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purplebooks

Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:55 pm

Ok what I think that you guys are missing is what your customers are saying....

Many people are agreeing with me... I hear comments about how greedy Docs are all day from customers all day so why not listen to them some ...

Also Songe in direct reply to you:

Perhaps its easy for you to make that 10k over and over again consistently.. to some its not. Plain and simple... you maybe an uber l3wt gamer but maybethat 2 week old gamer who doesnt have alot of time to play but likes the game and wants to enjoy himself isn't ...

Also buffs as a luxury... ok ok.. I can see this.. but also where would Docs be resource wise if we told that to the player base? SOL you think that avain is high now.. Also.. Lets see you hunt something decent with no buffs... you can't. So how again are they a luxury.. oh thats right.. if your an entertainer they are a great luxury. You also failed to see my point of how 20th Century Doctors were often known for treating patients for nothing and were known for good service and low prices which is TOTALLY different from doctors of our generation that was my RL example Im sorry if your history is a bit rusty..

Im sorry to be so direct with a reply but I felt that one was needed and justified...

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purplebooks

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:47 pm

#15

Im making an incredible living off of my buffs alone... 6k for the whole set and I just raised my price to 6k.

So if your willing to actually work a little bit to be a Doctor you can make stacks of cash no matter what.. but those that just want it handed to them deserve to make nothing..

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midgetbeat

Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:41 pm

#16

I think that a majority of us are not zillionaires...just normal joes making money to pay the bills and afford a little more luxurious stuff than others. I have never had over 1M credits in my account because once I get close I realize that hey, what am I saving this money for? So I go out and buy a nice new set of armour or a cool weapon. Sure those materials may be considered wealth, but I know combat prof only people running around in better armour than me with far better weapons. Where do they get their money...hunting and loot, which is possible because of my buff. What comes around goes around - this is exactly what Adam Smith talks about when he says laissez faire economy.

P.S. - I am very friendly to noobs because I remember what it was like when I was leveling up my combat prof. I didn't know anything and a buff was a real luxury. If someone is a real noob I will buff them and even offer to go out with them to help them level. Sometimes I'll even tip their money back just to be a nice guy. SureI make money, but I am also liberal with it because it is just a game and I get enjoyment out of helping others who are starting out. And to those of us who are uber rich - more power to you - I'm sure you worked hard to get there! But anyone that says that docs are greedy, I'd recommend checking out the profit margin the AS and WS boys are making. Or how about Artisans that make speederbikes? Those guys craft a Swoop from almost nothing and sell them for 25k - 30k! And everyone owns a swoop!

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Greenbulb

Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:53 pm

#17

From what i see doctors get i think they earn.

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FlatLine13

Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:31 am

#18

purplebooks wrote:
Doctors are supposted to be servants.. I know that RL doctors are NOT a good infulence.. but think of Doctors of the early 1900's who charged very little for services and such when your thinking of a RL example for how a Doctor should be.
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Bottom Line: So what if some are making millions off your buff.. Im betting the majority are not...

how do you figure they were charging very littl for services? the fact that a precription of lotnum (AKA Opium) would cost $25-30? or is it the cast for $40-50? Reamember that turring that time period the average dayly income was $4-7/day. yeah inexpensive. if your going to note history know the economical status of that point in history before you do.

Azuril

Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:10 am

#19

Really, it all comes down to the market. Doctors make the money they make from buffing, because they have customers who are willing to pay that price. You can't really expect someone providing a service, especially one that either costs them money, or time/effort to provide, to do so at a cheaper price, just because it'd make you happy. Notice I said 'expect'. There are some doctors out there who enjoy helping out the new players and others with low funds, and if they get enjoyment out of that, then more power to them. But you have enough doc's out there who either buy enhancement packs, buy resources, or do all the harvesting and crafting themselves, and want to earn top dollar for their efforts. You can't really fault them for that, can you?

Not many people in the real world would go up to their boss and say, "You know, Ed, I've been enjoying working for you this past month, so if you'd like to doc my pay by 20%, it'd really make me feel great!" No, they will continue to enjoy their job, and continue to work for every bit of a raise they can get. This is the same thing the doc's are doing.

Those docs that offer their buffs/services at a lower price will eventually gain a reputation, and in turn generate repeat customers. If this continues, they will take more business from the doctors charging the premium prices, and force them to lower their prices in order to do business.

