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Thread: What's wrong with charging for services?

Silky_Lodehoc
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:07 am
#1

My guild just recently lit the fire under my behind to finish doc's crafting and I finally made it to Master Doc. Upon doing so, I started putting my Master Doc tag on when I was open for business, mainly for buffs. While doing so, I'm finding numerous people coming to me for heals, cures, etc and becoming upset when I quote a price to them. What's so wrong with paying for my time. And yeah, I know, those resources and meds grow on trees! /smackforhead

Now,a very good friend of mine once pointed out that people in EQ who went doc did so strictly for healing others and it was not normal to charge a fee. While my reason is somewhat the same, it was not meant for everyone. I did this so that I could take care of my friends. I never charge them, nor my guild for anything they should need from me.I did this for them as much as I did to be able to make money off of my abilities. So, why should I get cussed at and hurassed when people don't agree?



Hey I got an idea.... the next time I need a weapon sliced I'll tell the smuggler that I don't think I should have to pay because he should just do it for me because he can!



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ChoNaguriai
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:44 am
#2


The difference between SWG and a game like EQ or DAOC is that almost all skills are item-based. Meaning hardly anybody in this game can perform their task without shelling out credits or time to gain the necessary components to do so (ie. weapons, stim components, buffs, camouflage kits, etc). In SWG, skills cost money to use. The people you are referring to don't understand this. With those other games, these abilities are "magical" and innate. The only cost is some mana which regenerates easily.


The only profession that I can think of that doesn't need an item for their services are dancers (unless you count their skimpy outfits). Musicians need instruments, though these are fairly static items.... one instrument lasts a long time.





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Scoooter
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:04 am
#3

Also there is the assumption out there that the XP is enough, so if you are xping they get offended at having to pay a price which really hurts beginning medics ans docs.


However Master Doctors need no XP.


So since I reached master I only heal friends, guild mates, andpeople I am hunting withfor free. Everyone else pays if they come to me and ask for heals. I they don't like it they can find an xping medic that wants the xp.






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Stumpet_Rakingclaw
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:57 am
#4

try being an image designer...i get quite a few tells(surprised me too)wanting image design and then people with the "i left my wallet at home" excuse...ID is just like architect or medic etc. in terms of needing cash to keep up harvesters and houses etc....now not that it takes me any resources but i don't charge 500k per change either...and just running a gnort mission from theed will get you enough for what i usually charge...so long story short...charge first...they don't like it...too bad...i know thats a crappy way to play but its basically the only way you get money from certain types of people...and even before in beta and like 6 months ago i tipped my docs...its just common curtousey(sp?)
Travin64068
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:07 am
#5

Some people don't understand that the medics they stepped on yesterday are Master Doctors today. And now it's going to come back and bite them in the rear. When I was a Novice Medic I needed xps to advance in skills, now that I'm a Master Doctor I need credits to keep my harvesters going.


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pizzathehut67
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:07 am
#6

although i have dropped doc to holo hunt, i wish i hadnt. simply inform them that mes cost money. thats what they are paying for!



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glenndba
Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:37 pm
#7

I agree, but I usually only charge people that are demanding.




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Tiberian74
Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:08 pm
#8

unless its friends iv simply tell them i dont need the xp and if they can wait afew mins that someone needing it will heal them, if they insist i ask them what they will offer in return most say nothing so thats what they get, the only time i heal someone is if they have asked for a buff and they have alot of damage.



