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man haldan foth had some good things in his thread that every bh should look at. that is an incredible way to look at the bh line although i would have liked a better carbine to shoot with. but why do u persist in flaming someone when all they were trying to do was to help u. he has MASTERED the profession and u havent why wouldnt u listen to someone that has already done it and impart wisdom to someone else? is there a reason that u are so mad that someone has done it before u or is it that u think u are the only person that knows anything? take advice but dont shove it in anyones face when they are trying to help u even after u spit in their face. thats rude.

no, you have taken my words out of context.I wonder why?

but I will speak down to you since you asked me.

First of all, you are but a baby of a bounty hunter, as ur claim to be a 2/1/2/3. What makes you think that you have any insight into the higherlevels of bh. You do not have one decent shot from the bh line yet with the skills to execute them with out worry.

Indeed, I can see why you want defense so bad, you have not sufficiently managed your character in a manner that gives any edge.I understand why you get ur butt handed to you, it is obvious for any Master Bounty Hunter to see.

Here is my advice to you,

1. Stop Invest line, for now.

2. Level ur LLC.

3. Level ur Carbine.

4. Level ur Pistol.

5.Level Invest.

I say these in this order due to how u show your skills. The invest line is not going to help you really in gaining xp. I suggest going to Rori and Hunting Tortons, Talus for Tortors,and/or Tatooine for Banthas. All have valuable resources you can sell aswell.

We are offensive, you need to achieve an offensive edge. Byleveling ur LLC you will find that itis one nice gun. The invest line is not going to help you really in gaining xp for weapons. I suggest going to Rori and Hunting Tortons, Talus for Tortors,and/or Tatooine for Banthas. All have valuable resources you can sell aswell. If you got a bunch of friends and can group, killing high level mobs help alot too. However, I have had better success at killing these things by myself.

Leveling your carbine next is imperative and is actually, in my opinion, our bread and butter shots. Once you are leveled if you knock someone down, they may not get up. With this said, the affect varies. I suggest that you make a macro that resembles FKD/Dizzy/UnderhandShot/heal. I like to add a heal to my macros to give back the ham I spent shooting them. These work not so good on mobs, npc's like a charm-but i have never seen it work on a dark jedi or upper end nightsister. For Mobs, revisit your old marksman line, I suggest making a macro I call ShooAway, warningshot/threatenshot/suppressionfire. This will help you alot when hunting mobs for xp and they start to get too close. dont forget the very helpful Phenacine darts aswell, only for MOBS.

Leveling your pistol, do the same as above. Eyeshot is overated and once you get master, i doubt you will use it. The blinding affect is nice. The meat and potatoes of our pistol line is Torso Shot. The dmg is nothing to get over excited about, but the dot of fire is nice, and at the moment it kills.

As you begin to level, you will not want speed slices to ur weapons, dmg slices as you will be shooting every second regardless of pistol or carbine gun speed. The LLC is a bit different. I prefere a speed slice to this, but I have a damage slice on another for when you need the extra punch.

ok, ive written this to help you Haldan and anyone else who is low on the bh scale and thinks the world is against them. If you want to be an uber pvp guy, you chose the wrong profession. While we are deadly, I would suggest pistoleer and smuggler.

I have a partner who is a master weaponsmith. We tested in great detail virtually every shot in the game on virtually every kind of player. However, the changes from the last patch change our data due to the changes in the skill mods. I know more about this game and its mechanics than I like.

Summary,

Your character is too weak to fight successfully in pvp at this point, like it or not, thats the truth. I have given you a customized plan to bring you to master in a fast and efficient manner. If you use this or not, I dont really care.

My point is this, you are not qualified to speak to me regarding our profession. You have alot to learn about your character and how to manage him. You have to work to be a good PVP player or whatever style of game play one may prefer. Once you level and learn how to manage ur character effectively your issues regarding defense may or may not change. But YOU W.

no, you have taken my words out of context.I wonder why?

but I will speak down to you since you asked me.

First of all, you are but a baby of a bounty hunter, as ur claim to be a 2/1/2/3. What makes you think that you have any insight into the higherlevels of bh. You do not have one decent shot from the bh line yet with the skills to execute them with out worry.

Indeed, I can see why you want defense so bad, you have not sufficiently managed your character in a manner that gives any edge.I understand why you get ur butt handed to you, it is obvious for any Master Bounty Hunter to see.