So, don't worry about the doc's with the fat bank and bling-bling on their swoop's. They're just having fun playing the game like they want to play.

Sevardos

Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:20 am

#20

purplebooks wrote:

"A buff will allow these people to go make 30K per mission on the planet of their choice, or a few million in loot in the dungeon of their choice. "

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I love this arguement... guess what? Not everyone does this... some people dont have that much and wanna make a little dough the only way they know how and maybe they cant handle they 30k a mission you think that all players that buy buffs are getting... maybe they want to just work some skills faster...

Doctors are supposted to be servants.. I know that RL doctors are NOT a good infulence.. but think of Doctors of the early 1900's who charged very little for services and such when your thinking of a RL example for how a Doctor should be.

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Bottom Line: So what if some are making millions off your buff.. Im betting the majority are not...

Oh dear god, go get stuffed. Servants? Until the day you start paying my monthly subscription to SOE, you can take your 'Doctors should be servants' and shove it up where the sun don't shine ... and then twirl on it.

As for the 30K per mission ... fine, not everyone wants to or can do 30K missions. But the average Mission is still 5-6K per and can be done in minutes so therefore, you get your money back after only TWO missions. The rest, is gravy. And that sounds bloody unreasonable?

I'm getting sick of idiots of telling my how I should be playing a game with my Doctor. If you want to give away for free, then go right ahead - everyone is free to play as they like.

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QueenLD

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:07 pm

#21

Well lets see here right now for the best resorces and the good buffs cost me 8810 per buff pack, + food another 4k,

then there is factory time to make the parts, and my time to sit and make the stuff, people charging 200 to 400cpu for avain meat and 100cpu for class 4 and 50cpu for iron and 50 to 60cpu for herb meat have made buffs cost what they do.

If your a doctor and want to do anything else in this game you cant get all your resorces your self with just one account and keep up. it would take up way to much of your time soo buying resorces helps lots but people over charge for them and this is what happens.

I dont buff for cash , i buff guild members and people who come to our cantina, if they want to tip me for a buff thats fine but i dont ask for money .

I am a doctor soo i dont have to ask or look for buffs not to make money.

Dr. Swedie MD of Olympus on Corellia

Farcaster007

Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:32 pm

#22

I'll tell you what, purplebook, go tell the next Doc you see, in game or in RL, that they are your servant, and THEN tell me what kind of service you get.

Nothing ticks me off more than ignorant posters...

- Ekatha Jes, MD

Auraveda

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:34 am

#23

I think a lot of folks, especially if all they've ever done is combat, don't realize how time-consuming, complicated, and expensive the crafting system is. I know that I certainly didn't until I got into doctoring.

Before I became a doctor all I had done was entertainment and combat, and back then I thought all doctors were rich. Why? Because all I ever really saw doctors do was sit in the starport and make 10k every 2 minutes. I never understood how much time and money were involved in making good buff packs, let alone the myriad of other medicines.

I certainly have a much greater appreciation for crafting, and a better understandng of item prices now that I'm a doc.

8-12k is a fair price for buffs.

I had a Force sensitive character, with 23 and a half boxes ground out.
I had a master creature handler.
I had a high lvl crafter character.
I had a Bounty Hunter that I hunted PC Jedi with.

My game is dead.

Dejik

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:40 am

#24

Well I can't really say that I'm feeling your pain here. I carry an average 5-10 mil with me at all times, and have about 200 mil worth of resources at home. Yes I would say that I'm well off, but I'm not at all greedy.I sell my buff sets for a living and make decent money doing this, but I'll be damned if it doesn't take a lot of time and effort! Also, a majority of the money I make goes into buying things/funding members of my guild.

To say the least I don't flaunt my money around, and I could go on for hours and hours about how we're under-appreciated as a prof using the majority of our sp to be able to provide services that are badly needed for other people, but I think we all know that story already

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Dejik Eekapto
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Guild Leader of the Kaiburr Cartel
All-around smartass

Dejik

Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:29 am

#25

purplebooks wrote:

Ok what I think that you guys are missing is what your customers are saying....

Many people are agreeing with me... I hear comments about how greedy Docs are all day from customers all day so why not listen to them some ...

