Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever
NL-Sneeuw
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:19 am
#1080
Sesik wrote:
ACIDKOOL wrote:
WoW > SWG
That about sums up my feelings at this point.
agree
Exp24
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:19 am
#1081
.........Enlighten me. How are these major schedual changes going to make SWG the finest MMORPG ever?
It's quite obvious that your expectations are unrealistic. It's like you think the state of the game is something to be proud of.
It's NOT, maybe you're an optimist? But still, you have to understand that this game is falling apart at the seams, and repeated delays of
the combat/gcw balance is that reason.
nefarious2
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:23 am
#1082
Krayvex wrote:
Kaessa wrote:
This is entertainment, folks.. if it ain't entertaining.. why are you doing it? It's certainly not something to burst a blood vessel over.
No insults. It's more than entertainment. It's a service.A PAID FOR service. When someone is giving you something for free and they completely screw it up, you cut them slack. When you're paying for it there's a responsibility for them to provide what was agreed upon. Alot of us have been paying our monthly fee because we were under the impression that it was going in part to fund the development of the combat balance. That's what we were told. By being told that, it became the service agreement.
Now that we found out they weren't working on it, we are sort of feeling used and ripped off. We paid for something that wasn't delivered. That's what's got people upset. It's not fun to be lied to and strung on this long anyway, but when it's over something you've paid for, and by someone you've hired to provide it, it's worse.
I think the service we are paying for id them to design JtL. I haven't bought JtL yet, so I don't feel that my money should be paid for something I don't have access to. Who funded the Devs when they were designing the game??? If you are taking the Devs from the core game and putting them to JtL while still paying them my money STOP IT RIGHT NOW and hire devs to work soley on JtL and keep the devs that are fixxing the game I am paying you for.
I may not by JtL when it is first released so I won't have any of the crap that is broken yet, don't make me pay for something that I don't have access to, and if the Beta is off of our current accounts, then I hope they give everyone th option to log onto it since it is another thing that we are paying for.
TashunkaSapa
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:23 am
#1083
TH -I wish you'd made this post a day earlier, I wouldn't have bothered to renew. This is the most monumental example of misplaced priorities I've ever seen.It seems like SOE is gambling that the customers they gain with JtL will be more than the customers they lose due to alienation about these broken promises... that's no way to do business.
Isit too much for us to expect that you'll fix what's broken before you keep adding new content? You've been promising the Combat Balance since last fall - and every time the Dev Team is given the opportunity to implement it, they elect to distract us with "new content" instead. More often than not, the new content comes with new bugs that need to be fixed,further delaying the needed balance. Get your priorities straight and start taking care of the subscribers you have before you go looking for new ones. If you can't show us some loyalty, don't expect any in return.
In case it hasn't occurred to anyone on your team, Kurt, balance is something a game should have from the beginning and improving it should be the top priority in any game. In your first "20 Questions" a couple months ago, fully 80% of your answers boiled down to "wait for the Combat Rebalance". Your own answers should indicate what your team's top priority should be.
Seriously, you've got a LONG way to go to make SWG "the finest MMORPG ever", and this latest announcement isn't heading in the right direction.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
Rubicon47BC
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:23 am
#1084
Kaessa wrote:
I'm trying to point out that people are just taking it a *tad* too seriously. I've seen posts in this thread that are just mind-boggling in their fury. This is entertainment, folks.. if it ain't entertaining.. why are you doing it? It's certainly not something to burst a blood vessel over.
Maybe the problem is that screaming at TH and the Devs about the GCW is the closest this has ever come or will ever come to being a 'Galactic Civil War'. Currently I am enjoying myselfchewing out the Devs a whole lot more that I was the last few months logging into the game.
cyrielle
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:23 am
#1085
Isn't it obvious why they pushed back pub 10?It isn't to polish things,that's because by putting it so soon during summer vacations powergamers would fly through it and finish their quests too fast.Time is money and by placing pub 10 so close to when people go back to school or work they are ensured that it will take longer to figure it out or finish the path.So you have to play more hence pay more,like a pevious poster said it's all about money.I will stay till august,if the quests aren't there by then I will cancel till JTL too and play it till WOW comes.Because seriously besides jedi stuff what is there left to do?DWB?It sucks,need a zerg force,lost 3 composite chests.The corvette?Fun,did it,got blasted by those troopers on steroids,lost more composite chests.The Geo lab?Cool,actually one that I enjoyed,I still had to buy the loot but I liked the place.So now what is there left to do?I mastered the professions I wanted to master,architect,DE,tailor,smuggler,commando,BH,BE.Oh yes I didn't master them all yet but why would I since I'm not interested in the others professions?I am mastering dancer right now to have something to do.PVP?No thanks,if I wanted PVP I would go to a PVP server.Oh wait,there is none unlike EQ where they created the Zek servers just for the PVPers and blue servers for the PVEers.Might consider doing that in the future too.Some people hate PVP and it would be nice to make a server just for those so that well jedis can enjoy their profession too without being griefed by BHs.I don't give a damn of those who show off in cantinas,that's why I am all for the saber TEF,if you show off you deserve to be killed.But jedi bounties are forced PVP,like FF11 has become a crappy forced grouping MMO.Nobody forces me to do this or that?Actually SOE does,I don't see why I couldn't enjoy jedi stuff and not PVP.Don't like it then leave?If things go on like this I surely will.
