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Thread: Faction Insurance Day Pass: How much?

Kiashia
Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:00 pm
#690






Thunderheart wrote:







Thunderheart wrote:
This is a PvP issue, Exclusively.





Means people who play PvP.







The "PvE" part is forwhen a Factioned NPCIncapacitates you- - NOT general PvE. General PvE will remain as-is.







Means FACTIONed Death.


Any Factioned Death is covered....









You have one major flaw, grief killing. somone who incaps you 3 times and never deathblows.



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Bevof
Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:01 pm
#691

PLEASE READ! I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA!


This should be a feature that you have automatically, after acheiving a certain rank. For example, once you become a Staff Corporal or some other rank, you gain the faction perk of no item decay for as long as you remain in the faction. This will encourage more players to join the fight in theGCW, and give a meaning to moving up in the ranks.


On the other hand, they could just remove item decay completely. Advanced Composite armor is very expensive. Insurance for it is also expensive.

DuuRandor
Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:40 pm
#692






Thunderheart wrote:







Thunderheart wrote:
This is a PvP issue, Exclusively.





Means people who play PvP.







The "PvE" part is forwhen a Factioned NPCIncapacitates you- - NOT general PvE. General PvE will remain as-is.







Means FACTIONed Death.


Any Factioned Death is covered....









Any factioned death is covered means people who are rebels and like to kill imperial NPCs (PvE) can use this feature to make their PvE experience more enjoyable. That means we can get the insurance day pass, and hunt all day doing NOTHING BUT PvE. I repeat, if ANY faction death is covered thenTHIS PASS CAN BE USED FOR NOTHING BUT PvE IFWE SO DESIRE.If the pass CAN concieveably be used forPvE in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER then it is NOT PvP EXCLUSIVE, therefore you areWRONG. If it can ALSObe used forNOTHING BUT PvE, then by saying it is for PvP exclusively... well you areeven more wrong. There is no way around it TH. Just come out and say it...


This feature can be used for Only PvP...

It can also be used for both PvP and PvE....

It can ALSO be used for NOTHING BUT PvE(factioned)...


This feature IS NOT, PvP exclusive. It is Faction exclusive, yes. PvP is not the same as faction as you have repeatedly proven by saying that the system cannot track PvP deaths where it CAN track factioned deaths. I hate to break this to you(again) but FACTIONED PvE is STILL PvE!!!! I dont know how i can make this any more clear.


Just come out and say it, Insurance day pass can be used for both PvP and PvE, but only against the opposing GCW faction.


P.S. 1% decay on insured items is the stupidest idea implemented to date. This current idea is a close second.


-Duu Randor

-Starsider

-Thinks TH is smoking something




-Duu Randor, Starsider
I know my icon LOOKS like a stormtrooper... but i'm actually a rebel in disguise.
DuuRandor
Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:53 pm
#693

Seeing as how TH likes to dumb down all his responses to us i figured i would dumb down my response to him... check it out,



TH says: This is a PvP issue, Exclusively.


Notice the italics on EXCLUSIVELY. Websters dictionary defines EXCLUSIVE as : excluding or tending to exclude all others; shutting out other considerations, happenings, existences, etc. Exclude is defines as : to refuse to admit, consider, include, etc. ; shut out; keep from entering, happening, or being; reject; bar.


TH also says: Any Factioned Death is covered....


Am i breaking a big secret here? Is this some elite, hush hush exploit that nobody told TH about? I am referring to the fact that you can get FACTIONED PvE MISSIONS from a faction mission terminal. When you entertain the possibility of something OTHER then PvE, then the word 'exclusively' is a loooong stretch. When there is the possibility of having this 'issue' with NO PvP WHATSOEVER, then REPEATEDLY CLAIMING THAT IT IS PvP EXCLUSIVE IS REALLY REALLY DUMB.


*mutters to himself* sheesh, the lengths i have to go to when i want to make a point


*puts his dictionary away*




-Duu Randor, Starsider
I know my icon LOOKS like a stormtrooper... but i'm actually a rebel in disguise.
DuuRandor
Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:59 pm
#694






DuuRandor wrote:

...When you entertain the possibility of something OTHER then PvE...




I meant PvP obviously...


... couple months till i get that edit button...





-Duu Randor, Starsider
I know my icon LOOKS like a stormtrooper... but i'm actually a rebel in disguise.
TK-84
Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:07 pm
#695

I enjoyed more when items were vanishing, no insurance.



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Atanmir
Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:16 pm
#696






Aakhperkare wrote:



Realism? There is no realism in this decay. What are you even talking about?


