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Thread: How good should herbivore and Avian meat be?
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Bermag
Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:14 am
#1
What stats do you consider worth using? Considering you want to make top-of-line medicals?
Also how important is good Herbivore Meat for final stats?
I am not a doctor but considering it. Need to plan ahead
Message Edited by Bermag on 09-28-2004 05:18 AM
Bugeyed4
Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:00 am
#3
Herbivore - OQ 700+ and PE 500+
Avian - OQ 900+, PE 800+ and DR 800+
The higher the better, but this is what I would consider the lowest to consider making a large amount of buffs.
Avian - OQ 900+, PE 800+ and DR 800+
The higher the better, but this is what I would consider the lowest to consider making a large amount of buffs.
Rolassk
Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:36 am
#4
Here's my opinion
Herbivore Meat: OQ 900+, PE 400+ (with some good class 4, this will get you at least a mid 60's ACRDM)
Avian Meat: OQ 900+, PE 900+, DR 500+ (Below 900OQ and PE, I find my packs just don't have enough power plus you only need to spend 1 exp point on med use to get 90 or less... With DR 500 reactive and DR 500 avian [providing you have 900+OQ meat/reactive] you can get your packs toover 3hduration).
Avian Meat: OQ 900+, PE 900+, DR 500+ (Below 900OQ and PE, I find my packs just don't have enough power plus you only need to spend 1 exp point on med use to get 90 or less... With DR 500 reactive and DR 500 avian [providing you have 900+OQ meat/reactive] you can get your packs toover 3hduration).
*Kettemoor
MNHawkFan
Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:53 am
#5
"With DR 500 reactive and DR 500 avian"
Why is it when I tried using Valcyn's legendary Corellian Avian (later sold it) with 5xx DR along with my gas that's 5xx DR I get 2:40? 11 points getting my power up to 907, but the time was maxed at 8 points.
Other avian that I had and decided to use in factory runs is 976DR, along with the 5xx gas gave me 3:16 duration.
Sevardos
Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:03 am
#6
"Top-of-the-line" is subjective. It depends on why you are making them. Making them for resell? So you can buff the public?
You don't need 900+ power buff packs to be a very successful seller.
You don't need 900+ power buff packs to sell to the public.
You definitely don't need 900+ power buff packs to run missions or do most of the PVE content.
You can make an argument that it makes a difference in PVP but even then, you'll get by with average buffs because it's your mind that's attacked 99.9% of the time.
A rule of thumb I use for a minimum in Avian meat is OQ+PE=1600. When you add the 2 together and you get a number greater than 1600, you have some decent buffs.
900 OQ and 900 PE Avian meat is, usually, rare and very expensive to buy. So if you've got a lot credits and want to blow the bank, it's a not a bad idea.
As for Herbivore meat, as long as OQ+PE > 1500, I'll usually take it. Herb makes a bit of a difference, but you won't see a huge swing in power between average Herb and high-end Herb.
Anyways, that's my 2 credits.
Bugeyed4
Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:13 am
#7
Yes, top-of-the-line is subjective.
Usually PvP buffs need high power but duration is not that much of an issue.
PvE buffs are ok with a 1700 increase in stats but you want high duration so you don't have to run back to find another doc to buff you before you are done with whatever it is your were doing. It also depends on what level of PvE you are going for, DWB, Geo caves, meat/hide/bone hunt or just some plain fun.
Usually PvP buffs need high power but duration is not that much of an issue.
PvE buffs are ok with a 1700 increase in stats but you want high duration so you don't have to run back to find another doc to buff you before you are done with whatever it is your were doing. It also depends on what level of PvE you are going for, DWB, Geo caves, meat/hide/bone hunt or just some plain fun.
Rolassk
Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:06 pm
#8
Sevardos wrote:
"Top-of-the-line" is subjective. It depends on why you are making them. Making them for resell? So you can buff the public?
You don't need 900+ power buff packs to be a very successful seller.
You don't need 900+ power buff packs to sell to the public.
