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Thread: Suggestion to stop the buff price complaints
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FFNogoodnik
Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:01 am
#1
Picture this, a customer comes to the doctor for a set of buffs. Using the radial dials they both choose a new option, "Contract". This option allows the doctor to give the customer as full set of buffs in exchange for a nominal fee plus a percentage of the customer's mission earnings during the time the buffs are in effect. The nominal fee is a fee the doc sets so the doc would not get screwed if the customer does not run missions.
Using this addition to the system the customer could pay the doc 10k (or whatever) for the buffs and the contract. If the customer uses the buffs in PvP or for just standing around the doc still gets the 10k.
If the customer pays 10k for the buffs and the contract is for 10% the doctor would not get any extra income until the customer surpasses 100,000 credits in mission income as the 10k was already given. This way the customer is not paying twice for the buffs. Once the 100,000 in mission earnings is surpassed the doc would get 10% of the mission income for the time that the customer is using that doctor's buffs.
The system helps helps the docs that are concerned with customers who make over 500,000 credits using the buffs but get mad when the doc charges 15k for the buffs. It also protects the non-mission running player from being charged too much for the buffs.
Another bonus for the docs is they do not have to be online to earn money. As long as there are players using your buffs you wil still be taking in money.
I belive this can be implemented as all the information (who sold the buffs, who you sold them too, money earned form missions and the contrct info) would be available.
In the case of other docs overriding your buffs, well... the last doc to buff gets the cash.
Dr. Frostbite Nogoodnik
Tarquinas
Roustabout
Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:15 am
#2
Anyone running money missions who complains about a buff price is an idiot and doesn't matter. Virtually everyone who runs these missions is fine with paying 15k for something that will net them several hundred thousand.
This proposal is silly IMO. What difference does it make what someone does with out product? Someone who buffs the public is already making 2x to 3x more than what they paid for their enhance packs...do you really need even more than that?
If this were to be implemented I'd imagine that armorsmiths, weaponsmiths, chefs, artisans (your bikes), and everyone else involved in your setup would want their share as well. It's not fair to give one class the payout when there are many other classes at work.
Darthkevin
Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:13 am
#3
I agree! I'm not a Doc, and rarely get buffs.. but i know what they sell for (if you don't make your own) and the price some poeple charge is crazy! and you want more!? if this system is brought in players will stop buffing and then what will you do? hang out in med centers and beg for tips? somthing else that bugs me is the price difference. Why is it some docs charge 8k for a buff (like most of the doc on tempest) and some try and charge 20K (bria) one more thing. Why must the docs hang out right next to the shuttle spaming like crazy causing lag. You know as well as i do tha tif you have your Doc tag on people are going to ask you for buffs, you don't need to spam. I was a master combat medic i people bugged the hell out of me for buffs.
What going to happen (because poeple staying buffed all the time) is thier is going to be a timer put on buffs.
(just like the force crystal from the villiage) the you can only buff for 2 hrs every 3 days. Then what??
Marzuk147
Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:00 pm
#4
Anyone selling buffs should charge whatever they want to. If the price of 15k is too much for a person, they should NOT be using buffs anyway. Anyone who knows how to use buffs to their fullest wouldnt bat an eye at paying 15k, so if they cant afford ti they dont need it.
Also, anyone can feel free to shop around, maybe one doc is charging 20k per buff (and still not making what a combat class can off of the buff LOL) so what, go find another doc.
Let people boycott docs.. its going to hurt them more than it does buff selling docs.
Also, anyone can feel free to shop around, maybe one doc is charging 20k per buff (and still not making what a combat class can off of the buff LOL) so what, go find another doc.
Let people boycott docs.. its going to hurt them more than it does buff selling docs.
Darthkevin
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:28 pm
#5
That's not true. If no one is buy buffs where will the docs male thier money?I've mastered 15 professions and made millions (on three servers) and very rarely get buffed. What will happen is what the devs intended. People will stop running in solo groups and work as a team like they should. The combat classes won't hurt from this. On tempest i made 4 million in 2 months selling rescources and never picked up novice artisian. I was a cammando and scout. I would sell meat and hide and put extractors down where i saw other extractors. All buffs do is give a false sense of security.. which is fine SOMETIMES. but to stay buffed 24/7 is crazy. I've seen it get to the point where a BH killed a jedi, both were unbuffed and the jedi sent him hate mail for 3 days saying "why don't you try that when i'm buffed" A 0-0-0-0 brawler can take out a master brawler if he's buffed. The point is you should know the HAM cost of the specials in your choosen profession and time then to not burn up your ham and most don't because when you are buffed there is none.
Charge whatever you want, doesn't matter to me just stop spamming..
(You know that guy that goes on missions on dantooine when there is no docs buffing?? ....that me.)
