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Thread: Appropriate apparently equals 0
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aradz
Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:51 am
#1
Last night, I was headed into a cantina just to relax and chat with some of the non-afk there (yes, they exist from time to time). On my way from the Theed Starport to the cantina, someone saw me with my Master Doc tag up (guess that was my fault, forgot to hide).
He sends me a /tell requesting a heal. Fine, ok, no problems. I let him know to just meet me in front of the cantina, I have a droid and can heal him there. He requests I come to the med center. I again tell him to just meet me at the cantina, that's where I'm headed anyway, and I assure him I'm happy and able to help him. He finally decides that, as a master doc, I might know what I'm talking about, and comes to me.
I pop a havla (didn't want to take too much time with this) on his way over. When he gets there, I say hello, no response. I then simply say "tip what you feel is appropriate". I get an "ok" out of that, so at least I figure he understands. Hit the heal all macro (just spams all 6 heal packs), and stand there. He comments as my heals are flying out "wow you're fast!", I giggle, and finish shortly after.... And off he goes.
Apparently, my effort, skill, resources and time were worth... nothing. Not a thank you, not a "I don't have much, here's 100 cr", not anything.
I really like helping people, I really do. But without so much as a thank you, or a simply little tiny tip, I just feel used and abused. I hope someone from the other professions wander in here and read this and understand this point:
Folks, lots of us really do enjoy playing the support class and helping others out. ANY little sign of appreciation really goes a long way, be it 100 cr, a simple "sorry I don't have much, thank you though", or even "would you like this melon I found while foraging" really really means a lot.
I'm not a robot buff dispenser, I'm not just a set of pixels and polygons. There is a living breathing human being moving that nightsister-esque zabrak around, making her do the things she does. Please don't forget that
He sends me a /tell requesting a heal. Fine, ok, no problems. I let him know to just meet me in front of the cantina, I have a droid and can heal him there. He requests I come to the med center. I again tell him to just meet me at the cantina, that's where I'm headed anyway, and I assure him I'm happy and able to help him. He finally decides that, as a master doc, I might know what I'm talking about, and comes to me.
I pop a havla (didn't want to take too much time with this) on his way over. When he gets there, I say hello, no response. I then simply say "tip what you feel is appropriate". I get an "ok" out of that, so at least I figure he understands. Hit the heal all macro (just spams all 6 heal packs), and stand there. He comments as my heals are flying out "wow you're fast!", I giggle, and finish shortly after.... And off he goes.
Apparently, my effort, skill, resources and time were worth... nothing. Not a thank you, not a "I don't have much, here's 100 cr", not anything.
I really like helping people, I really do. But without so much as a thank you, or a simply little tiny tip, I just feel used and abused. I hope someone from the other professions wander in here and read this and understand this point:
Folks, lots of us really do enjoy playing the support class and helping others out. ANY little sign of appreciation really goes a long way, be it 100 cr, a simple "sorry I don't have much, thank you though", or even "would you like this melon I found while foraging" really really means a lot.
I'm not a robot buff dispenser, I'm not just a set of pixels and polygons. There is a living breathing human being moving that nightsister-esque zabrak around, making her do the things she does. Please don't forget that
Sunakk
Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:14 am
#2
People often comment about greedy doctors, but this case examplifies how greedy other players are when they ought to tip doctors.
Great message, Aradz. Thanks for sharing!
Kyodor
Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:11 am
#3
It seems they take Doctors for granted nowadays. Many feel we should be there all the time for them.
But really its the sign of generosity than the content, as you stated - thanks, any effort to show gratitude is appreciated. I was buffing newbies for free in Mos Eisely (I used to hit 2100 as Doc 0440), got offered 8k for my buffs - I didn't take it at the time, as I had enough cash and the xp became well worth it, but the appreciation by some people - those make the days to be a support class
But really its the sign of generosity than the content, as you stated - thanks, any effort to show gratitude is appreciated. I was buffing newbies for free in Mos Eisely (I used to hit 2100 as Doc 0440), got offered 8k for my buffs - I didn't take it at the time, as I had enough cash and the xp became well worth it, but the appreciation by some people - those make the days to be a support class
Marzuk147
Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:09 am
#4
Its not that doctors are taken for granted so much as the entire system, like it is for entertainers, is set up against doc.
