Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Jedi Revamp Phase I
AlaManQ5
Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:57 pm
#66
They did say they are changing everything concerning Jedi with this revamp. My take on the "everyone will be open to basic force sensitivity" isn't the current "Force Sensitive" we know of. It will be a new vision of what Force sensitive means.
It said "a sense of the Force". I take this as getting little bits and pieces of momentary force attunement at random times. Like, missing an instant DB attack while fighting a Mokk shaman for some "mysterious reason", giving you a chance to kill the NPC threat. Or, I got a Fantastic result while crafting a Composite suit, but only using crappy low OQ materials.
This is similar to Anakin Skywalker's Force sensitivity in making his droids and racing his pod. He could make a droid, vehicle, or whatever thing that can be built, with ease, using rudimentary materials. Or, when racing, he was the only human to have the mentality to race a pod, because of that "sense" of the force he had while racing.
Look at it this way. When thinking about this new system, throw everything you once knew about Jedi and the Force in SWG out the window and think outside the box. The ENTIRE Jedi system in SWG is being changed dramatically from what it once was to what it will be. So, say bye bye to silent holocrons (and holocron unlocking), say good by to selling krayt pearls for 3 million, and wait and see what happens.
You will most likely have to do a quest before you even get this basic force sensitivity anyway.
Cloudgatherer
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:02 pm
#67
I think these changes are a bad idea. I understand the need to stop the hologrinding, and a quest based system will be good, but the rest of this is just bad, IMO.
Forced PvP for advancement? Problematic, exploitable, and all around a bad idea (which may lead to griefing).
Force sensitivity? So the legacy Jedi get the shaft? Everyone will use 'minor force powers' now? I don't like that aspect.
What happens to the current Jedi? No word on this either. What happens to the current high-level Jedi? Do you even slate any time for fixing the broken abilities in the Jedi line already?
Overall, this is vague, poorly worded, poorly explained, and filled with bad ideas. What's worse is we have so few details we can't even offer much specific feedback. Great if you are trying to avoid the customer. Great if you want to have a bunch of cancellations after patch 9. Very poor for trying to build a fun game with the players.
Honestly, unlocking a Jedi and playing as one mandated a certain style of play, but there was some flexibility. These changes seem to tighten the restrictions instead of allowing players the freedom to have fun.
Forced PvP for advancement? Problematic, exploitable, and all around a bad idea (which may lead to griefing).
Force sensitivity? So the legacy Jedi get the shaft? Everyone will use 'minor force powers' now? I don't like that aspect.
What happens to the current Jedi? No word on this either. What happens to the current high-level Jedi? Do you even slate any time for fixing the broken abilities in the Jedi line already?
Overall, this is vague, poorly worded, poorly explained, and filled with bad ideas. What's worse is we have so few details we can't even offer much specific feedback. Great if you are trying to avoid the customer. Great if you want to have a bunch of cancellations after patch 9. Very poor for trying to build a fun game with the players.
Honestly, unlocking a Jedi and playing as one mandated a certain style of play, but there was some flexibility. These changes seem to tighten the restrictions instead of allowing players the freedom to have fun.
Thranxx
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:03 pm
#68
I like people who "demand" answers, it makes me chuckle.
I think this is moving in the right direction. Keep up the good work devs.
I do like the feel of mild force sensitivity. Have like a couple "force skill points" that would mod a stat or two. Any stat... so like the crafters could get like 1 more exp point or something. I mean, you have to complete some sort of task, or quest of "discovery" to unlock this force sense, but it would be in-line with Luke's mechanical skills being above normal, and Anakin... I mean, whoa.
Granted, being that those two are supposed to be some of the most powerful ever (metaclorian birth), it's hard to compare.
I think this is moving in the right direction. Keep up the good work devs.
I do like the feel of mild force sensitivity. Have like a couple "force skill points" that would mod a stat or two. Any stat... so like the crafters could get like 1 more exp point or something. I mean, you have to complete some sort of task, or quest of "discovery" to unlock this force sense, but it would be in-line with Luke's mechanical skills being above normal, and Anakin... I mean, whoa.
