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Thread: SWG Changes Part 3: GCW Occupation System
I make more money as a 4040 pistoleer than I do as a master bio-engineer.
Permetheus wrote:
Well said Gordon. I'm sick to death of random groups coming forward after every change saying how they have been left out. Or they are being discriminated against.
Wait! I'm a Master Pistoleer. But I'm not making as much money as Crafters do! ZOMG!!!... Something needs to be done! Crafters get all the money! What are you guys going to do about this because I"m sick and tired of them having all the credits while we as PvPers have to sit here and just fight eachother. Dangit!
Ruh wrote:
Yaanos wrote:
Dolik wrote:
Calandryll_SOE wrote:Additionally, if a Jedi is scanned s/he runs the risk of being exposed. Should this happen, the police may panic and call for help, bringing a very powerful force on the Jedi. Note that Imperial allied police will call forces to attack any Jedi, regardless of faction. Rebel aligned police will only call guards to attack Dark Jedi.it sould be if a Imp jedi get scaned they wont bring powerfor force, but if they are a rebel they will call for powerfor force. o ya every thing else is AWSOME!!!!!Message Edited by Dolik on 02-08-2005 01:49 PM
Incase you didn't notice, there are only supposed to be 2 Imperial force sensitive figures: Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. So Imps revealing and attackingJedi/Dark Jediin their ranks is 100% continuity. As is the rebel alliance not revealing and attacking Jedi in their ranks.
Lets just hope that the Imperial communitydoesn't whine about this so much that the Devs feel the need to take it out. We Rebels have a hard enough time as it is!
As an imperial with a jedi, ill actually have to agree.
But at the same time how inline with continuity is having the Village around? As well as other factors that play apart in the jedi system.
We cant go with continuity here but not stick with it there...so as things are changing for the better some other things will have to change also
always funny , that this "continuity" thing pops up when it comes to jedis .....
Wake up folks ! Having one third of the server population (Thesis: 50% people sooner or later decide to unlock their second slot => 1/3 jedi) being a jedi has nothing at all to do "continuity", so forget that none sense and face the reality of the MMORPG called starwars galaxies!
Personally, I dislike the described scanning for jedis (if i understand it correct). My interpretation is, that you can get occasonally be disclosed as jedi by the police no matter if you are swinging your glowing stick in front of them or if you are wearing a disguising amour or clothing. Thats non-sense to my eyes. I dont care about a jedi, who is not showing that he/she is a jedi. On the other side, i would love to see jedis being punished by the player community for posing at the startport in Robe with glowingstick in hand. I would like to see the scanning for Jedi to occasonally result in a forced PvP-Flag for them (formerly called TEF ....) , if they dare to disclose their force-sensitivity (this includes the wearing of robes as well as wielding the lightsaber in hand without using it) in public.
Now its my turn to come up with "continuity" ... one question: how does a non-FS entity reveal the force sensitivity of somebody else ????? Answer: its only possible, if the jedi makes use of its powers or wears jedi accessories !!!
Karquile wrote:
I like what Warryyr said. And let me add - this thread is presumably so we can THINK about these changes, not just collect W00T's for them. (nice though that is)
It doesn't do any good to say "Ignore the naysayers!!!" because the side effects that some of us are extrapolating will happen whether we talk about them or not. Crafters will go neutral rather than die in Starports. Invasion forces will sneak in as Civilians. Arrays of junk bases will appear at -8000,-8000. Servers will "churn" GCW dominance so they can faction-farm the holdover troopers. And so forth.
I think it's great that the new Devs are going for new content. I just think I have a responsibility as a veteran player and tester to point out that if you do X, then Y will probably happen.
Exactly!
I'd be letting the community down by NOT voicing my concerns for my current template/situation. There are lots of people who this change will blindside because theydon't read the forums.
I propose, at EVERY Master box for any crafting or Entertainer profession, a new certification.
It will be called, simply, "Fake ID."
It would be craftable using a Weapon/Droid/Generic Item crafting tool, and quality of the resources would matter. The higher quality the ID is, the easier it will be to have the scanning member of the opposite faction believe it's real.
Just as the NPC's scan our inventories for illegal goods, let the "Fake ID" be discovered during the scan. The NPC says something like "I seem to have found your identification card - better call it in."
If the person holding this ID card is NOT a Master in any crafting profession or Entertainer profession, it's a guaranteed failure to pass using the fake ID. If the crafter/Entertainer possess ANY combat profession, the ID check is a failure and you get attacked.
If the person holding this ID card IS a Master in any crafting profession, or a Master in any Entertainer profession, there's a 60% chance of passing with it. Not a great chance, but better than 50/50, and certainly better than nothing.