Take ANY crafting class - they put their wares on a merchant, and the ONLY way to get them, is to buy them. This is how people are conditioned to pay for weapons, and they dont mind it seemingly.
With Doctors and Entertainers, their are 3 main problems that go hand in hand with this:
1) No wound is severe enough to require master doctor / entertainers on a regular basis. When any novice can step in and do almost as well as a master, that devalues what the master profession does to a huge extent. If the difference between bieng healed by a MD and a novice medic was such that MD gets you out the door in 1 minute, and the medic takes an hour to do the same thing, then MD service would be valued. This is not the case though.
2) People grinding xp. These people are seen as needing xp and thus are not worthy of tipping as far as many are concerned. Entertainers are hit triply hard by this, because the majority of them are AFK bots and cant refuse random people while afk, so this ruins it for all ATK entertainers. Docs get hit by this because medics can literally do our job, and are always a good and willing free source of healing.
3) Some wierd idea that all other professions are there to make money, but doctors are there to be the servants of the galaxy. Seriously, all other professions either sell something to profit, or kill something for profit, but doctors are supposed to self sacrifice just to heal ungratefull people. Its this warm fuzzy touchy feely hard bleeding you are there to help people crap.
Ill start healing for free when Archetects give me my harvesters for free, Power brokers give me the power to run them for free, someone kicks in the money to make the harvesters run, my weaponsmith provides weapons for free, the armorsmith gives me armor for free, the chef gives me food for free, the smuggler slices my stuff for free, and the entertainers buff my mind for free.
Until that stuff starts happening, NO heals are not free, as NOTHING ELSE IN THE ENTIRE GOD DAMN GALAXY IS! Why should doctors be any different!
Take ANY crafting class - they put their wares on a merchant, and the ONLY way to get them, is to buy them. This is how people are conditioned to pay for weapons, and they dont mind it seemingly.
With Doctors and Entertainers, their are 3 main problems that go hand in hand with this:
1) No wound is severe enough to require master doctor / entertainers on a regular basis. When any novice can step in and do almost as well as a master, that devalues what the master profession does to a huge extent. If the difference between bieng healed by a MD and a novice medic was such that MD gets you out the door in 1 minute, and the medic takes an hour to do the same thing, then MD service would be valued. This is not the case though.
2) People grinding xp. These people are seen as needing xp and thus are not worthy of tipping as far as many are concerned. Entertainers are hit triply hard by this, because the majority of them are AFK bots and cant refuse random people while afk, so this ruins it for all ATK entertainers. Docs get hit by this because medics can literally do our job, and are always a good and willing free source of healing.
3) Some wierd idea that all other professions are there to make money, but doctors are there to be the servants of the galaxy. Seriously, all other professions either sell something to profit, or kill something for profit, but doctors are supposed to self sacrifice just to heal ungratefull people. Its this warm fuzzy touchy feely hard bleeding you are there to help people crap.
Ill start healing for free when Archetects give me my harvesters for free, Power brokers give me the power to run them for free, someone kicks in the money to make the harvesters run, my weaponsmith provides weapons for free, the armorsmith gives me armor for free, the chef gives me food for free, the smuggler slices my stuff for free, and the entertainers buff my mind for free.
Until that stuff starts happening, NO heals are not free, as NOTHING ELSE IN THE ENTIRE GOD DAMN GALAXY IS! Why should doctors be any different!
captenjonny
Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:31 am
#5
I don't get the original poster's problem. When I tell someone to "tip what you think it's worth" I am FULLY prepaired that that player may tip me nothing. If he doesn't then fine. But I find it disingeniuos to tell someone to tip what its worth and then cry that he didn't tip you at all.
Let me solve your problem.
Player - "can you heal me?"
Doc - "sure, but I charge XXXX credits payable in advance"
Stop whining. Please.
Let me solve your problem.
Player - "can you heal me?"
Doc - "sure, but I charge XXXX credits payable in advance"
Stop whining. Please.
Fallsguy
Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:49 am
#6
Then on the other hand I was in Mos Eisley the other day clearing out my inventory of somebuffs 2300+ or so range.