Here is my advice to you,

1. Stop Invest line, for now.

2. Level ur LLC.

3. Level ur Carbine.

4. Level ur Pistol.

5.Level Invest.

I say these in this order due to how u show your skills. The invest line is not going to help you really in gaining xp. I suggest going to Rori and Hunting Tortons, Talus for Tortors,and/or Tatooine for Banthas. All have valuable resources you can sell aswell.

We are offensive, you need to achieve an offensive edge. Byleveling ur LLC you will find that itis one nice gun. The invest line is not going to help you really in gaining xp for weapons. I suggest going to Rori and Hunting Tortons, Talus for Tortors,and/or Tatooine for Banthas. All have valuable resources you can sell aswell. If you got a bunch of friends and can group, killing high level mobs help alot too. However, I have had better success at killing these things by myself.

Leveling your carbine next is imperative and is actually, in my opinion, our bread and butter shots. Once you are leveled if you knock someone down, they may not get up. With this said, the affect varies. I suggest that you make a macro that resembles FKD/Dizzy/UnderhandShot/heal. I like to add a heal to my macros to give back the ham I spent shooting them. These work not so good on mobs, npc's like a charm-but i have never seen it work on a dark jedi or upper end nightsister. For Mobs, revisit your old marksman line, I suggest making a macro I call ShooAway, warningshot/threatenshot/suppressionfire. This will help you alot when hunting mobs for xp and they start to get too close. dont forget the very helpful Phenacine darts aswell, only for MOBS.

Leveling your pistol, do the same as above. Eyeshot is overated and once you get master, i doubt you will use it. The blinding affect is nice. The meat and potatoes of our pistol line is Torso Shot. The dmg is nothing to get over excited about, but the dot of fire is nice, and at the moment it kills.

As you begin to level, you will not want speed slices to ur weapons, dmg slices as you will be shooting every second regardless of pistol or carbine gun speed. The LLC is a bit different. I prefere a speed slice to this, but I have a damage slice on another for when you need the extra punch.

ok, ive written this to help you Haldan and anyone else who is low on the bh scale and thinks the world is against them. If you want to be an uber pvp guy, you chose the wrong profession. While we are deadly, I would suggest pistoleer and smuggler.

I have a partner who is a master weaponsmith. We tested in great detail virtually every shot in the game on virtually every kind of player. However, the changes from the last patch change our data due to the changes in the skill mods. I know more about this game and its mechanics than I like.

Summary,

Your character is too weak to fight successfully in pvp at this point, like it or not, thats the truth. I have given you a customized plan to bring you to master in a fast and efficient manner. If you use this or not, I dont really care.

My point is this, you are not qualified to speak to me regarding our profession. You have alot to learn about your character and how to manage him. You have to work to be a good PVP player or whatever style of game play one may prefer. Once you level and learn how to manage ur character effectively your issues regarding defense may or may not change. Butyou will be qualified to speak on the subject with knowledge and understanding. Asking for improvements to a profession fro which you are not qualified halfway thru just makes you look foolish.

Foth!

try, fail, learn, gain wisdom, teach wisdom, gain respect!

lol,

I knew it, I caught me a sucker, a Haldan sucker!

S'ok,

I've had a jackass by the tail since page 4. (Yes, I mean you Foth.)

Now if you're through trolling, I'm done flaming and hopefully this thread can accomplish something worthwhile.

well from someone who does pvp a lot then i dont see whats really the prob like in most or all pvp encounters have someone who can heal u. with that said eyeball your opponent and find out what kind of saves that they have if i can do it so can u

im a MBH, and i pvp more than i hunt mobs and such. I have fought every profession under the sun, and lemme tell ya, going up against another BH or a commando makes my mouth water, my kd's actually work on those 2 professions. the only reason i dont get kd'd every 2 seconds is cuz of the pistoleer defenses i have.

now, foth, obviously you havent pvp'd a master rifleman, i have a 115 pistol accuracy mod, and only hit a master rifleman maybe 1 out of 5 shots, he shoots once, im dead.

the other thing is, we have no delay moves, smuggler get panic shot in second box of their pistol skill tree, can you defend panic shot? NO YOU CANT

and my final gripe about MBH, takes up 217 skill points, rediculous. we should be rewarded appropriately for the skill points used. You could be a master rifleman, a master pistoleer, have the entire pistol tree from smuggler, unarmed combat from brawler, and be a novice med, AND still have 3 points left over, all in one character, thats a bit rediculous.