You definitely don't need 900+ power buff packs to run missions or do most of the PVE content.
I would say for my server no onebuys buffs under 875power (90 MU and under docs may purchase a little lower). You are right though about the PvE aspect
A rule of thumb I use for a minimum in Avian meat is OQ+PE=1600. When you add the 2 together and you get a number greater than 1600, you have some decent buffs.
900 OQ and 900 PE Avian meat is, usually, rare and very expensive to buy. So if you've got a lot credits and want to blow the bank, it's a not a bad idea.
As for Herbivore meat, as long as OQ+PE > 1500, I'll usually take it. Herb makes a bit of a difference, but you won't see a huge swing in power between average Herb and high-end Herb.
I think even using exceptional power components (ACRDM 65+ ASDS 70+) and using OQ+PE 1600 avian along with 800OQ gas (it's fair for me to use800OQ gasin my example as it would be equal to the meat used) you would max your buffs around 850power which isn't high enough for me. Personally I won't touch avian with less then 900OQ, since it is factored into every equation in a buffpack (Charges, Med Use, Duration &Power [both initial craft and experimentability])
I wouldn't consider it blowing the bank either to wait it out for the best spawns. Even if I bought my Avian at 200CPU, Gas for 10CPU and used Herb Meat costing 50CPU, I could still easily sell my buffs at 2x my cost (yes I am a nerd who has figured out all my production costs). I alsobelieve you get a better name for yourself trying to make the best items you can.Anybody can make a buffpack, it's the Doctors who hone their craft that excel in the profession.
Your example of herb meat is exceptional at 1500+ (it caps at 1700), I would consider this using high-end herb.
Your example of herb meat is exceptional at 1500+ (it caps at 1700), I would consider this using high-end herb.
TuskKiller wrote:
For "top-of-the-line" stuff youneed to be a 12-pt doc (+20 med exp).... which is more important than IMHO.
10-pt docs can max out power
11-pt docs get the med use down a level
12-pt docs add a charge or two
Top of the line resources will always be the key. The extra 2 points are a nice bonus
Top of the line resources will always be the key. The extra 2 points are a nice bonus
P.S. this is not a flame response toeither of you
Message Edited by Rolassk on 09-28-2004 08:14 PM
Sevardos
Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:18 pm
#9
Rolassk wrote:
Sevardos wrote:
"Top-of-the-line" is subjective. It depends on why you are making them. Making them for resell? So you can buff the public?
You don't need 900+ power buff packs to be a very successful seller.
You don't need 900+ power buff packs to sell to the public.
You definitely don't need 900+ power buff packs to run missions or do most of the PVE content.
I would say for my server no onebuys buffs under 875power (90 MU and under docs may purchase a little lower). You are right though about the PvE aspect
A rule of thumb I use for a minimum in Avian meat is OQ+PE=1600. When you add the 2 together and you get a number greater than 1600, you have some decent buffs.
900 OQ and 900 PE Avian meat is, usually, rare and very expensive to buy. So if you've got a lot credits and want to blow the bank, it's a not a bad idea.
As for Herbivore meat, as long as OQ+PE > 1500, I'll usually take it. Herb makes a bit of a difference, but you won't see a huge swing in power between average Herb and high-end Herb.
I think even using exceptional power components (ACRDM 65+ ASDS 70+) and using OQ+PE 1600 avian along with 800OQ gas (it's fair for me to use800OQ gasin my example as it would be equal to the meat used) you would max your buffs around 850power which isn't high enough for me. Personally I won't touch avian with less then 900OQ, since it is factored into every equation in a buffpack (Charges, Med Use, Duration &Power [both initial craft and experimentability])
I wouldn't consider it blowing the bank either to wait it out for the best spawns. Even if I bought my Avian at 200CPU, Gas for 10CPU and used Herb Meat costing 50CPU, I could still easily sell my buffs at 2x my cost (yes I am a nerd who has figured out all my production costs). I alsobelieve you get a better name for yourself trying to make the best items you can.Anybody can make a buffpack, it's the Doctors who hone their craft that excel in the profession.