I decided to go aide the new players and gave about 20 of them free buffs - some of them brandy, some a few credits on top of that - those that did not ask,and a message of "gobe nice and help someone else when you can and the debt is paid"
Well one player was just standing at the starport and I buffed him without his even asking and he asked why I told him, he was gratetful and went on his way.
5-10 minutes later I see him run by - I see a message come up xxxxxx tips you 9000 credits - and off he goes into the starport and disappears. I am pleased and dismayed I was going to tip it back but I figured this guy went through the trouble to tip me even when he new it was free I gave his tip to the next new player I saw with his buff.
Then as I am yelling free buffs (with my Master Doctors tag on) - someone sends me a tell and asks "What are the stats" - befuddled I read it again - hmmm free buffs - and this yahoo is concerned with the stats - omg I think to myself - this guy pinches a penny until lincoln screams. He does not want to waste his time in line (he was 3rd) for a free buff if it's not up to his standards.
I guess there are the good the bad and the (I need an ID quick) ugly in every game.
Message Edited by Fallsguy on 09-27-2004 01:52 PM
Traigus
Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:49 pm
#7
Many people online treat other people like NPCs... they want a pop-up box w/ and OK in it.
The more socially oriented (as opposed to vendor oriented) non-combatant professions are usually faced with customers that run AFK when being healed, IDed or whatever. In addition the idea that with rampant inflation etc. many people don't think that other people really need money. Everyone thinks docs are rich from buffing... so why do we need cash from healing?
I dunno.. We have been facing this problem since Beta. Everyone expected players to behave more like people then they actually do most of the time (this is not SWG specific).
-T
The more socially oriented (as opposed to vendor oriented) non-combatant professions are usually faced with customers that run AFK when being healed, IDed or whatever. In addition the idea that with rampant inflation etc. many people don't think that other people really need money. Everyone thinks docs are rich from buffing... so why do we need cash from healing?
I dunno.. We have been facing this problem since Beta. Everyone expected players to behave more like people then they actually do most of the time (this is not SWG specific).
-T
allgoodnamestaken
Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:18 pm
#8
I had quite the opposite experience really, although I must admit that now that I have been MD for awhile, I don't charge for healing. Tips are always appreciated but not required.
Yesterday I was out running the rounds to get a Corvette tickets, when I get a /tell requesting a buff. It was someone who I consider a regular, so I asked where he was and said that I'm finishing up a mission and could be with him in 30min. He said ok, and since he was on a planet I was heading to anyway, endeavoured to speed up my trip. Upon arriving on the arranged planet I sent a /tell asking for the WP, to which I received a reply apologizing that they found another Doc and were already buffed. No biggy I say to myself and procede to by the shuttle ticket to hop me closer home as my trusty Kaadu was tired.
No sooner than I bought the ticket I received a bank tip, 10k tip for making me go out of my way. Followed shortly after by another apology and a request that I still buff him at a later date. I would have done so anyway but it is nice to see that some people do respect my services.
The day before I got a 100k tip to rez someone when they requested a rez. All I did was reply to the /tell for a rez request with "Sure send WP", was he was close and gave an ETA. Showed up, rez'd, tipped hat and told him to watch out for the nasties.
MoogleDee
Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:50 pm
#9
It happens all the time Dis. Even though I haven't been a doctor as long as you have I've seen my fair share of ungreatful players. If memory would serve me right now, which it doesn't, I could go on several stories with different places, and the end result would still be the same fully healed and happy patient and taking off without so much as a thank you.
And captenjonny, yes you are right. You do not understand. It's not about getting a pretty penny for heals. The issue at hand is how some of us doctors just feel used an unappreciated for what we do. At the very minimum what we're trying to get in exhange for healing you or any other player is just a simple thank you. WhenI heal someone I don't normally expect a tip butI think(hopefully not just me) it's kind of an unwritten rule that someone should say thank you.
