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Thread: Attention All Doctors who don't believe we should charge for our services: Discussion Within
If you can answer why any of the other professions that it costs nothing to to proveide a service should be justified in charging for their services while we should not, then I would change my mind. However, why should dancers accept money for their services? Everything they do costs them nothing. By the same merit, loot hunters and scout/rangers who sell their loot/resources are charging for things that cost them nothing. If I have all the resources to make my own are or weapon, why do weaponsmiths and armorsmiths still charge money for the service if I supply all the components? Why to Creature handles charge for pets that they just capture from the wild? Why do rangers charge for their tracking services?
If you answer that these people deserve compensation becuase we are using their time and they are being kind enough to help us, then why is that not the same for us. Some of you like the connection to real-life. If you are one of those players then I also have to add that all real-life doctos charge for their services aside from pro-bono work, and that is only for people who are absolutely not able to pay their billsand only occurs occasionally. For those ofyou who say it is just agame, I agree with you. And as a game I want to have fun. I can enhance my fun by getting credits which will pruchase me items that will alow me to survive longer and dobetter in the game,thus allowing me to have more fun. Also, sincethe object of the game is to have fun, why should I take my time help everyone else when I have things I could be doing myself to have fun?Don't get me wrong, I will help people for free when I feel like it, however it is not my responsibility to heal all people with wounds or buffing everyone. As you said, it is a game, I don't have any responsibility to those other people.However, ifI make a deal with them that they will pay me for my services then I'm honor bound to complete that agreement. If you don't agree with that, then why is it not the responsibility of every profession to help everyone else for free too? Until you can answer why all other professions that charge or services that cost them nothing should be able to charge for their services and doctors should not, then you are just wrong to say doctor's should not charge for their services. It is the height of hipocracy.
I have thought about this topic for quite a while and I see no logical response to this question that is in favor of doctors not being able to charge people for services.
BTW, I did not say this to ruffle feathers or to have a flame war, I honestly want to have a legitimate discussion about this and try to understand the other side of the arguement, if there is one at all, and try to convince people of my view point.
Message Edited by JediGias on 05-09-2005 09:00 PM
Message Edited by JediGias on 05-09-2005 09:12 PM
Since the CU I have become one of the doctors that essentially heal for free but I do accept tips. I know I am not in the group you are asking the questionto asI do accept tips and I belive docs should be able to choose to charge without being judgedin a nagative fashion becuase of it. I did do some research how ever and found this:
Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: (pulling down a diagram of Chewie) this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! (jury looks shocked)
Why would a Wookiee -- an eight foot tall Wookiee -- want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!
But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case? (calmly) Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!
Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a bunch of rich doctors, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.
And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.
If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you can't charge! The defense rests.
Hope this helps, or at least makes you laugh.
Frostbite
Message Edited by FFNogoodnik on 05-09-2005 10:15 PM
Lol, thank you for that. I remember seeing that what it first came on South Park. I laughed for a while, then realized, "hey, Chewie doesn't live on Endor." My favorite part of that is when the jurer's head explodes because he doen't understand.
But yeah, that is a pretty good summary of people's arguements for why we should not be allowed to charge for our services. I have asked this question many times and never have I recieved a response.
"I chose to be a Doctor because I enjoy playing the support role of healing people. Generally I don't believe Doctors should charge for their services, though it is your right to do so if that is what you want to do(and if some Jedi halfway across the galaxy asks me to travel to his position to res him I might request compensation for my time and effort in getting to him).
But looking at it another way,if instead I was a Master BH / Master Rifleman should I charge Doctors in my group for providing them with xp, after all it's only when I kill something that they benefit. If I was to spend several minutes grinding in a group, doing thousands of damage to several creatures, taunting them to keep the doctors safe and finally destroying the lair, why does the doctor (who maybe threw in the odd heal now and then) get the same xp as me? Surley I should charge for my services as a provider of xp (and loot). [That was a rhetorical question asked only to provoke thought, answers are not required.]
The doc invested a lot of his skill points in the doc profession, keeping himself from getting other professions. If I heal wounds, I can heal wounds because I chose not to pick up other professions I could make money with, yet still I have maintenances and other things to pay. So if I heal the wounds of other players, I can expect them to pay me a) for the time it takes me (I could have run a mission instead, right?) and b) for the ability to get his wounds healed, effectively "renting" the skill points I spent in doc.
Nobody complains about armorsmithes for charging a fee on top of their resource cost to cover the maintenance, time and the skill points they used up in order to be able to craft armor.
Message Edited by Eskie on 05-10-2005 11:17 AM
My basic doctor services now cost me nothing but time. Therefore, I will charge less than a slicer does, but I will STILL charge for my time.