Also Songe in direct reply to you:

Perhaps its easy for you to make that 10k over and over again consistently.. to some its not. Plain and simple... you maybe an uber l3wt gamer but maybethat 2 week old gamer who doesnt have alot of time to play but likes the game and wants to enjoy himself isn't ...

Also buffs as a luxury... ok ok.. I can see this.. but also where would Docs be resource wise if we told that to the player base? SOL you think that avain is high now.. Also.. Lets see you hunt something decent with no buffs... you can't. So how again are they a luxury.. oh thats right.. if your an entertainer they are a great luxury. You also failed to see my point of how 20th Century Doctors were often known for treating patients for nothing and were known for good service and low prices which is TOTALLY different from doctors of our generation that was my RL example Im sorry if your history is a bit rusty..

Im sorry to be so direct with a reply but I felt that one was needed and justified...

Jesus purple, I'm glad you know how I should play my toon....whew, I had quite a scare there, thank god you're here to tell me what to do! Your RL example is quite mottled, the crap that you are spewing has WAY too many holes in it, and all in all it sounds like you really need to get some facts straight.

FIRST of all, not all servers are Ahazi. From what i've heard on these forums the doc resources aren't that bad there. Well my server the resources tend to be few and far between, therefore making good ones ridiculous prices.

Second of all, we are NOT servants. I don't know what kind of f'ed up opinion you have of yourself or other docs, but that is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard anyone say about docs. We do people favors. Maybe you have all the time in the world to sit happily in coronet buffing for 6k, that's handy dandy. But for me, I prefer to not buff the public and to go have fun with my prof. As for being a servant, if anyone even dares treat me like that they are automatically added to /addignore as well as challenged to an immediate duel. I think everyone here knows what I'm talking about when I say that docs are highly under-appreciated and pulling that kind of crap is crossing every line there is.

Thirdly....that RL scenario was not only A) very skewed and poorly used, and B) meant as an insult to anyone that read it (from the "im sorry if your history is a bit rusty" crap). Wellsince you don't seem to know your own history OR the history of economics, let's go back in time in my magical machine. Let's say the average person has 33% of their income taken away today because of taxes...in the time period you speak of this was not really an issue due to the fact that records were poorly kept and people made almost no money. As for the whole "doctors treat for free"....stop watching sappy movies where the doc comes to the house and says "im sorry, but blah blah blah". That is complete crap. As well as the fact that for those doctors that did charge very low prices charged because they were not licensed to be doctors, nor did medical education/supplies cost nearly what they do today. And then we get to talk about inflation and the economy, which I assume everyone here is going to know about, so I'll just leave it at saying that candy costs you about $1 a pop....back in the 20th century you were looking at a penny for 5 pieces.

Anyway, besides my point obviously proven (unless you really wish to battle history wits with me...would be really fun, that's my hobby), I would like to point out that you should feel quite ignorant/stupid right now purple. Not everyone feels the same way you do, and that's gonna happen. Now I respect this, but as soon as you start trying to tell people what to do/trying to prove that your side is right because you're "smarter" than them, it crosses the line.

P.S.-Any response you put down purple and I will once again make you look as ignorant as the child you probably are.

Dejik Eekapto
Scylla
Master Doctor/ Master God-Knows What
Guild Leader of the Kaiburr Cartel
All-around smartass

purplebooks

Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:11 am

#26

Dejik wrote:

purplebooks wrote:

Ok what I think that you guys are missing is what your customers are saying....

Many people are agreeing with me... I hear comments about how greedy Docs are all day from customers all day so why not listen to them some ...

Also Songe in direct reply to you:

Perhaps its easy for you to make that 10k over and over again consistently.. to some its not. Plain and simple... you maybe an uber l3wt gamer but maybethat 2 week old gamer who doesnt have alot of time to play but likes the game and wants to enjoy himself isn't ...

Also buffs as a luxury... ok ok.. I can see this.. but also where would Docs be resource wise if we told that to the player base? SOL you think that avain is high now.. Also.. Lets see you hunt something decent with no buffs... you can't. So how again are they a luxury.. oh thats right.. if your an entertainer they are a great luxury. You also failed to see my point of how 20th Century Doctors were often known for treating patients for nothing and were known for good service and low prices which is TOTALLY different from doctors of our generation that was my RL example Im sorry if your history is a bit rusty..

Im sorry to be so direct with a reply but I felt that one was needed and justified...