Granted, being that those two are supposed to be some of the most powerful ever (metaclorian birth), it's hard to compare.
Madcaddiejh
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:07 pm
#69
huh so you guys think posting in here wil sway anything or actually fix the issues with pearls and crystals and get them to explain anything to us, even to current jedi.
yeah these in concept/in development forums are just to make us feel like we have a say and SOE has proved time and again that we don't.
I am feeling a bit of rage at a videogame...i feel seriously bad now. I hope to god you Devs smarten up, and damnit TH i expected some answers from you, just another let down.
yeah these in concept/in development forums are just to make us feel like we have a say and SOE has proved time and again that we don't.
I am feeling a bit of rage at a videogame...i feel seriously bad now. I hope to god you Devs smarten up, and damnit TH i expected some answers from you, just another let down.
Twyst1
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:09 pm
#70
I think this initial statement sounds great, very vague, but great. This has a lot of potential if correctly expanded upon. 
HumanDrone
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:18 pm
#71
thunderheart, can we still get jedi through hologrinding after the new publish? or is all our hard work thrown away? be careful how you answer this.
RamhornSWG
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:18 pm
#72
prettysic wrote:
What happens to the holo grinders that haven't unlocked?
They get to play through the new quest system in Publish 10.
Ok now I am lost. The revamp is in Publish 9 and people that have completed holos get to play through?
Does that mean skip the quest? English please
Ramhorn
Armeno
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:19 pm
#73
Oh boy! we "get to" start over.
Thunderheart wrote:
prettysic wrote:
What happens to the holo grinders that haven't unlocked?
They get to play through the new quest system in Publish 10.
Zarathustra
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:20 pm
#74
Thunderheart wrote:
Bogak wrote:
Advancing down the path of Jedi will start with basic force sensitivity which will be open to all players to create a sense of the force.
?? Does this mean. Everyone will have two slots per server as well? And be FS? creating thousands of Jedi running around? Still kind of confused about this.
Successful Jedi Knights will have the opportunity for two slots (in the current design), but it will be difficult to attain.
So, Jedi will just be a basic profession up until Knight?
Maeril
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:21 pm
#75
Thunderheart wrote:
prettysic wrote:
What happens to the holo grinders that haven't unlocked?
They get to play through the new quest system in Publish 10.
The whole quest system? What about the progress already achieved as you guys havealready stated repeatedly in the past that the work we've already done so far would be compensated for. I know countless people are/have been working on silent holos for a long time now. Is all our work going to have been in vain?
jrudden1924
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:21 pm
#76
Can both slots attain any profession? Can I have lets say tworifleman on the same server. One who can use the force and one who cannot? Can they both own homes, harvestors, etc... just like a normal character?
HythosSWG
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:22 pm
#77
Thanks for the reply, but it's most important to know if we (those of us whom are) at Jedi Guardian 4444 will retain... - or otherwise the exp we DO have will be retained...
Chianti
Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:22 pm
#78
Thunderheart wrote:
Bogak wrote:
Advancing down the path of Jedi will start with basic force sensitivity which will be open to all players to create a sense of the force.
?? Does this mean. Everyone will have two slots per server as well? And be FS? creating thousands of Jedi running around? Still kind of confused about this.
Successful Jedi Knights will have the opportunity for two slots (in the current design), but it will be difficult to attain.
VQT wrote:
well, so far it's looking good, but we need more information on how this will affect current jedi before we can put our views in.
Some translation to the new system will be part of the process and current Jedi will not lose their second slot.
prettysic wrote:
What happens to the holo grinders that haven't unlocked?
They get to play through the new quest system in Publish 10.
Some translation?
How about this for a change. A STRAIGHT ANSWER.
Will current jedi, IE Guardian 4444, lose any of their current abilities and have to grind again? It's really quite a simple question.