After all, as a doctor, I STILL need to buy armor, clothes, food, spice, maintain droids, etc.
So, until those who provide THOSE services start charging Doctors zero, this doctor will charge what he thinks the services are worth.
Now, I will NEVER turn away a request to heal. But neither should people who can pay turn away from paying the doctor for his services.
If you don't, he won't be around much longer...
I agree that when in combat, the doctor's role is to heal and keep buffs going, just like the TK's role is to tank and the Rifleman's role is to inflict damage. If you're in a group doing missions, you're getting the same payout as all the other members. And if you're raiding a dungeon there should be some arrangement as to how loot is divided.
But in the city I think it is perfectly acceptable to charge for healing wounds and buffing players. Personally, I've hovered around 3-5k for a buff, depending on inconvenience, and wound heals i just go on tips. Rezzing seems to be the next big role for doctors as people don't want to take the degradation due to cloning, esp. Jedi who take an xp loss (though that looks like it may change). As I know I'm on quite a few players "Friends" list, I've been getting called alot and sometimes to pretty inhostpitable or far-off places. While I'm certainly glad to help, I'd be pretty po'd ifi didn't get some compensation, (around 20k seems to be the norm and i'm okay with that).
It just seems like for a professional group that used to have a pretty well-organized price plan, most docs nowadaysare just taking whatever's given. Probably because most of theBuff-bot-docs are gone, but I think we still need to show a little solidarity here. The best docs enjoy the game by being doctors, and aren't going to respec. If too many players give away their services for free, itconfuses the clients and makes it harder for regular docs to earn a living.
Krite,
You said,
But looking at it another way,if instead I was a Master BH / Master Rifleman should I charge Doctors in my group for providing them with xp, after all it's only when I kill something that they benefit. If I was to spend several minutes grinding in a group, doing thousands of damage to several creatures, taunting them to keep the doctors safe and finally destroying the lair, why does the doctor (who maybe threw in the odd heal now and then) get the same xp as me? Surley I should charge for my services as a provider of xp (and loot). [That was a rhetorical question asked only to provoke thought, answers are not required.]
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Outside of my quasi-guild or my hunting group,I don't heal for free. This is a whole new game thanks to the devs (and I like the CU, although I have some complaints) and sitting in a med center healing one person every hour is not my idea of fun. Even the C-net med center is dead.
Did I read another post where someone really asked "what happened to the oath I took?" Was thatstatment a joke? I certainly hope so, or I am going to wonder what spice that person was using and whether I can craft it!
Although I am at combat level 76, with master doctor and smuggler 4-4-4-4, I am certainly not able to solo anything that gives me more than 1 xp. I even used to be able to take low level imperialmissions tomake some money, get some easyfactions points and pick upsome minimal xp.Now those low level missions are level 80! The Devs want me in the field, then that's where I go. This might change once Ifinish up master smuggler,but right now, no way. I need to get my friends on, or see if I can join some hunting group. That's where I invest my time lately.
I do miss the days of packed med centers though. Before player cities and the holocron craze, cantinas and medical centers were packed. I could man even the smallest city's medical centerand get a steady crowd of wounded. But, the game went in a different direction. It is just not profitable for me to sit in a medical center and wait for people to trickle in and not make people ask for buffs. I only had one person pay me 8K for a full set of enhancements since the new system.
Outside of my quasi-guild or my hunting group,I don't heal for free. This is a whole new game thanks to the devs (and I like the CU, although I have some complaints) and sitting in a med center healing one person every hour is not my idea of fun. Even the C-net med center is dead.
Did I read another post where someone really asked "what happened to the oath I took?" Was thatstatment a joke? I certainly hope so, or I am going to wonder what spice that person was using and whether I can craft it!
Although I am at combat level 76, with master doctor and smuggler 4-4-4-4, I am certainly not able to solo anything that gives me more than 1 xp. I even used to be able to take low level imperialmissions tomake some money, get some easyfactions points and pick upsome minimal xp.Now those low level missions are level 80! The Devs want me in the field, then that's where I go. This might change once Ifinish up master smuggler,but right now, no way. I need to get my friends on, or see if I can join some hunting group. That's where I invest my time lately.
I do miss the days of packed med centers though. Before player cities and the holocron craze, cantinas and medical centers were packed. I could man even the smallest city's medical centerand get a steady crowd of wounded. But, the game went in a different direction. It is just not profitable for me to sit in a medical center and wait for people to trickle in and not make people ask for buffs. I only had one person pay me 8K for a full set of enhancements since the new system.