Jesus purple, I'm glad you know how I should play my toon....whew, I had quite a scare there, thank god you're here to tell me what to do! Your RL example is quite mottled, the crap that you are spewing has WAY too many holes in it, and all in all it sounds like you really need to get some facts straight.

FIRST of all, not all servers are Ahazi. From what i've heard on these forums the doc resources aren't that bad there. Well my server the resources tend to be few and far between, therefore making good ones ridiculous prices.

Second of all, we are NOT servants. I don't know what kind of f'ed up opinion you have of yourself or other docs, but that is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard anyone say about docs. We do people favors. Maybe you have all the time in the world to sit happily in coronet buffing for 6k, that's handy dandy. But for me, I prefer to not buff the public and to go have fun with my prof. As for being a servant, if anyone even dares treat me like that they are automatically added to /addignore as well as challenged to an immediate duel. I think everyone here knows what I'm talking about when I say that docs are highly under-appreciated and pulling that kind of crap is crossing every line there is.

Thirdly....that RL scenario was not only A) very skewed and poorly used, and B) meant as an insult to anyone that read it (from the "im sorry if your history is a bit rusty" crap). Wellsince you don't seem to know your own history OR the history of economics, let's go back in time in my magical machine. Let's say the average person has 33% of their income taken away today because of taxes...in the time period you speak of this was not really an issue due to the fact that records were poorly kept and people made almost no money. As for the whole "doctors treat for free"....stop watching sappy movies where the doc comes to the house and says "im sorry, but blah blah blah". That is complete crap. As well as the fact that for those doctors that did charge very low prices charged because they were not licensed to be doctors, nor did medical education/supplies cost nearly what they do today. And then we get to talk about inflation and the economy, which I assume everyone here is going to know about, so I'll just leave it at saying that candy costs you about $1 a pop....back in the 20th century you were looking at a penny for 5 pieces.

Anyway, besides my point obviously proven (unless you really wish to battle history wits with me...would be really fun, that's my hobby), I would like to point out that you should feel quite ignorant/stupid right now purple. Not everyone feels the same way you do, and that's gonna happen. Now I respect this, but as soon as you start trying to tell people what to do/trying to prove that your side is right because you're "smarter" than them, it crosses the line.

P.S.-Any response you put down purple and I will once again make you look as ignorant as the child you probably are.

Dejik... Kid.. calm down...

Allow me to retort:

I feel that I should start from the back since I get the feeling you think that I am backwards already.. I might as well.

Your PS does little to instill in me any thoughts of confidence in your abbilities to make witty banter as you say is your hobby. Automatically discounting any response your opposite makes in an argument generally makes you look weak and unable to hold your own, sort of a retreat tactic to save face if you will.

Also I do not feel stupid or ignorant (hungover yes), infact I feel pitty that someone could make an argument such as yours and not have bothered to read my post. I mean this has to be the only logical explanation for your hostility and response. This is ok too we understand if you got a bit confused.

I also see that your history is very rusty if your saying that taxes were never a problem or in easier terms not reliably collected. This is unfortunatly not true for starting even in colonial times there were problems with taxes (remember no taxation without representation?). Records that were kept were acturate enough to keep a full tax record, if they were on the Census they were paying taxes for the most part. You are right about most Doctors not having to prove medical schooling. Up until 1912 and the forming of the FSMB there was no one singular recording keeping agency to go to and verify if a Doctor was properly schooled or not. Medical expenses are great today this is true.. thats why there is health insurance... but enough of this boring RL history that you just had to question me on...

Oh yea dont forget the Hippocratic Oath when you talk about Doctors and Servitude... yes its a game.. but its a ROLEPLAYING game

Onto the game stuff now.. finally..

Actually I always feel like Ahazi gets crapped on when it comes to medical resources.. not like some servers but we have a decent avain spawn once ever like 4-5 months and Dantooine berries hah! Forget it!(Though I did miss the last30 days to moving and no internet)

In closing.. my post that you attacked I did hardly anything that you accused me of but no matter I mentioned that customers were the ones that were complaining about the prices. I mentioned to someone in my post that not everyone was like them and they couldnt make the big bucks but of course it was me trying to make everyone else conform in that post.. please read that post again Dejik before trying anymore unarmed battles of wits with me again...

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