Your example of herb meat is exceptional at 1500+ (it caps at 1700), I would consider this using high-end herb.
TuskKiller wrote:
For "top-of-the-line" stuff youneed to be a 12-pt doc (+20 med exp).... which is more important than IMHO.
10-pt docs can max out power
11-pt docs get the med use down a level
12-pt docs add a charge or two
Top of the line resources will always be the key. The extra 2 points are a nice bonus
P.S. this is not a flame response toeither of you
Message Edited by Rolassk on 09-28-2004 08:14 PM
I've sold and still sell 800-850 buffs and of course 875 to 900+. Pricethem accordingly and they sell very well and fast. I've found customers want availability more than power (majority I mean - I do have customers who crave every single additional power point). They don't want to go to 10 places looking for buffs - they want a place that's always stocked. That is why I said 'what is your goal' because it will mean different considerations.
Also, I did assume that you'd have 900+ OQ gas. There's no exuse not to have 900+ gas, it's not that rare. Therefore, your numbers will go up with my rule of thumb.
Rolassk
Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:57 pm
#10
Sevardos wrote:
I've sold and still sell 800-850 buffs and of course 875 to 900+. Pricethem accordingly and they sell very well and fast. I've found customers want availability more than power (majority I mean - I do have customers who crave every single additional power point). They don't want to go to 10 places looking for buffs - they want a place that's always stocked. That is why I said 'what is your goal' because it will mean different considerations.
Also, I did assume that you'd have 900+ OQ gas. There's no exuse not to have 900+ gas, it's not that rare. Therefore, your numbers will go up with my rule of thumb.
Bria > Kettemoor
I could definatly see the most populated server having more demand for a wider variety of products. I had some old 849power master level buffs that I couldn't even sell at 2,500 a pack (cost me about 5,500 to make)not 1 person on Kettemoor wanted to buy a single pack.
Also don't assume, our server hasn't had 890+OQ gas for about 80 days now. As we can both see the resources and product demand very greatly betweenservers.
TuskKiller
Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:16 am
#11
Bermag wrote:
What stats do you consider worth using? Considering you want to make top-of-line medicals?
Also how important is good Herbivore Meat for final stats?
I am not a doctor but considering it. Need to plan ahead
For "top-of-the-line" stuff youneed to be a 12-pt doc (+20 med exp).... which is more important than IMHO.
Bermag
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:45 am
#12
Thanks for your replies. Since meat is the hardest resource to get enough ofand ofgood quality, how do you spend your good Herbivore? Do you only use it for components for buff packs?
How good Herbivore do you use on Stims?
Slash_DPC
Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:31 am
#13
TuskKiller wrote:
Bermag wrote:What stats do you consider worth using? Considering you want to make top-of-line medicals?Also how important is good Herbivore Meat for final stats?I am not a doctor but considering it. Need to plan aheadFor "top-of-the-line" stuff you need to be a 12-pt doc (+20 med exp).... which is more important than IMHO.
"top-of-the-line" stuff doesn't require 12 points. Your power will cap so low w/ crap resources that you won't even be able to use 12 points in the buff. Awesome resources are key, 12 points just proves that your rich enough to afford it.
For Gorath, the last 4 good spawns of herb meat have been 900 oq, and 600 pe, add up to 40 on each of those. AND b/c the best spawn of class4 on gorath since january has been 933 pe, and 595 oq, I'm hitting 59 power on my ACRDMs. Gorath is due for a killer class4 spawn any day now. We got a good wheat spawn right now. =]
For avian meat, 1600+ is a good number when you add oq and pe together. W/ good gas, you can get 840 at the lowest. The forumal for buffs is 40 + (the sum of all power on your components) + .25333(oq of avian + pe of avian + oq of gas). The DR you really can't be picky about. The last 900 oq and pe spawn of avian meat on gorath, the dr was only 400. I just take what I can get.
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