THE FIRST priority to a game is to make it fun. It's backwards here. Penalties are heaped upon players and very little reward is given. If there was an actual, viable reward to participating in the GCW, it may be different. Right now, people that wear armor are penalized twice. Death decay and usage. Which forces them to bring more credits into the system to buy more armor when there is no decient money sink to remove credits from the system.






Where is the fun in the clone wars?


Yes, dacay sucks, i wish there were something different, like a timer that not allow you to join the battle again for 20-30min. But at leat with decay ppl sometimes stop the clone wars for lack of equipment.













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Atanmir
Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:35 pm
#697






HeyHolo wrote:
I don't know any specific number, but it should not take more than one mission to earn the faction points(fp) to obtain this item....so I'd say no more than 60-70fp for this device.

I still am confused...devs say they cannot tell the difference between PvE and PvP deaths, if that's so then how can they make it so that tis device makes it so you need no insurance for faction only PvE (and PvP) deaths? I mean if they can do that, isn't that exactly what htey said they couldn't do? I don't get this...






Come on, who are you thinking to talk with?


60-70 fps for you is a mission payout? What do you use for kill the npcs and the base? Your AT-ST while you rest getting a sunbath?


If you are a PvPer i presume you are more than a marksman or a brawler, only lvl 10 missions pay that low fps and they are just for ppl with starting professions, i just ran some test missions today with my pistoleer account, do you know what i got from a normal mission solo? 5400cr misions with 3 NPC, each NPC is worth from a minimum of 9 fps to a max of 13 fps, the destruction of the flag is other 13 fps and the completion of the mission is other 60, that means that you get at least 100 fps in the case of a base with 3 rebel doctors (i never got more than 1 doctor on those missions) more realistic you will get 104-106 fps per mission and do you know what? You can get 2 mission on the same direction and complete them both in less than 407s (the duration of one of my sunburns). Grouping with your AT-ST you can get missions that pay 8400cr with 5 NPCs and 93 fps just for completion, and i was able to complete most of those missions without using the AT-ST (i stored it after getting the mission) and (when the missions wheren't more than 700m away from each other) complete them in the 407 sec duration of my sunburn. I got around 350-360 fps for 2 of those mission, around 3000 fps in just one hour and ten minutes.


Maybe a CH wil not be able to get those fps couse pets are fps eaters, but whoever have a decent fighting tamplate like one master elite profession (preferably ranged, sincefactional NPCs are mostly ranged and kite you if your a melee class)and some medic skills for cures theyr dmg on the field can get those fps.


If you aren't able to get high lvl missions couse you are a crafter, probably you have enough money for buy your fps from a smuggler.






Cahausto Lightstar
Master Smuggler
Colonel
Near Moenia/Naboo/Chilastra

olath
Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:04 pm
#698

agreed! I implore everyone to use their option to play other MMO's and spend our money where our voices count. Olath Moonwalker Former BH 2-2-3-4/CH 2-1-1-1 and Novice Medic 1-1-1-1




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Aakhperkare
Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:05 pm
#699






Atanmir wrote:





Aakhperkare wrote:



Realism? There is no realism in this decay. What are you even talking about?


THE FIRST priority to a game is to make it fun. It's backwards here. Penalties are heaped upon players and very little reward is given. If there was an actual, viable reward to participating in the GCW, it may be different. Right now, people that wear armor are penalized twice. Death decay and usage. Which forces them to bring more credits into the system to buy more armor when there is no decient money sink to remove credits from the system.






Where is the fun in the clone wars?


Yes, dacay sucks, i wish there were something different, like a timer that not allow you to join the battle again for 20-30min. But at leat with decay ppl sometimes stop the clone wars for lack of equipment.














If there was a death penalty that gave wounds instead, it wouldn't be such a clone wars battle...
Aakhperkare
Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:11 pm
#700

Ok, check it out TH. I would like to apologize for the numberous harsh words I have posted towards you guys, now that the initial...irritation has worn off.


I know there are a lot of little things that can get borked up when information goes down a pipeline. I know at my workplace, the management don't know their A-Holes from a hole in the ground, so you can understand how communication can get messed up at any point down the line.


I do dig this game, but there can be a good amount of irritation if you know what I mean.


Thanks for reading...


PS. I still think the death penalty should be changed, I still think a faction day pass should be renamed to a liscense to kill or something like that, and I STILL haven't found my Bull Rancor (baby)
BristaAB
Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:12 pm
#701

20 fps



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Apophis1
Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:35 pm
#702

I cannot believe this is what is getting thrown at us. There should be no decay on death when insured! I cannot understand why we can't just have no decay in PVP at least. Are they trying to prevent PVP? Incomprihensible, just my 2 credits


A price for a day pass ? If they don't make it free for at least overts that are insured I give up on PVP



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