Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Publish 10 Feedback: Jedi Revamp Part 2, The Jedi Trials
Cyb1000
Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:52 am
#989
"oh come on, I can max out on combat and 2h exp in 3 hours, been doing it for 9 hours straight in geo caves. 900k 2h melee experience, and 300k combat experience(I believe) in 3 hours. That translates out to 130k fs experience in only 3 hours, and 175k+250k+375k+425k=1,225,000 experience, that is a total of just under 30 hours of non-stop game play. So it is possible to do it in 10 days, ..."
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Hum it is more like 900k 2H and 90k combat, that's what I got after 3 hours of
killing Enraged Rancors lairs. So this amount to 60k of fs xps. So for a 175k
box I need 9 hours of brain numbing grinding, and for 1.225M fs xps I would
need 61 hours (not counting the buff time, travel back and forth the village to
redeem xps). And you have to do this before the end of the 3 weeks or you have
to wait 18 weeks...
TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
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Hum it is more like 900k 2H and 90k combat, that's what I got after 3 hours of
killing Enraged Rancors lairs. So this amount to 60k of fs xps. So for a 175k
box I need 9 hours of brain numbing grinding, and for 1.225M fs xps I would
need 61 hours (not counting the buff time, travel back and forth the village to
redeem xps). And you have to do this before the end of the 3 weeks or you have
to wait 18 weeks...
TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
Creaturedoctor
Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:06 am
#990
hmm... seems to be some more people here they dont like the new errm Quest-System.....
Questsystem....lol....this new path to the Jedi, should be a questbased system but the only Quest i see is one great Quest to unlock 1 skilltree...
Sorry no one told us that we have to grind after this.....
u suggest us we have to do some new great quests,u neversaid a word about that, thatwe have to grind....
The Problems are....
- Rookies dont get Master in their business because all People hold their Exp for grinding.
- Vendors aren´t restocked because the Crafters grind.
- Doc´s buffing for free but with bad buffs.. to get exp...
Also, so many People with Combat-Professions tell us how easy it is to get Combat and Fighter Exp...
How about this....
All crafter hold their stuff for themself and drop their Crafterproffs...
....dont restock their Vendors
....Doc´s stopping buffs...
You Guys with ur Combatprofession...how long do u think, u could get Millions of exp without Buffs and Equipment ???
Without our great Equipment and the buffs from a Doc u could fight against Kaadu or something else.....
NO enraged Rancorlairs anymore....
What do u think how long do u need to get ur needed Exp for unlock the Initiate???
In addition are there outside peoplewho are notPowergrinderand not have the time and the desire, to grindeach day only.
These people have also the right to becometheir Jedi character.
For allthese people who, without reasonable argumentation, call us whiner and somethink like this feel happy but in my eyes you are poor and small lights.
There are there outside people who like this game and would like also reach everythink as a Powergamer.
WE HAVE A REALLIFE TOO....AND YOU !?!?!
Tovo
Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:10 am
#991
when you say maybe they will listen u don't mean devs ?
LMAO ..since when did they give a ***Edit***
Tovo
Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:13 am
#992
I love when people say that lots of jedi will destroy the game,, the game is destroyed a majority of the people on the servers are grinding xp, which is worse than having lots of jedi, Y, because everyone is grinding a crap load of xp to get to initiate and they dont do anything else, in my previouse posts on page 42 (i think) i gave an accurate description of galaxies a grinders paradice.
Tovo
Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:16 am
#993
and also just to add, when doec give out free buffs, that destroys the game, i cant make any cash now buffing because they are free.. WELL DONE THE ***Edit*** DEVS
moley
Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:36 am
#995
Cyb1000 wrote:
"oh come on, I can max out on combat and 2h exp in 3 hours, been doing it for 9 hours straight in geo caves. 900k 2h melee experience, and 300k combat experience(I believe) in 3 hours. That translates out to 130k fs experience in only 3 hours, and 175k+250k+375k+425k=1,225,000 experience, that is a total of just under 30 hours of non-stop game play. So it is possible to do it in 10 days, ..."
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Hum it is more like 900k 2H and 90k combat, that's what I got after 3 hours of
killing Enraged Rancors lairs. So this amount to 60k of fs xps. So for a 175k
box I need 9 hours of brain numbing grinding, and for 1.225M fs xps I would
need 61 hours (not counting the buff time, travel back and forth the village to
redeem xps). And you have to do this before the end of the 3 weeks or you have
to wait 18 weeks...
TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
I have to say.......for those of us that don't want to do melee, it's not that easy. Getting xp is tough for me. I was nearly master rifleman and got stomped by one Geo bug, outside the caves too. Now I'm going pistoleer/smuggler and it's no better. Course this goes back to the combat revamp but, melee, of course you can max xp quickly. Especially fencers.
Virtuell
Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:58 am
#996
So the so called "quest based system" to become a Jedi (as you people called it) is really the new "grind like a beast based system". The only thing that is different from grinding profession is a lot more grinding to become a Jedi. So why even bother addingFS Quests???
I thought you would get the experience needed from quests not mindless grinding.
Where is the fun of grinding???
Where is the fun of grinding???
Well... one word: Failure!
Message Edited by Virtuell on 09-09-2004 12:44 PM
Tovo
Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:33 am
#997
for those who say people ***Edit*** at the devs, this is the first time ive actually got that annoyed (mild) ive started to complain about it..... Wot are most people doing on swg at this moment in time ?
GRIND GRIND GRIND GRIND GRIND
BizarroBen
Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:31 am
#998
For once in this game I actually get to GRIND what I want to grind! I would be out killing anyway and instead of getting no xps showing on my screen I am actually getting some! WOOT! And I have a place to use them! Holy crap! I haven't gotten xps for 6 months.A lot of people haven't. It's nice.
A heartfelt thanks to the devs for giving me a reason to be here again.
Tricerix
Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:44 am
#999
So lemme guess, 75% of you are in agreement that having no silent grind is not an improvement?
gelethian
Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:55 am
#1000
If any of the DEVS actually read these posts - I have just cancelled my account. The reasons are:
- After PUBLISH 10SWG really sucks - every second charecter is either TKM or Master Swordsman
- Everybody is grinding either combat xp or utilizing an exploit to grind xp to get the hideous amounts of xp to become a jedi (like the pet exploit for doctors)
- Crafters are dropping their skills as it is pointless being a crafter - you can make more money and more xp killing Jantas on Jantooine or Rancors on Dathomir
- Nobody cares to interact, roleplay or group - time is too precious in terms of xp grinding to lose it with other players
- After you do the Jabba, Rebel/Imp, Warren, Corvetteand several other themeparks and quests, there is nothing really to do except slaughtering Jantas, Huorton Stalkers and Rancors - no interesting quests or storyline and the path to FS and jedi is laughable
- In 18 weeks there will be so many Jedi who will continue to grind xp with lightsabers that the game will not be Star Wars any more but as someone mentioned Jedi Knight Online
- The GCW and PvP is pointless cause the game is not balanced and there are no real rewards for participating in the GCW
As SOE cheated me many times by saying that all these things will be fixed (combat balancing, quest-based system to jedi, etc.) I don't trustSOE anymore and therefore I will not buy JTL. Having seen the creativity of the DEVS it seems JTL will be primarily relatedto grinding and doing stupid missions in space then anything else.
Aranell
Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:10 am
#1001
Hi all!
First of all I have to say that normally it’s not my way to write in forums and complain about something - but this time I can’t stand still... so here is my story:
When I heart what publish 10 is all about I really got excited because I hoped that new roleplaying-content will make its way into the game. New quests, new stories and all the things I expected of a MMORPG. I never did any hologrinding because in my opinion this has nothing to do with playing a game - grinding is more like work and believe me, I have enough work to do in my real life.
So I collected all badges I was able to do alone to be glowing when it hits Live. I was lucky, on the day publish 10 went online I felt an "inner glow" and started wandering around, looking for the old man to visit me. After 6 hours of waiting I got frustrated, quitted the game session and started to read the forums. There was no information about the visit. TH only gave us some vague explanations - nobody was really able to understand what it was about with the old mans visit...
One day later I finally got the visit and the day after that the Sith attacked me. All the frustration and thoughts of quitting my account were suddenly gone. I went into the village and started doing the first quests. I expected something like the quests of the theme parks but I was wrong. Just do the same silly patrol 10 times and you get the brand but no quest item. For that one you have to do it again - so 20 times, 2 days of mindless work, for 1 banner. I thought, this can’t be true and was hoping that the other quests were more interesting but after I finished I remembered that I have to wait for the second phase to do another quest. Ok, now the game stands at the same point as before publish 10. I have nothing to do except grinding tons of XP do fill my FS slots - not really something I expect from a game that should be fun!
