Doctor Archive

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MsNiL wrote:

Now you say "Docs are really only useful for heals". Heals is one of the four pillarsthe whole system stands on. In classic fantasy that role is called the Priest, or Cleric, who have very little, except for the fact that they are the only one who can actually restore lost hitpoints in battle.

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Nah, there are usually other classes that have weaker heals (Druids, Paladins, Etc) and in class based games Priests can also fight a little - even in D&D. So, I agree with Marrow, I'd rather just see our other lines made more useful. Dabblers don't bother me becauseyou are supposed to be making your perfect playstyle with your template building. If your playstyle is some healing, then dabbling in the heal line should be the thing todo.

I don't want to see a really expensive Master Box that is needed for anydecent heal ability, that way leads to bots imo. Any one line that is carrying a master box is bad news.

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MsNiL wrote:

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Vupos wrote:
much like TKA defense and IA? I would argee with that, but that essentially destroys dabbling at all which is an important aspect to the SWG gameplay, meaning anything less then master is very kinda useless. This is I guess a good and bad thing, It accomplishes what you desire but limits the amount of diversity possible for a viable template

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The dabbling which means a character gets 85-95%of a professions qualities by just 4 skillboxes must die. If you take 4 boxes from a profession you should receive 25% from that profession.

Especially bad is when you buy a whole role for just 4 boxes.
If you pick four lines from four different professions that should equal 100% as a complete character.

I wholeheartily agree with da. If you spend enough points to get 1/4 of a profession that should mean you gain 25% from that profession. It should never be possible to gain everything or almost everything that makes that profession by just picking up 1 single line from them.

If you want masterlevel worth of what that template is about, you must also be a master. For instance, you should be forced to pick up at least4 skillines worth of healingprofession to upkeep the role as a grouphealer.

It would be equally bad if you, for example, got a T-21 for 4000 Rifleman or Powerhammer for 4000 swordman. Or 65 innate armor and the best center of beingfor 0004 TKA.

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I agree you should get 25% percent but we are thinking about it differently. I think it should be, "Iwant to take one tree of Swordsman I can choose speed, defense, accuracy, dmg." So taking a whole tree in swords gets me one (full) aspect of swordsman. You would like all four aspects to be spread out over every tree, all that does is negate the "tree - branch" system and create an even more defined level system. It would really one make sense to work on one tier at a time (ie: 1111 then 2222...) in order to get maxamum mods/specials/etc And that would just further turn SWG into every other MMORPG out there.

The problem isn't the system it's the professions themselves, Some professions really don't have four aspects that make up the profession at least not in practice they don't. Docs for example arereally only useful for heals, and sometimes buffs that leaves two trees of mostly unhelpful stuff. So the entire role of the doc is summed up in those two trees and not in four like swordsman.

What needs to happen is not spreading out doc healing abilities but to revamp the other two trees to make them very useful to a doc and to having a doc. Plus also creating a bigger margin between just a healer and a master Doc, in order to promote MD.

Message Edited by Vupos on 07-18-2005 03:04 AM

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MsNiL wrote:

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Panthu wrote:
Nah, there are usually other classes that have weaker heals (Druids, Paladins, Etc)

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And no, druids and Paladins can never heal as good as a dedicated priest

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I said weaker, you had said there were none. *shrug*

Anyway, no, I usually play an Ent/Medic or a Medic/Support so healing is the main thing I do in a group. If everyone is healing themselves just fine because they've picked up 4000, that gets on my nerves too. I like to have my job be needed.

I think this is just going to always be more necessary in high end gaming and not so much for mundane encounters. Either way though, I still think our Doctor role is going to be best enhanced by beefing up our other three lines - making state heals and inoculations needed, adding in some really nice short running buffs.

So yeah, I agree with Marrowon this oneif that's what you mean by "promoting" - I think there are a lot more ways we can be improved in tactical gameplay that is traditionally a Healer's role but isn't direct healing.

If someone heals themself during PvE or PvP that makes my job all the easier. There's never a shortage of need for me in a group. In PvE if someone heals themself HELL YES THANK GAWD...

*You heal [your TeamMate] for 1800 damage*
*Every creature in theDWB now has it in for you.*

There's still the primary reason anyone would need a Master Doctor...

Someone dies.

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Message Edited by MsNiL on 07-19-2005 01:50 AM

The main issues I see with low level vs. high level medic/doc skills is how the modifiers work:

(1) Some modifiers (droids and enhancers) give a constant increase in heal. An increase, say of +300, is small to moderate for a high level Doc or CM, but HUGE for a low level medic.