Roustabout
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:50 pm
#6
Darthkevin wrote:
That's not true. If no one is buy buffs where will the docs male thier money?I've mastered 15 professions and made millions (on three servers) and very rarely get buffed. What will happen is what the devs intended. People will stop running in solo groups and work as a team like they should. The combat classes won't hurt from this. On tempest i made 4 million in 2 months selling rescources and never picked up novice artisian. I was a cammando and scout. I would sell meat and hide and put extractors down where i saw other extractors. All buffs do is give a false sense of security.. which is fine SOMETIMES. but to stay buffed 24/7 is crazy. I've seen it get to the point where a BH killed a jedi, both were unbuffed and the jedi sent him hate mail for 3 days saying "why don't you try that when i'm buffed" A 0-0-0-0 brawler can take out a master brawler if he's buffed. The point is you should know the HAM cost of the specials in your choosen profession and time then to not burn up your ham and most don't because when you are buffed there is none.
Charge whatever you want, doesn't matter to me just stop spamming..
(You know that guy that goes on missions on dantooine when there is no docs buffing?? ....that me.)
Now replace some of your sentences with "when I havemy weapon"
a BH killed a jedi, both were unbuffed and the jedi sent him hate mail for 3 days saying 'why don't you try that when i have my weapon'
Now with "when I have my armor"
All armor does is give a false sense of security which is fine Sometimes...but to stay armored 24/7 is crazy
Oh, let's go to any server anywhere and you can roll a novice brawler and I'll make a master brawler. If you kill me I'll give you my account for free (provided I can wear armor and have whatever weapon I want since it doesn't matter)
It's not just buffs....some of you people amaze me that you don't realize that 85% armor is absolutely nuts (when combined with buffs). Go see how long you last against NS's, Genosians, and Krayts when you don't have any armor on but are buffed. Now do it with no buffs and just armor. Now do it with both....getting the picture yet?
Edit: Oh, and until you show me written proof of "what the devs intended" don't pretend like you know what they want.
Message Edited by Roustabout on 10-02-2004 07:52 PM
Darthkevin
Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:25 pm
#7
Ok i see your point about the armor.... BUT all the things I did, i did without armor (wookie) as you know wookies just recently got armor.. and armor has encumbance.. and sometimes that encumbance is high as hell ie..450 mind. When you're wearing armor like this it's hurts you worse than not wearing any at all.
but i see your point.
FFNogoodnik
Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:48 am
#8
Honestly, i normally only charge 5k,a little higher in coronet because I do not want to undercut any of the docs that may also be working. I make a very nice profit at 5k. I am tired of reading all of these posts that complain about it and suggest doctor boycotts and the like. I also did think about how the other proffessions would react but I thought I would throw out the idea first the post was long enough as it is 
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.Thanks for reading and replying and above all have fun.
Dr. Frostbite Nogoodnik
Tarquinas
Skwall
Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:40 pm
#9
good idea, but not realistic.
Docs would be getting WAAAYYY too much money, Think about all the ppl you would buff (considering you get a full line) and if they all ran misisons. That would be an insane amount of "free" money back to the Doc.
!* this!!!!
Message Edited by Skwall on 10-03-2004 11:56 PM
Kyodor
Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:04 am
#10
I can make 1 - 1.2 million in a 2h 30 minute buff session. Let's say I make 1.1 Million.
1,100,000 - 100,000 = 1,000,000.
10% of 1,000,000 = 100,000
100k they get? No thanks. If they buff 25 people a day - 2,500,000.
2.5 Million for buffing 25 people? Everyone will be - Screw Chef, Weaponsmith, Armoursmith - I'd rather get paid 100k for buffing.
1,100,000 - 100,000 = 1,000,000.
10% of 1,000,000 = 100,000
100k they get? No thanks. If they buff 25 people a day - 2,500,000.
2.5 Million for buffing 25 people? Everyone will be - Screw Chef, Weaponsmith, Armoursmith - I'd rather get paid 100k for buffing.
KrogaMasi
Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:06 am
#11
I dunno, I am so sick of people complaining about buff prices after all the work I do this is starting to sound good. Note the disclaimer.
lestudent
Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:42 am
#12
as far as i know someone that gets a buff can get a solo group and pay his or her buff after the first mission 3 times over, i say RAISE the buffs!!!
Penecillian
Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:22 am
#13
Simply charge what you want. You are the Master Doc. If they don't want the buff they'll leave, if they start harrassing you, the devs did something kewl. They put in a lil thing call'd ignore. I have been a master doc since August 03 and still use the same buff packs I made the day I became master. No I don't sit out and spam that I am buffing. For the longest I didn't even wear my tag. But people knew whoI was and asked politely for buffs. I only charge 5k+any tip if customer wants to tip. Sure I make my own, I collect my own meat and resources. But on the same token I am not a millionare or even close in any sense. But I enjoy my proffesion. If you are having a hard time with Doc and the wound'd time to try another proffesion.
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