person has to give permission by going overt or dueling you before you can do it. How would it be if you could just kill anyone you see. You say whats the big deal, but if it isn't a big deal why can't you ask before you buff.