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Thread: So for you many afk macroing docs what will the new non-reoccuring macro commands mean to you?
Valuthorax
Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:10 am
#14
I have a feeling it is the uiaction toolbar command they are removing.
It is a shame as a casul player (i dont afk doc buff) but i do walk away fro mmy keyboard alot for real life issues --and not having a macro going and looping will now kick me out of game more then not-
I will lose all my timers, my spartial will get deleted, and I will miss conversations, and it will waste more time I could use to normally play.
This change sucks, Casual gamers that can play an hour-2 a day now will have to search for active docs wait in lines 20 deep, and search for entertainers..
SOE thanks for making the game soo much harder for the casual gamer.
makhina
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:35 am
#15
well im a doc and im afk-ing the meat lumps ... praying for adhesive
(i ahev about 100 of everything else)
i think its a mistake realy, We are going to see alot more 3rd party keystroke/mouse movement type macros now.
BeliMawr
Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:15 am
#16
I am all for the looping macro to go bye bye. I am a Master Doc and Master Musician. I have never been a buffbot. I am hands on kinda guy and see this increasing my bussiness. As far as true enterainers in this game we all have been pushing for this to happen. If you will read the entertainers forums you will see that we all are very happy about itand glad to have our cantinas back from the afkers.
Beli Mawr
Burning Heart
Flurry
Roustabout
Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:54 am
#17
This is great for when you're leveling a new template. I know personally I hated having a macro would do an attack over and over. Now I get to push a button 100 times everytime I want to kill something while I level.
AFK Buffbots for doctors and entertainers allowed guilds to enhance their citizens/visitors even during non-peak hours. If you play somewhere else in the world and say maybe only play 2am to 5am CST then you are getting it royally. Yes entertainers complained about the 'social' aspect of this leaving but honestly if the player getting the buff wanted to socialize with you then they wouldn't have gone to the buff-bot in the first place.
A much easier solution would have been no recursive macros inside cantinas. This would've allowed people to still use macros (the leveling example I gave, a heal macro, COB macro, buffing macro, etc...) and made the entertainer community happier.
Instead this is just another blanket change that many people don't like and some people like. Buffbots in cantinas were the problem...afker's would leave after pub 10 regardless so this was the only real problem. It was costing them money and my suggestion would've made it so everyone was happy.
DaiShanCazador
Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:34 pm
#18
nope, they are taking this out. they are making it impossible to set never ending macros
Houdani wrote:
As long as you can call macro_B from within macro_A, then nothing will change. You can write a very long macro out of game in a text editor and alias it ingame.
I imagine the macro would look something like:
/macro Go_Do_Something; /pause 60;
/macro Go_Do_Something; /pause 60;
/macro Go_Do_Something; /pause 60;
/macro Go_Do_Something; /pause 60;
/macro Go_Do_Something; /pause 60;
repeat ad nauseum
So really, unless you are prevented from calling a macro or calling a toolbar slot, then all this change will do is make it only slightly more trouble to do.
H.
Traigus
Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:37 pm
#19
Actually, one more thing that people need to remember. Every connected player costs SOE money.
Subscription fees are calculated on average play time. Hardcore players cost more in badwith costs then casual players.. AFK 24/7 bots cost even more then hardcore players.
Nuking AFK bots on every server is a significant bandwith savings (actually is is getting back bandwith they probably never had budgeted... because they did not anticipate 24/7 players.
So yeah, buffbots do hurt the game, even if they don't bother you specifically.
-T
Subscription fees are calculated on average play time. Hardcore players cost more in badwith costs then casual players.. AFK 24/7 bots cost even more then hardcore players.
Nuking AFK bots on every server is a significant bandwith savings (actually is is getting back bandwith they probably never had budgeted... because they did not anticipate 24/7 players.
So yeah, buffbots do hurt the game, even if they don't bother you specifically.
-T
DaiShanCazador
Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:25 pm
#20
I know what you meant. And it still won't work. They are removing the ability to call a macro from a macro. So making one macro that starts other macros will not work.
Houdani wrote:
DaiShanCazador wrote:
nope, they are taking this out. they are making it impossible to set never ending macros
What I had there wasn't a recursive loop (never ending). It was Macro1 calling Macro2 every 60 seconds. You could very easily replace Macro2 with a /ui action toolbarslotXX for the same effect.
You can also have 200 different macros that all do the exact same thing and just call one of them every 60 seconds until the server resets ... then you start the macro again in the morning like the AFK folks already do.
H.
Eyedun
Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:48 pm
#21
DaiShanCazador wrote:I know what you meant. And it still won't work. They are removing the ability to call a macro from a macro. So making one macro that starts other macros will not work.