So I collected all badges I was able to do alone to be glowing when it hits Live. I was lucky, on the day publish 10 went online I felt an "inner glow" and started wandering around, looking for the old man to visit me. After 6 hours of waiting I got frustrated, quitted the game session and started to read the forums. There was no information about the visit. TH only gave us some vague explanations - nobody was really able to understand what it was about with the old mans visit...
One day later I finally got the visit and the day after that the Sith attacked me. All the frustration and thoughts of quitting my account were suddenly gone. I went into the village and started doing the first quests. I expected something like the quests of the theme parks but I was wrong. Just do the same silly patrol 10 times and you get the brand but no quest item. For that one you have to do it again - so 20 times, 2 days of mindless work, for 1 banner. I thought, this can’t be true and was hoping that the other quests were more interesting but after I finished I remembered that I have to wait for the second phase to do another quest. Ok, now the game stands at the same point as before publish 10. I have nothing to do except grinding tons of XP do fill my FS slots - not really something I expect from a game that should be fun!
Today I did some calculations because I wanted to know how long it would take me to get the 24 boxes I need to start the other quests in the game - the padawan trails. What I saw nearly blow my mind:
I’m a Master Pistoleer and a Master Doctor... Just a combination I like... As a Pistoleer the strongest lair I can attack is the one of the enraged rancors. I get around 5000 Pistol-XP and 500 Combat-XP for every rancor I kill.
To do all 24 boxes as a combat class means the following:
3 725 000 FS-Combat (Ph_1: Rag.Acc./Ph_2: Mel.Spd./Ph_3: Mel.Acc.)
3 725 000 FS-Reflex (Ph_4: Mel.Def./Ph_5: Sur./Ph_6: Veh.Cotr.)
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7 450 000 FS-XP
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3 725 000 FS-Reflex (Ph_4: Mel.Def./Ph_5: Sur./Ph_6: Veh.Cotr.)
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7 450 000 FS-XP
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7 450 000 * 30 = 223 500 000 Weapon-XP
7 450 000 * 3 = 22 350 000 Combat-XP
For every monster you kill you get 10% Combat-XP of the earned Weapon-
XP, which means (Enraged Rancor: 5000 Weapon + 500 Combat)
So you have to get:
111 750 000 Weapon-XP
11 175 000 Combat-XP (...because of the 10%...)
11 175 000 Combat-XP (...because of the 10%...)
After converting it to FS-XP you have:
111 750 000 / 30 = 3 725 000 FS-XP
11 175 000 / 3 = 3 725 000 FS-XP
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7 450 000 FS-XP
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11 175 000 / 3 = 3 725 000 FS-XP
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7 450 000 FS-XP
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Ok, now the Pistoleer-Rancor Part:
1 Enraged Rancor means 5000 Weapon-XP and 500 Combat-XP - as stated twice above.
111 750 000 / 5000 = 22 350 Rancors
Ok let’s say I want to do all the XP I need in...
...a month:
22 350 / 31 = 721 Rancors per day
...18 weeks (...the time for 6 Phases...):
22 350 / 126 = 178 Rancors per day
...half a year:
22 350 / 183 = 123 Rancors per day
...one year:
22 350 / 365 = 61 Rancors per day
...two years:
22 350 / 730 = 30 Rancors per day
Ok I think you all can see the problem now... even you TH... This is ridiculous - do you and the other Devs really think many of the players will stay in this game with no roleplaying-content at all and all of us will just do this stupid work, because that’s what this game has become - Just another job, without anything interesting. XP-Grinding par excellence...
I am done with this game... First I thought maybe publish 10 will save it and make it more interesting for me because of all the promises from the Devs. Now I think that even Jump to Lightspeed can not save it anymore because I expect the same thing we’ve always got from the Devs: Promises of everything getting better – and that’s it. Just Promises, but no chances. It all stays the same!
Ok... thanks for reading all this! Maybe a Dev reads it and thinks about some facts stated - I don’tbelieve this will happen but hey - I’m allowed of heaving daydreams.
Bye, maybe I see some of you at World of Warcraft...