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Thread: Avian Meat Pricing: a Cost/Benefit Guide.
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Bad_Bad_Leroy
Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:48 pm
#1
EDIT: This assumes all the otherresource costsare held constant. Pretend you've already gathered everything except Avian Meat, and now you're at a vendor. There's crappy avian for 10 cpu, and awesome avian for 100 cpu. Which should you choose? Read on...
EDIT: Changed to less instigative title :-) (used to be: Doctors should pay 100 cpu for Avian and be happy about it.)
Using great Avian (900/900/900) instead of average Avian (500/500/500) nets you a buff with 40 extra minutes duration, 500 more power (assuming +25 clothes and +25 bivoli are used), and one more charge.*
So... does paying outrageous prices for the best Avian meat make good financial sense?
To answer that:
1. Consider just what it costs to get better Avian
2. Consider how much more you can charge for each buff application with your improved packs
1. Consider just what it costs to get better Avian
2. Consider how much more you can charge for each buff application with your improved packs
X = Avian CPU
N = Charges per buffpack (20, 25, 30)
A = 138 = Avian needed for one set of 6 buffpacks
CPB = (X * A / N) = Avian cost PER PERSON BUFFED
CPB' = (X * A / (N+1)) = Cost added PER PERSON BUFFED, with 1 extra charge due to high DR Avian
N = Charges per buffpack (20, 25, 30)
A = 138 = Avian needed for one set of 6 buffpacks
CPB = (X * A / N) = Avian cost PER PERSON BUFFED
CPB' = (X * A / (N+1)) = Cost added PER PERSON BUFFED, with 1 extra charge due to high DR Avian
X A N CPB CPB'
5 138 20 35 33
10 138 20 69 66
25 138 20 173 164
50 138 20 345 329
75 138 20 518 493
100 138 20 690 657
200 138 20 1380 1314
400 138 20 2760 2629
X A N CPB CPB'
5 138 25 28 27
10 138 25 55 53
25 138 25 138 133
50 138 25 276 265
75 138 25 414 398
100 138 25 552 531
200 138 25 1104 1062
400 138 25 2208 2123
X A N CPB CPB'
5 138 30 23 22
10 138 30 46 45
25 138 30 115 111
50 138 30 230 223
75 138 30 345 334
100 138 30 460 445
200 138 30 920 890
400 138 30 1840 1781
So, if average avian costs 10 cpu on your server, and great avian costs 100 cpu, is it worth it just to add 40 minutes and 500 (in use) power?
On my server, I think it is entirely worth it. The cost (at 25 charges) of using great avian is only about 500 credits per buff more than the cost of using average avian.
But you can charge a lot more (and will get customers more easily) for 2600/3:15 buffs than for 2100/2:35 buffs. On Sunrunner, you could charge 20k for 2600 power buffs, but only realistically 12-15k for 2100 power buffs. So you're making 5000-8000 more per buff gross, for an increase in costs of only 500 per buff; net profit 4500-7500 credits per buff. Even at 400 cpu, each buff only cost you 2000 more credits to make, so you're still netting 2000 to 6000 credits profit per buff without breaking a sweat, simply by investing a little extra to get higher quality avian meat.
I hate saying this, and had hoped to prove the opposite, but this proves that paying 10 times more for the best Avian is still very profitable over paying less for cheap avian, as long as you can charge more for better buffs.
We always say we can charge more for buffs since players can earn so much more (makebackthe entire buff cost inone a mission). So we must also agree that Scouts can charge more for Avian meat, considering that we can make such profitby using the good stuff. Now, I'm not about to go post this in the Scout forum, but...
Note:this analysisfalls apart if people don'tperceive a difference between 2100 power buffsand 2600 power buffs. Further study should test the effect on HAM costs of various specials when unbuffed, when medium buffed, and when maximum buffed. At whatlevel of secondary statsdo HAM costs become negligable? In that case, we should use great Avian only in primaryand tertiary stat buffs, since you can never have too many hit points or regen them too quickly, and then only in Health,Constitution and Stamina (because Action doesn't require Avian).
*Source:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=doctor&message.id=54948
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=doctor&message.id=54948
Message Edited by Bad_Bad_Leroy on 08-24-2004 06:55 PM
Message Edited by Bad_Bad_Leroy on 08-26-2004 09:49 AM
JayCrow
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:14 pm
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this is just the cost of the avain meat ...nothing else that goes into the packs right?
What i mean is the other resources
What i mean is the other resources
Message Edited by JayCrow on 08-24-2004 05:16 PM
ZeroK0ol
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:21 pm
#3
oh your on sunrunner... 100cpu and be happy with it right?.... well why is it that Bria's avian is going for 300-400 cpu, and we still get griefed for trying to charge more than 10k?..... should we still be happy paying 350cpu on average for a great spawn that is still in season?
Gawd i hop ethe other economies start charging dr's 350cpu for great avian in spawn. coz generally dr's are charging the same from server to server but some servers like bria are paying alot more than 100cpu for avian...
Bad_Bad_Leroy
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:22 pm
#4
Basically, you've gathered everything else, and now you need to buy the Avian. This post helps answer the question of which Avian Meat should you choose, average for 10 cpu or great for 100 cpu?