I sincerely hope pub 10 will be great,really I do.But it's taking way too long,pushing back other stuff.As a master smuggler I was eager to know about the revamp too.Sure the stuff you're putting in for it like that space casino is cool.But in the meantime couldn't we get something to hold us till that comes,like an actual use for the underworld tree besides faction stuff?BH have spynet ops why can't smugglers have contacts in the milieu or in a criminal organisation that give them missions to do?
Combat revamp well sure I'd like to see this too but hummm not to be mean but I've been playing since beta 3 and I'm still sliding on my butt when sitted,will you ever fix that?If you can change a whole combat system how much effort is it to just fix a minor bug that has been there since launch?I can see it,flying an X wing and suddenly poping out of my cockpit,lol.
Vagrantprodigy
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:24 am
#1086
Exp24 wrote:
.........Enlighten me. How are these major schedual changes going to make SWG the finest MMORPG ever?
It's quite obvious that your expectations are unrealistic. It's like you think the state of the game is something to be proud of.
It's NOT, maybe you're an optimist? But still, you have to understand that this game is falling apart at the seams, and repeated delays of
the combat/gcw balance is that reason.
Yeah, at this rate, SWG might be the most overrated MMO in history, but not the best.
Ilia
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:24 am
#1087
Incidentally, are there any assurances as these tweaks to help the CB along are added that our favoured professions won't be nerfed one or two at a time then the "tweaks" are abandoned to await CB or work on JTL and they are left in the same state as the poor CH's?
I can imagine that a lot of people could be very, much harmed if they start to implement these tweaks and then do what they did last November.
Oh, I just read the stratics chat transcript too... guess what? It suggests that CH is effectively getting another pass! Well, the creatures are... same thing in many ways. That is kind of an admission that they got the first attempt at combat balance wrong.
Be afraid of what you wish for.
Ilia.
PoeDime
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:25 am
#1088
Man TH I would not want to be you having to deal with this thread (again)on its way to 50 pages and has been only up a day. Maby telling the devs to do combat balance first is in order 
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Kharrissa
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:26 am
#1089
I am not surprised.
The developers have disrespected the players and the Star Wars franchise again.
ThePaladinLord
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:29 am
#1090
My 2 accounts , my dollars and me are takin' a LONG vacation.
Seeya ! SWG has been the most disappointing gaming experience EVER.
Seeya ! SWG has been the most disappointing gaming experience EVER.
Tonteth
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:30 am
#1091
Thunderheart wrote:
Thorolfsk wrote:
Thunderheart can you please respond to these questions:
- Can the development team please provide the community with a valid reason for pushing back the combat revamp?
The most important reasons are:
- I understand that there are many people against having Jedi in the game, but it is part of the game. En masse, the community was adamant that we change the holocron/professions system and that time is now. Given the effort that went in to publish 9, we needed to clear the schedule and make room for publish 10 to do a better job on it. The Jedi system needed to be changed because it was effecting everyone. That is why it had the shceudling priority that it has.
- The Combat Balance is a huge publish and will have as much code in it as a console game. Its huge. We need the expertise and the manpower to do it correctly.
With all due respect, why release a expansion pack before fixing problems already existing within the game?
I would start with "With all due respect", but you used it =P, soin short and with respect, this isn't "just an expansion". This is Space. Space is something that everyone wanted at launch and Space is needed to create the Star Wars experience.
The other side of that is that JTL has been in production since January. We can't delaysix and half months of work for something that really makes Star Wars what it is.
Assuming theexpansion will have a few problems, wouldn't that just create alarger backlog for you guys, and take time away from other problems?
Those integration problems are being accounted for and that's why we needed more scheduling time. Publish 10 and taking the extra time to make integration with the ground game smoother is the time from the schedule that was needed. All in all, they were very difficult decisions to make.
LOL! Where the hell is the cancel button. Space is more important then the 32 broken professions? I don't think so stupid.
Angoris
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:32 am
#1092
If I had more legal knowledge I would seriously look into a class-action lawsuit against Sony for promising a product and not delivering. Almost 50 pages now SOE... you might want to make a statement and/or a rebuttal regarding this issue before you lose your "loyal" fanbase and draw nothing but flavor of the month players.