if they player is very new to the game and im feeling generous i'll give them a heal form time to time

swyteck
Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:11 pm
#9

Check this out. I was on the other day and was buffing, and this guy asked me for a buff but said he only had 4k, so I said fine, and buffed him. There was another player there who was getting buffed as well, and he saw the whole exchange. Later that night the guy who heard the exchange came to me for a buff and said the whole time the talk was going on the player, let him remain nameless, was talking **edit** about me to the other guy via personal /tell. The nice guy came to me that night and actually wanted a buff and told me what happened was that the Evil guy only had enough for a ticket and not enough for a buff, therefore, he ripped me off and claimed it didn't matter it was only a game. The nice guy got his buff and he actually paid me the extra for the Evil guy. Now that nice guy is on my list of people I will go out of my way for, since that's why I am in my guild also, the nice people who help are there with me, or at least the ones I found early on in the game. The climax comes when the Evil guy comes later that night and says he's sorry and can he get a buff. I told him that all he would have had to do was to explain his situation and I probably would have given him the buff for free. He says he didn't have time to think about that but that once again it's only a game. I'm sure how everyone can see this ending, with me ignoring the 12 year old and going on my merry way. Remember guys I read a thread in here where the medics of yesterday are now master docs, and now i'm a master doc just getting money to go back to commando. Those who are on the LIST will be prime hunting when I have my so-called powers again. mUhahahahahahahaahahaha



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Jenna
Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:26 pm
#10

EQ was not the altruistic world that your friend seems to remember. True at this point I am sure most things that casters do there are free or fairly cheap due to sweeping game changes and just overall growth of the user base's character levels, however it was not always so. When EQ first started the ability to port somewhere was worth lots of money, as were things like the first Clarity (an Echanter buff to boost mana regen), and rezz. So people charged, and probably still do for things like ports, though it has become less of a necessity with the new transportation system EQ put in. I do know KEI (the new updated high level form of Clarity) makes high level Enchanters insanely wealthy as they buff at key nexus points in the transportation system. And do let anyone fool you, mana is not free. Each time someone uses up mana they have to sit down and regenerate that mana and do nothing else (other than chat of course). This uses real world time, and I dont know about you, but my real world play time has worth, no matter what others may believe.


So now we have SWG, all of the above applies here as well in addition to the fact that healing a person, buffing a person, and rezzing a person all require not only time (a cost), but also money for maintenance or buying resources (a cost). It is up to you as the healer to decide your worth for that cost. If you feel being magnanamous and healing for free is reward enough for the time and money you put into it all, then you gain. If you feel you are due some compensation for this service, then you are entitled to do so.


The main thing when charging for services I have found is that you want to be as up front as possible with your fee structure, and to be at the very least neutral in response to criticism of that structure if not downright inversely polite.


If you say, "I heal for 1 cr per wound...say 500cr for all of your current wounds," and they say, "Heck no!", then just say all right. Period. You are in control. You are the professional healer, not them. There is not really any need to say anything nasty. With this approach I get in hardly any more arguments and most times people come around. And if they do not, then I move on. I don't NEED to heal them for XP anymore, I am providing them a SERVICE, that they can either pay for or choose not to. Their choice.


That said there are some things I don't really charge for...like curing poison or disease, mainly because I do it so little I have had the same packs for months....and it takes up so little of my time to heal and create the packs. I reserve the right to change that at any time if it becomes a strain on my time (again, remember your time playing has a worth!). I charge for wounds at 1cr per, and I buff for 6K on all 6 stats or 1K per stat, with no negotiation for bad rolls.


Any complainers for my bad rolls I politely direct to SoE so that they can give their feedback on variability of buffs since you nor I can do nothing about it more that we do with our experimentation and BE modded clothing, etc.


I hope all this helps. Just remember to balance your priorities and costs and let others know that up front, that all seems to help.


- Ki





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Sistere
Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:42 pm
#11

/clap Jenna



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Lilcappy
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:24 pm
#12

I dont think there is any problem with charging people for services. I personally charge at a lower price for guildies, and anyone who is in a known imperial guild (im a reb)



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NasrikSnar
Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:17 am
#13






pizzathehut67 wrote:

although i have dropped doc to holo hunt, i wish i hadnt.



I dropped my Doc skills too. I miss them severely. I'm in the process of re-leveling them now. 0/1/1/1 and lots of healing to go.

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