A bh can be a bh, and thats about it, i chose part of the pistoleer line for the mods and kd/dizzy defenses, but i sure wish i could have good ole novice medic back

I see master rifleman as a type of sniper. A sniper should kill you with or two shots and be difficult to be hit. To go against a sniper, you need another sniper, or use tactics that circumvents his strong points. However, you are right, I do not believe I ever pvp'd a master rifleman. However, if your reading haldans remarks, he has never quoted me correctly.

I believe that they meant pvp to be a group thing, using tactics as in a squad rather than trying to go toe to toe. This is the perspective I see the whole pvp thing. I do agree that our offensive capabilities do not equate to the benefit of some defensive mods. I dont believe any profession is meant to be a solo army of one. All professions have built in weaknesses and strengths. I also believe this game was really meant to be played once you have utilized your skill points. Thus, with most professions, its fairly easy to master in a very quick period of time. Its about character development and management.

Lucky-Strike, being a Master Bounty Hunter your input into the question has more weight than from those whomhave notfinished their character and whine that they are not strong or defensive enough to take on targetsthat they are not strong enough to handle in the first place. Its like sending in untrained fighters against a trained fighter. Its nota big surprise who will win.Utilizing knowledge is essentially what is known as common sense. I noticed an individual whom seems to not have much of this. So, I tried to helpthe kid out.As pointed out, I basically should not banter with a 13 year old and thisis a good point.So I let it go.

Personally, I feel that thisissue is better discussedin the BH forumn where more Masterscan speak on the subject.

Foth!

Just a thought....why not have bh mission terminals that give out missions for groups? These missions would be for grps of two or more folks, having the same mission waypoint, greater mission payout, higher difficulty, shared invest xp...stop making the invest line a solitary line to persue and make it a friendly romp

paz

I don't get the skill points argument. Why does spending 217 points on BH entitle you to deserve the best combat moves?

I'm a master architect and weaponsmith! I spent 200 skill points! Therefore *I* should be able to beat any master pistoleer or master rifleman in combat!!! I should because I spent WAY more skill points than them.

That whole line of argument is a fallacy. A joke. It means nothing. Being a Bounty Hunter entitles you to one thing - being a bounty hunter. It allows you to track down Jedi at Master. It should allow you to run fun missions. If this game were designed properly, it would allow you to take player missions. You should be able to use your investigative skills for more things that matter in the game and in the GCW, such as tracking down bases and what not. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Let's hope that changes.

In the meantime, if you don't like the combat skills of BH, then don't be a BH. I don't understand all this whining. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'm of the mind that if you don't like what you're doing, do something else. Or just deal with it, learn your advantages and disadvantages, and work with others to accomplish that end. I remember when BH's (before various nerfs and upgrades to other professions) were the end-all-be-all of PvP with their knockdowns and eyeshot. So maybe that's the problem. All you wanna-be-ubers became BH (just like all the whiny CHs that we're having to deal with now). And you can't handle not being able to kill anybody at any time. Just think of it as more challenge. Now your kills will actually indicate "some* accomplishment rather than a simple mashing of the eyeshot and knockdown skills.

Blair what about Jedi Missions not working and our marks attacking anyone this patch?

Ok, I've been playing for a while now and I've player several different professions. Including Rifleman, Pistoleer, and BH. In my opinion originally the BH had the advantage because of their firepower (Excluding Commando, as I've never played a commando). I quit the BH profession because of the buggy missions. Not because I felt I lacked anything in combat. I also agree with the person who wrote that it is rediculous to expect to be the toughest class just because you spent the most skill points. The BH does get some things that no other class gets (As they all should).

As a novice BH I was making 5k credits per mission and I could do those missions VERY quickly. That was before I took investigation. Then everything went bad. Mostly just because of how buggy things were. What I think is funny is that it seems like many of the BH's who complain about their fighting abilities don't often or ever run bounty missions. They are just looking for a powerful class to PVP or else they just like the title.

Just my humble opinion.

Combat does not equal crafting..if you cant see this, then maybe you shoudl work for SOE....and yeah, I 1-star'd ya