Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Jedi Feedback 6-23-04: Core Combat Change
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duckhat
Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:27 pm
#105
Hello
I am a long time fan of starwars. i have almost all of the books videos games. basiclly I have spent alot of money on the what i think to be a great epic story line. retired and very well to do so i have encouraged and indulged my 3 children in thier love of your works also. they own Kotor and jedi outcast and jedi academy, rouge squadron and most other games they bare the starwars name. well when Starwars galaxies came out I was looking forward to it! i spent around $5000.00 buying new computers and equipent so my children and I could coudl share this experiance toghter.
well sadlyI most report that my 2 sons and daughter have long since stopped playing thier bounty hunters and have went back to james bond 007 game. They found that what has happened to the bounty hunters in this game "stupid". well I being a huge fan of Boba Fett was also looking forward to the bounty hunter role also.
but after what will happen to the profession tomorrow i dont feel i can play the game anymore. I am sure that nothing you could say to SOE would change what the developers of SWG are doing to the game but I feel i ahve lost three future bigtime fans of Starwars.
Sincerly
Kevin
Algjp
Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:03 pm
#106
so did this go live? it was in the patch notes when I went to sleep but now it's not.
dannyny22
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:26 pm
#108
TH-
I just want you to understand that by making the Publish 10 quests group oriented you are making many of us players second guess your knowledge of star wars. This isn't to knock you guys but you really need to understand that these quests should be soloed ONLY. Becoming a jedi should be ones personal quest alone. They shouldn't be easy of course but making it group oriented is something that can quite possibly be the worst thing that has ever happened to the game. I'd even go as far as saying that the HOLOGRind would be a better way than GROUP QUESTS. Please for the sake of the players I ask you to heed my words.
Jaded_Lady
Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:12 am
#109
Again I am going to say this... do NOT come into a game to spend quality time with your family... no game can maintainthat happy balance at all times... this game is based on Star Wars but in reality this whole place even Star Wars is fiction... so why does it even matter... its a mere game that you are suppose to play as a pasttime and fun... not to be so serious or get so disappointed over it that you let it drift into your real life.
You know I have no clue why I even care to waste my breath but I want the DEVs to know that despite all the negativity shown that I think they try their best. Not every game server is the same as the next, not everything is going to run perfectly all the time.I have always tried to understand changes even if I felt they were not the best judgement... and in the beginning there were times that change upset me such as all the people that screamed CH nerf... when this occured I merely let go of the profession and moved on to the next... upset me, yes it did... break me, no it didn't... some of us are stronger than that... that is why we are still in this game.
Jedi changes are to fix things that never should have made Jedi so vulnerable. It is not suppose to be easy for a Bounty Hunter to kill a Jedi... where did you ever see this occur is beyond me. I have to roll my eyes though cause I still remember the first time I was on the Bounty Hunter terminals... my thoughts are how pathetic, a Jedi can't even hunt with other Jedi or other people without getting visibility and on the terminals hence they must solo alone, which wouldn't be so bad but you have your occasional Imperial that comes along and pokes at you while you are stacked with aggro on you and kills you all cause of the tefand let me see.. ohhh even Rebels stop to gawk, now granted they mean well but the Jedi is trying to stay out of sight to not get visibility on the terminals and some people lack this comprehension and want to stand there and ask you questions even though they can see you have sheathed your lightsaber and equipped a weapon you don't even normally use and the mobs are still hitting on you... <smacks forehead>.. talk about dense people and of coarse you don't want to be rude. So, yes for all that say Jedi should be punished for showing visibility, think upon these situations... Jedi never hunted to get their xp yet that is the mechanics in this game, Jedi usually did not roam out and about alone unless adequately able to protect themself... that means Jedi are not suppose to be equivalent to Bounty Hunters even though Bounty Hunters are suppose to be rough/tough in battle... whine all you want the reality is that after one does Jedi Knight trials they get a permanent Overt status... so allthe blood lusty killers can seek them out and trytheir best to kill them since they will be Overt status henceforth.
You know it is my thoughts that most hatred of Jedi is not roleplay based its probably more envious nature... meaning if you can't have one you wish to try to ruin those that exist... <shrugs>... as I have said many times Jedi are not "eye candy", its hard to level them, many gave up long ago and left only to return when space expansion takes place. Out of the hundreds of players on each server there are only a handful of Jedi, some of which have left the game even. I am glad that these changes come about to correct the things that were offset... those that want to complain about change only fear it because they fear their "power" being taken away... think about this in all realityone never should have had the ability to so easily take out a Jedi... what ever happened to a Jedi sensing danger approaching... we are robbed of this, so an approaching Bounty Hunter or Imperial ALWAYS had the upper hand cause undoubtedly they would come upon the Jedi with a ton of aggro on them and instead of doing the rightful thing and waiting for the Jedi to clear the aggro, they blow up their bike and commence attack on them the cowardly way... care to comment or does the truth hurt? I have many stories of the despicable nature shown within a game but why even bother.. as I said above... we are here in this game for fun thats all that should matter and the game should not spill over into your real life and visa versa too.
mottola2u
Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:05 pm
#110
a little advise from a dabbler, in RL that is. One thing I ran across in my education is a book called THE PRINCE, written around 1500 AD by Nicolo Machiavelli. it presents advice to a new prince, much of which is still quoted/practiced today.
and so i offer you one of his prime tenets: give the people the bad (news/deeds/rules) all at once. spread the good (news/favors/rules) out over time.