The sole reasoning behind this Fake ID is that any crafter or Entertainer who's supporting a faction has no means of defending themselves, which means they have no place in the GCW once this new stuff goes in. They need at least a chance to get away safely!
Let the crafters and Entertainers be a part of the GCW! Constant deaths with no hope of defending yourselfis notfun.
EDIT: w00t for the changes 
But include EVERYONE! Don't exclude crafters/Entertainers from the GCW!
Message Edited by Warryyr on 02-09-2005 09:03 AM
Aleskander wrote:
Creepoh wrote:
FantasticPlastic wrote:
It sounds good, except who goes to cities on Naboo besides Theed? I mean, who honestly spends time in Keren or Kaadara or whatever? Perhaps people might go to Eisley on Tatooine but really, I wish this affected the major cities like Theed and Coronet because that's where most players actually go.
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This might change with the new Faction system. Imperials will now congregate in Theed, and Rebs will hang out in Coronet. If PvE (or PvP for that matter) combatants want a fight, they know right were to go!
This is the way it used to be when the game was still young. Rebs raided Theed and Imps raided Coronet.
Imperials used to raid Anchorhead quite often too.
Omicron2 wrote:
Last I heard Vader hunted down and killed all the Light Jedi Knights. If we are going to drag continuity into this...well...there were no Dark Jedi running around....and if they were...they would be on the Emperor's side.
Vader and the Emperor were all about the Dark Side of the force...so those that are Dark Side in this game would be their allies. They would not kill those who would help them crush the rebellion. Again...we can't bring continuity into the argument because it is already broken...so all of these "Vader did this and Yoda said that...and the movies said this" is out the window at this point. This game is BASED on the timeline and does not follow it in totality. We cannot cling to an argument based on the idea of sticking toa broken timeline/continuity.
You say we can't use continuity as a valid arguing point, yet you do just that in the first paragraph. If there were Dark Jedi, Vader and the Emperor would not have them on their side. That's not how it works. They would be too afraid of mutiny and would have them all wiped out.
Why do you think the Emporer has Anakin do what he does in EP III?
It's more like the Empire vs all Jedi. Wait and watch Episode III. The Empire doesn't have a real soft spot for Jedi.
quene wrote:
i don't agree witht he idea of dark jedi gettin done my imperials too. especially when theres a powerfull force comin to beat em down. should keep it reb v imp, not imp v imp
Warryyr wrote:Exactly!
I'd be letting the community down by NOT voicing my concerns for my current template/situation. There are lots of people who this change will blindside because they don't read the forums.
I propose, at EVERY Master box for any crafting or Entertainer profession, a new certification.
It will be called, simply, "Fake ID."
[snippy]
... or have them craftable only by Smugglers, but sold to the non-combatants?
Ill use My Jedi For instance in this idea
IMPERIAL DARK JEDI
Colonel/Dark Jedi Alec Suba flies into Theed to do whatever. Imperial Scanning crews come to scan him. The Mind Trick doesnt work and they insist on scanning. Now heres when one of two possible situations occur.
1. If Visibility is Low the troopers will Apologize for Bothering me as I am a Colonel in the Emperors military and outrank these grunts.
2. If Visibility is High on my character they will Tell me I need to stay where I am that the Emperor is most displeased with my Public displays and I am to be punished. This is where the Emperors Hand NPCs(Which are in game) would come to Deal with me.
As Is Stated in the Many Sources of Star Wars The Emperor not only tlerated Dark Jedi but used them quite frequently. But the Catch was they were kept on very short leashes. Too much of a public display of brutality as a dark jedi etc would eventually anger the Emperor and turn that leash into a noose as you have displeased the Sith Master.
The Emperors Hands upon Killing you should have the standard XP loss but also clear your visibility. This may seem unfait to Bounty Hunters but if Imperial jedi have to die at the Hands of other Imperial NPCs then we deserve to have visability reset.
REBEL LIGHT JEDI
Colonel/Light Jedi Alec Suba flies into Moenia to do whatever. Rebel Scanning crews come to scan him. The Mind Trick doesnt work and they insist on scanning. Now heres when one of two possible situations occur.
. If Visibility is Low the troopers will Apologize for taking up my time.
2. If Visibility is High on my character they will Tell me I need to stay where I am that the Rebel High Command is concerned with my Public displays that I am putting the entire alliance at risk. This is where the high level rebel npcs and maybe even skywalker? would come to Deal with me.
Again the Rebels while Supportive of the jedi and the desire to free the galaxy know having thier jedi showing off and prancing around is gonne get the rebel bases found and countless innocents slaughtered by the Empire hunting these jedi down. So they will punish those who are out of control.
Visibility loss on death by these npcs and standard Xp loss.
Message Edited by Suba on 02-09-2005 10:32 AM