Houdani wrote:
DaiShanCazador wrote:nope, they are taking this out. they are making it impossible to set never ending macros
What I had there wasn't a recursive loop (never ending). It was Macro1 calling Macro2 every 60 seconds. You could very easily replace Macro2 with a /ui action toolbarslotXX for the same effect.You can also have 200 different macros that all do the exact same thing and just call one of them every 60 seconds until the server resets ... then you start the macro again in the morning like the AFK folks already do.H.
actually the way i wrote it was they are removing the ability to call the macro from within itself. If thats what is happneing, then i'm fine with that
Leek_Stywalker
Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:04 am
#22
I run a fairly sucessfull buff bot on my server, and have done for a while.
I dont charge the earth for the buffs just enough to cover buff packs and maintainence (and a few jawa beers and tips for the scantly clad dancers in the cantinas)
I get great enjoyment watching someone use the bot for the first time, or someone bringing a friend to it and them talking abotu how cool it is. Not mentioning the praise I get from the regular users.
I have the bot setup in a little house on tatooine away from large cities, it is generally quiet, only shouts once every 5 mins and have never recieved any complaints.
I admit that i enjoyed the benifit of the profit it did generate whilst i wasnt actually playing the game, but it was more rewarding for me to feel that i was adding to the community and providing a dependable service.
Now that the macro lopping is going (i have to use two macros to complete one buff session because of the length of the commands) i will probably have to stop this service which frustrates me.
Well at least it will half my subscription fee which means some spare funds for CoH :S
purplebooks
Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:25 am
#23
Ok I hate to say this but being a person who has used many looping macros in many games for many reasons all except this one, I must say that its time to quit when you rely on macroing so much that without it you dont see a need for your account to exsist. Sure its easy, and its nice for people to be able to run out of town and get buffed and its not my part to tell people how to play the game.
One thing should be for certain... that live Doctors should see an increase in profits.
Leek_Stywalker
Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:34 am
#24
purplebooks wrote:
Ok I hate to say this but being a person who has used many looping macros in many games for many reasons all except this one, I must say that its time to quit when you rely on macroing so much that without it you dont see a need for your account to exsist. Sure its easy, and its nice for people to be able to run out of town and get buffed and its not my part to tell people how to play the game.
One thing should be for certain... that live Doctors should see an increase in profits.
When i wrote about it i was refering to my alt account, my main will be stil up and running. I admit i relied on macros for the alt, but how else was i meant to provide such a service whilst still playing to game with my primary account
purplebooks
Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:34 am
#25
Leek_Stywalker wrote:
purplebooks wrote:
Ok I hate to say this but being a person who has used many looping macros in many games for many reasons all except this one, I must say that its time to quit when you rely on macroing so much that without it you dont see a need for your account to exsist. Sure its easy, and its nice for people to be able to run out of town and get buffed and its not my part to tell people how to play the game.
One thing should be for certain... that live Doctors should see an increase in profits.
When i wrote about it i was refering to my alt account, my main will be stil up and running. I admit i relied on macros for the alt, but how else was i meant to provide such a service whilst still playing to game with my primary account
At almost 4am who says I read every word? Of course you could do what was intended to be done and run one at a time.... by hand.
PhoenixOrion
Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:05 pm
#26
Leek_Stywalker wrote:
I run a fairly sucessfull buff bot on my server, and have done for a while.
I dont charge the earth for the buffs just enough to cover buff packs and maintainence (and a few jawa beers and tips for the scantly clad dancers in the cantinas)
I get great enjoyment watching someone use the bot for the first time, or someone bringing a friend to it and them talking abotu how cool it is. Not mentioning the praise I get from the regular users.
I have the bot setup in a little house on tatooine away from large cities, it is generally quiet, only shouts once every 5 mins and have never recieved any complaints.
I admit that i enjoyed the benifit of the profit it did generate whilst i wasnt actually playing the game, but it was more rewarding for me to feel that i was adding to the community and providing a dependable service.
Now that the macro lopping is going (i have to use two macros to complete one buff session because of the length of the commands) i will probably have to stop this service which frustrates me.
See this is what I'm talking about. There are tons of legit docs who do this service. They enjoy doing it. They don't spam messages in public cities and what-not. They've got houses setup to do this type of stuff. Are they hurting the live doctors buffing in Theed and Coronet? Not from what I've seen. Will the loss of them hurt the live doctors? No. But it will hurt the docs who have this setup, as well as the many customers they service.
The game has become more about the value of the time you spend playing. We already have to wait around 10 minutes for shuttles between planets doing nothing. So now we'll have to wait around for 30-45 minutes in lines for buffs? For a Casual Gamer, 30-45 minutes just so they can do any sort of combat to me is unacceptable. Buffbots take all of 5 minutes max to work. Waiting in line for live docs buffing takes anywhere from 5 to 45 minutes, depending on the time of day. Peak time, it's 45-60 minutes wait usually. At least on Scylla.
Tell me. If you weren't a doc, would YOU want to wait that long to get buffs just so you can do any combat-related elements? With Jedi in PVP and the added NPC's using specials and switching weapons, Buffs have now 100% become a MUST.
Message Edited by PhoenixOrion on 08-04-2004 04:07 PM