You are breaking this tenet if you release this functionality outside of CB, and frankly are disregarding 500+ years of history.
Familiarize yourself with history, for the path we tread surely aimsto repeat its failures.
and I couldn't resist:
who is the more foolish - the fool, or the fool who follows the fool?
we won't be made fools.
Abivion
Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:46 pm
#111
Ok no offince intented here. I'm not here to complan about this all to mutch, and i know you are all trying to make this game the best that it can be, And let me say i think you are. However I feel I must bering one thing to the board, and please for give my misspelling i'm not very good at spelling. Now has I was saying. You guys really should focues a little more on getting pub 10 out. at lest into testing some time soon, Becuz, has you have said there will be no more jedi tell after pub 10 since pub 9, And on that subjected. I can can stand haveing little liklyhood of getting a jedi, but none what so ever? and pushing back this pub now has far has i see it. Is not really a good thing to do. simply for the matter that soon it's gonna start pushing JTL back has well, and i'm farly sure once that start happening swg is gonna start loseing more players then it has been (alot waiting for jtl then they will come back), but if you wait to long befor doing so somethign eals may come out that will draw those players away never to return. I would merly like to see the eta on pub remain stable at this point, and not move back anymore, and to see it hit test center some time soon becuz it shows that you guys really are trying your best. I would in this case suggest that you might worry about any lesser bug fixes tell after this point maybe has i'm fairly sure a lot of player await pub 10. Agian I am truly sorry to be annonyign ina ny way shape or form, but i feel this must be said, and since this is the fourm for jedi feed back i figered this would be the place to put it. If there is a better place that this should go please tell me and i will move it there has soon has i can. Also i may only be a player, but i like this game. If there is ANYTHING i can do help otu in any way no matter how small. talking to my friend in-game and reinforceing there faith in the game. Please tell me I'd be more then happy to. So thank you for hearing me out and I hope you all the best (not to mintchign a very good break and good rewards for you all has i'm sure the tasks latly have been very donting. Vamor Keta Aven Night
Flurry Abivion
part time test center Abivion
P.S. by the way great job with pub 9 guys
Jediforcefighter
Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:29 am
#112
kool, that's a thought, abivion, Dev can put the publish 10 into the test center in pieces. I am bored out of my mind waiting for pub 10. working at the fs slot(even though Test center-Bria might be taken down once pub 10 hits the real server) gives me something to do and also helps work out the bugs on those pieces instead of trying to find them all all together. Waiting for pub 10 is just too long of a wait. I like this game, but turning off the jedi activation is killin me. Give us something to do, even if it's in the test center. Even if you have to change the stuff while we're working on it in the TC, it happened to most of us already when the game came out. We were lab rats, and if being a lab rat gives me something to do, i'll take it. Just please don't leave us without anything to do, for waiting makes me wrinkley. Woohoo, i love being a lab rat when im bored.
HavelockVetinari
Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:38 pm
#113
If you increase jedi accuracy (even if you don't), you *must* give defender more defense. A master defender should be the single hardest-to-hit person in the game. Right now there are many templates and combinations of templates that offer vastly superior defense. In addition, by nerfing the effectiveness of jedi toughness against lightsabers you made the defense tree worthless for jedi vs. jedi combat. A good first step would be to add at least as much dodge to this tree as fencers receive, but ultimately jedi toughness should be made effective against sabers again.
Avoid incapacitation, a master defender's premiere power, can only be used for at best a few minutes, assuming you enter the fight with the intention of doing nothing but avoid incap. FR3, on the other hand, allows a jedi to flit in and out of combat at will for such a lower force cost that the jedi can do this indefinitely. Avoid incap should have the same force cost and duration as FR3 to keep the templates roughly even; even then, FR3 is better because you can escape the dire situation entirely, whereas eventually the defender will die, but there would be some parity there. A defender is invariably stuck on the battlefield due to lack of mobility, which is as it should be, but the defender should be able to last an insane amount of time on that battlefield. Right now master defender is a joke, and master enhance is so obviously overpowered that it's no wonder that all but one of the completed jedi templates on my server include force run 3.
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