Development Cycle Archive

Thread: IT 7-8: Camp Restrictions Removed

SWG-Runesabre
Thu Jun 26, 2003 8:50 am
#1

Thank you for testing, Feisen.
Thunderheart
Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:59 pm
#2



After Publish 7, players will no longer be required to be in camps to pull out Vehicles, Mounts, Droids or Pets and can pull them out wherever they are, eliminating the player inconveniences of having to find rural areas far from cities, lairs and other no-build zones in order to build a camp. The basic rules of calling Vehicles, Mounts, Droids or Pets are:fficeffice" />



· A player will not be able to call a vehicle/mount/pet/droid during combat or 60 seconds after combat is concluded.


· There is a 30 second delay after you call for a vehicle/mount/pet/droid before it will generate.


· A player will not be able to call a mount/pet/droid while mounted or on a vehicle.


· A player will not be able to call a vehicle while mounted or on a vehicle.


· Camps have retained their original vehicle/mount/pet/droid calling abilities so that either method can be used by players.



Were you able to pull your vehicle/mount/pet/droid without any problems?


If you have the ability to make camps, do your “old” camping abilities still work properly?




Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager
Utess
Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:39 pm
#3

So far the system seems to be working well. However:


In my own home I can instantly pull out a pet/droid.

In a player city I can instantly pull out a pet/droid.


but


In a merchant tent in a player city I have to wait 30 seconds for my droid/pet to be pulled out. This seems somewhat silly since I am literally less than 3 feet away from being outside and able to pull my pets/droids instantly. It just seems a little silly to make the 30 second rule apply to merchant tents, or at least merchant tents placed in city limits.



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Markarian
Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:48 pm
#4

I just gotta say I really HATE the 30-sec rule..

Come on - why can't ya just removed it COMPLETELY, or set it at as small as like 5 sec? To wait 30 sec every d*mn time I call a pet is just very irritating..



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Imperio59
Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:58 pm
#5

I'll agree that 30 seconds is long, but the real killer is 60 seconds after combat. Consider reducing to 25 or 20 seconds and 45-40 seconds for the "after combat" change.


But it's cool, finally was able to drop scout as well! to pick it back up 20 minutes later to harvest this new nabooian avian on TC... Oooooh i love my new buff packs






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NCIceman
Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:47 pm
#6

So am I to understand that if I pull my pet/veh out near my residence or in a city as I currently can, it will be immediate and not subject to the 30 second delay?



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uofwi92
Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:50 pm
#7

After Publish 7, players will no longer be required to be in camps to pull out Vehicles, Mounts, Droids or Pets and can pull them out wherever they are, eliminating the player inconveniences of having to find rural areas far from cities, lairs and other no-build zones in order to build a camp. The basic rules of calling Vehicles, Mounts, Droids or Pets are:



· A player will not be able to call a vehicle/mount/pet/droid during combat or 60 seconds after combat is concluded.

· There is a 30 second delay after you call for a vehicle/mount/pet/droid before it will generate.

· A player will not be able to call a mount/pet/droid while mounted or on a vehicle.

· A player will not be able to call a vehicle while mounted or on a vehicle.

· Camps have retained their original vehicle/mount/pet/droid calling abilities so that either method can be used by players.



Were you able to pull your vehicle/mount/pet/droid without any problems?

If you have the ability to make camps, do your “old” camping abilities still work properly?

Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Assistant Community Relations Manager



Why such a long delay? What's the deal? Personally, I don't want to wait around for 30 seconds. In all honesty, I'd rather you kept camps. I can make camp and whip out a vehicle in about 3 seconds. Waiting around 10 times longer than that is just dumb.

What exploit are you trying to prevent here? Seems to me the combat restrictions are pretty prohibitive...



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HoTron-rex
Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:17 pm
#8

they're trying to prevent people from breaking out pets in the wild for pvp on the spot and gaining an "unfair suprise poke advantage"... I liken thinking like this to people attempting to apply old rules to a new system and devs that as usual are out of touch with the pvp community that they themselves create with all these changes. no smart person in their right mind ever plans on pvping as a CH anymore... you're just asking to die. I really dont see how this is even an exploitable issue here TH. you guys nerfed CH out of PvP so who cares? sorry bout the flames, but if you really get down to it it is in fact the truth.


if you want to keep the time delay why not up it to 15 seconds and 30 after combat is completed. then CHs cant break out pets fast for pvp and your "exploit" is gone, and people dont have to wait. you seem to have overshot and not really had a good sense of pvp here



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Knightemplar
Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:28 pm
#9

The 30 second penalty is also in effect for medical droids within the player city cantinas.
RohmEnari
Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:49 am
#10

Not that I am complaining, because I know that sometime down the road this will get fixed, but does this not make rangers and scouts obsolete now? I have no idea where the development team is headed after the two droid engineer publishes, but perhaps some time could be spent on a publish to revamp the squad leader and ranger professions, two of the most obsolete and useless professions in game. I have never been a squad leader so I cannot comment on how their profession works, I only know from what I have heard that is is utterly useless. I am a ranger however and can tell you that the only thing we can do right now is areatrack and harvest animal resources. Areatrack is good for either finding animals to harvest resources, but considering as how the spawns are so random and we only have a range of 500m, it is pretty much useless. It is also being used for hunting Jedi, which is again a useless tool due to the range. I have gotten many requests to hunt jedi, all of which i turned down due to being an Antarian Ranger and also due to the fact that the people who have asked me to help do not understand that I cannot just plop down on any given planet, use areatrack once, and get a fix on a target. WE ONLY HAVE A 500 METER RANGE!!! Areatrack aside, we still can harvest animal resources......woo hoo. It takes too long to collect a decent stack of meat people will buy and the whole time I am collecting this meat, I am tediously going through the idiotic routine of endless combat with animal NPC's. This is not what I consider fun. I make my money in game by selling resources I get from my harvesters. Now I rarely ever complain about the ranger profession, due to the fact that I like being a ranger and I like the community, but I just want the developers to know that we still exist and we hope to have what can potentially be a great profession revamped in the near future. The ranger community already did a lot of the work. "The Outdoorsman" proposal submitted by NRaas was outstanding and should not be overlooked. Please just remember that we are patiently waiting our turn. This was just a friendly reminder we exist.




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RabidEwok2
Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:05 am
#11

30 sec seems a little long. How about 15 or 10 sec?


(I haven't actually tested this though.)






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Feisen
Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:46 am
#12

Tested with calling a landspeeder in city, in camp, in wilderness, and in wilderness prior to initiating combat. So far working as advertised...




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MaVTheLeeT
Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:05 am
#13

Heres what I propose:


Give a skill to master CH that allows them to call PETS ONLY 5 seconds apon call or something, that way we don't have to wait 30 seconds...I suppose we could just call camps because we have to be novice CH anyway.
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