Sunakk
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:22 pm
#5
JayCrow wrote:
this is just the cost of the avain meat ...nothing else that goes into the packs right?
What i mean is the other resources
Message Edited by JayCrow on 08-24-2004 05:16 PM
yes, but the topic is just about what docs should find as a reason cpu for avian meat. And I would have to agree with the argument. 100cpu is a great price for the work scouts and rangers put into hunting, and I do know from experience that customers will rather spend the time and money to get a buff that lasts longer, so it is worth it.
Sunakk
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:24 pm
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ZeroK0ol wrote:
oh your on sunrunner... 100cpu and be happy with it right?.... well why is it that Bria's avian is going for 300-400 cpu, and we still get griefed for trying to charge more than 10k?..... should we still be happy paying 350cpu on average for a great spawn that is still in season?
Gawd i hop ethe other economies start charging dr's 350cpu for great avian in spawn. coz generally dr's are charging the same from server to server but some servers like bria are paying alot more than 100cpu for avian...
Yeah, i've noticed that the server my doc is on has a long history of 10k-only buffs. Try tocharge any more and everyone cries foul. But on the other servers, it's hard to find 10k buffs. The economies sure are different!
Message Edited by Sunakk on 08-24-2004 05:26 PM
TheLordRahl
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:31 pm
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I buy for 100 cpu all the time no prob its not an easy meat to get in large quantities, its the 300-400 that some peeps pay and so they expect all of us to pay it where i draw the line. I get nasty tells all the time saying what 180k a set for packs. I say 200 cpu for meat make your own. even at 180k a set doc are selling for 15k np thats 200k profit of one of my sets
Bad_Bad_Leroy
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:48 pm
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ZeroK0ol wrote:
oh your on sunrunner... 100cpu and be happy with it right?.... well why is it that Bria's avian is going for 300-400 cpu, and we still get griefed for trying to charge more than 10k?..... should we still be happy paying 350cpu on average for a great spawn that is still in season?
That depends... does it increase you buff power enough for you compared withcheaperAvianto be able to chargemore credits more per buff? If you can charge just 1512 more per buff, you break even compared with using lower quality Avian for 10 cpu. Anything above 1512 per buff becomes profit for you.
Also, come on... you're telling me that youcan't find one friend who can gather138 units of Avian meat for you to make a set of buffs? Unlessyou're talking about Cove (Tatooinian Avian Meat); yeah it's gonna be pricey:The only avian meat on tatooinecomes from Dwarf Nunas! That's a major pain to collect, and the ONLY reason someone would be fighting level 5 Dwarf Nunas would be to gather meat or to get to the first box of a brawler or marksman.
Bugeyed4
Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:19 am
#9
Good work bad_bad_leroy, but why don't you make a similar chart for what the buff customer should pay for a buff depending on what he/she can earn during the time buffed?
The price on resources doesn't effect me much since I never buy any, I get it myself or from guild mates that recieve free Master Doctor services in return.
The price on resources doesn't effect me much since I never buy any, I get it myself or from guild mates that recieve free Master Doctor services in return.
Bugeyed4
Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:26 am
#10
Though of another thing... would it be more profitable to kill Nunas (or other avians) and sell the meat, assuming it is high quality avian, then to buy a buff and do some high paying missions?
At 100cpu you only need 300 units of avian to equal a 30k mission, but for the 30k mission you need a buff for 10-15k... you don't need that buff to hunt avian.
At 100cpu you only need 300 units of avian to equal a 30k mission, but for the 30k mission you need a buff for 10-15k... you don't need that buff to hunt avian.
revisoHT
Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:43 am
#11
i personally wouldn't pay that for something that's walking around in my back yard. Yes, it'll always be cheaper to harvest your own resources, and no i don't have a problem with anyone selling something for what they can get for it. The issuei would have is if you are to buy your resources, paying 5 cpu for this, 10 for that, 50+ for good herb meat, 100+ for avian, then figure in bivoli and brandy, the profit margin shrinks so much that it'd be almost better just to give yourself crappy buffs, grab a pistol, and sell meat to other docs.
its kinda like the 7-11 business model - charging for convience as opposed to value. nothing wrong with it, but not the best plan for a doctor's profit margin.
Jirob1
Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:50 am
#12
hey, ok, here what i did:
770 Discount Buffs - didnt sell well for 80k/set (avian costed 100 cpu)
890 Current Buffs - sell ok at 100-120k/set(avian costed 200 cpu)
933 Best buffs - 400 sets sold out in days at 150k/set, other docs charging 200k/set sold out pretty fast too.. (avian costed 300-500 cpu)
so even 770er 2100er buffswould be enough for PVE, most just want the best even at double price...thats how it works on Bria, but think that goes for all...
but i still did the most and fastest profit with the 933er..hehe shame that avian dries out.. as its nearly a year old.. grin
Message Edited by Jirob1 on 08-25-2004 06:51 AM
allgoodnamestaken
Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:06 am
#13
Bad_Bad_Leroy wrote:
Basically, you've gathered everything else, and now you need to buy the Avian. This post helps answer the question of which Avian Meat should you choose, average for 10 cpu or great for 100 cpu?
Well if that's the case...
It means you have already gathered herb meat, so that means you have the ability to harvest - which means you can tell those selling for 100cpu or higher to pound salt
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