Message Edited by MoogleDee on 09-27-2004 11:56 PM
Xarrus
Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:20 am
#10
Unfortunately, your trying to be polite and not come off like you are greedy for credits got you burned. Like it or not, NEVER leave it for others to price YOUR goods or services. I wish I could walk into Best Buy, and pay what I thought was appropriate for a 50 inch Plasma TV. What would I pay? Zero. If I could, why not? Am I a bad person? No, but never leave it to the buyer of goods and services to do your pricing. Just imagine if everything in reali-life was like that? That would never work. Nobody knows what something cost you better than yourself.
Now, this situation was a minor one and no one really got hurt in it. Just consider it a good lesson for next time. Business is business and has nothing else attached to it. Forget emotion, and if you would like to receive something for what you do then say so upfront. There's no crime in that. Many people in this game feel awkward when it comes time to price their goods or services, because they dont do that on a regular basis. What's the worse thing that can happen? He gets upset at your price and doesnt come to you? Good for you, as you already stated you basically got caught with your tag up. What's the best? He pays you, and you go on where you were headed.
Plain and simple, never hesistate to charge if you want to get paid. That way you'll never feel slighted. Tips are no guarantee of payment. Real-life situation: Was picking up a vaccum cleaner in January many years ago at the Macy's pick-up window. A guy wheels out a TV for the person parked next to me. The employee wrestles with the TV trying to get it in the backseat before deciding on taking it out of the box. So he places it in the back seat, folds the box, and places it and the styrofoam in the trunk. This whole deal took around 20 minutes since the customer was being a pain in trying to get a 27 inch TV inside the box into the backseat of a Lincoln. Heck, you couldnt fit that box in the back seat of anything. Anyway, after all is said and done the customer has the nerve to say to the guy "Here's my tip for you: You shouldn't be out here in the cold - you can get sick", chuckled and drove off. How's that for a kick in the package? Living off tips is like basically living off mercy. Not everyone has, and not all have in the same quantity. 
Anyway, after all is said and done the customer has the nerve to say to the guy "Here's my tip for you: You shouldn't be out here in the cold - you can get sick", chuckled and drove off. How's that for a kick in the package? Living off tips is like basically living off mercy. Not everyone has, and not all have in the same quantity. By the way, I thought I was the only Master Doc that made sure his tag was hidden always. 
Marzuk147
Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:19 am
#11
"And captenjonny, yes you are right. You do not understand. It's not about getting a pretty penny for heals. The issue at hand is how some of us doctors just feel used an unappreciated for what we do."
This is it exactly. People are all full of telling you its your duty to heal and buff them. They tell you that is a doctors role and why people become docs. They tell you that you should not wear your tag unless you are a walking buff dispenser. Frankly though, its distressing to become a doctor because you want to heal people, and having those people treat you like you are a worthless waste of time, pisses most people off quite a bit. We are then forced between 3 bad choices - drop doc, dont heal at all, or just bend over and take it.
This is it exactly. People are all full of telling you its your duty to heal and buff them. They tell you that is a doctors role and why people become docs. They tell you that you should not wear your tag unless you are a walking buff dispenser. Frankly though, its distressing to become a doctor because you want to heal people, and having those people treat you like you are a worthless waste of time, pisses most people off quite a bit. We are then forced between 3 bad choices - drop doc, dont heal at all, or just bend over and take it.
Sevardos
Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:49 am
#12
captenjonny wrote:
I don't get the original poster's problem. When I tell someone to "tip what you think it's worth" I am FULLY prepaired that that player may tip me nothing. If he doesn't then fine. But I find it disingeniuos to tell someone to tip what its worth and then cry that he didn't tip you at all.
Let me solve your problem.
Player - "can you heal me?"
Doc - "sure, but I charge XXXX credits payable in advance"
Stop whining. Please.
How in the world is the original post a bloody whine?! Are you kidding me? The tone of the post was civil - you're just being an a$s.
TheSidhe
Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:34 am
#13
captenjonny wrote:
I don't get the original poster's problem. When I tell someone to "tip what you think it's worth" I am FULLY prepaired that that player may tip me nothing. If he doesn't then fine. But I find it disingeniuos to tell someone to tip what its worth and then cry that he didn't tip you at all.
Let me solve your problem.
Player - "can you heal me?"
Doc - "sure, but I charge XXXX credits payable in advance"
Stop whining. Please.
Just because you don't agree with the poster does not make it a whine.
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