Development Cycle Archive

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B00tleg wrote:

One thing I'd like to see is a feature to show off jedi lightsabers withouthaving to engage in combat or be TEF because of it.

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JediHunter03 wrote:

Greetings! Here are a few ideas:

1. Instead of creating a new character, what if the character thatunlocks the fs slotbecomes the Jedi? In this system the Jedi profession would work in just the same fashion as all the other professions, with one exception. Once one skill is put into the Jedi profession, all other skills in all other professions are lost. This way one has to be truly committed to being a Jedi. Master Jedi should require all of the skill points. In many Star Wars stories and games, like in the Jedi Knight series of games, a Jedi can revoke his abilities and live as a normal character, i.e. a smuggler, etc. Or the person can embrace the force and become a full-fledged Jedi.

2. Jedi advancement should take place with pairs of Knights or Masters and Apprentices. It is fitting that the most extremem profession requires the use of the most extreme apprenticeship system. Instead of looking for NPC's to get skillsfrom, or train from, Jedi would look to eachother to take on quests together and advance together, just as in the movies.

3. Just as bounty hunters will someday be able to take on assassination missions from players, Jedi should also take on missions from players, but possibly only at the city level. If a rebel city was being raided constantly by Imperial pvpers with their at-st's and they truly needed help, they could call for the aid of a Jedi. They would be forced to put up a handsome reward if the Jedi was successful. This would integrate the Jedi into the player community and allow more interaction between players and Jedi.

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I like number 3 a lot...that is a great idea.....Now about being full commited to a jedi...i think createing a new character in the old system allows the player to go back to proffessions he/she loves and have a jedi too! In the new system however fully commited jedis may be good.....but personally i would like to have my jedi have a new name and look since i am gonna be all powerful!!!

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Mastered Classes:

Marksman
Commando
Armorsmith (1st holocron) COMPLETE

Current Classes:

Scout (only to get BH)
Bounty Hunter (2nd holocron)

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obiwan137 wrote:

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B00tleg wrote:

One thing I'd like to see is a feature to show off jedi lightsabers withouthaving to engage in combat or be TEF because of it.

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I thought about this and came up with the hanging your lightsaber on your belt (unequipped) it goes along with the jedi clothing idea of haveing 1 set of clothing for each defence including the kd dizzy etc and after getting all of them being able to merge it into something with a deffence to everything in a practicaly %. Also the lightsaber could possibly "recharge" or gain bck hp mostly based on the power packs the old jedi used to carry arround to charge their lightsaber.

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I think me and boot are talking about actually showing the light of the lightsaber...instead of just the hilt

One annotation to some ideas I have read

To the holo grinders reward for being "in the path" for so much time... well, I suppose I am going to be flamed, but I think that, although somehow they should be compensated, they should be given more hints or a little push in the right direction, maybe something more than that, but not sure if they (we, in fact, I am in my silent one, so I know what I talking about) should be given 50% of the path done... Yes, we have work hard, but in macroing, in finding the fastest way, the cheaper, the grinding. But there is still one piece of the puzzle we haven´t solved, the last one, and that one for some of us coult take out much more longer than the path we have already done, because it seems to be no way to know it, so, we are still lacking much more than those "50%" of the path. (ugh, I am being flamed! )

On the other hand I understand, from all the info devs have given to us, that everyoe should be able to get its FSCS some time. If you put a cap, make it random spawn, and all that kind of solutions, you are favoring powergamers a lot, a very lot more than casual gamers. Although maybe this seems to be fair (they devote more time) I have found that a powergamer is (mainly) that one you can find afk-grinding, killing senseless all kind of critters in the woods for the xp, or crafting day and night and shouting his spam in the spaceport. On the other way, casual gamers can be found doing a lot of things, but surely, they not enter one or two hours a day to grind and grind and grind. It is more probable in this case they enter to have fun, talk to friends, doing interesting missions... I feel these people make SWG more alive than the firsts one, but well, maybe I am wrong again (more flaming to me!)

More thigs why I should be flamed... let's see:
In the holo grinding path, I have found that I like some of the professions I have to do!! hehe. More than this. This way have helped me to undestand the strong and weakness in some professions, have me to love chef! (I will keep it, I accept orders! lol) and find some interesting bugs I could post and get things in the game solved. I now know how to combat some classes. Well, I accept this was not the best way to unlock the FSCS anyway, and agree that it needs to be fixed. Maybe if it were focused another way, they would have get more acceptation. Anyway, I prefer others ways as I have posted before.

Oh! and this one is the less "flammable" I think you should keep the second character slot for the Jedi. I think that Jedi are mainly devoted to his cause (it is difficult enough, I have heard). So it is not probable that when someone gets its FS, he still makes armors, weapons or that sort of things. So, although some people thinks that second char can be abused by Jedi to make money (this can be truth, I admit) don't forget that those shops you so much love, can be from a second char Jedi! Maybe the only ones stable atm

On the other side, when space gets out, I will want a pilot, and I plan to make my main char one, I plan to maintain chef and serve foods to my guild, I plan to get TKA maybe and making fun when (and if I get it!) my FS character has too many deathcounts, or, planning as I do to be "on character" everytime with him, want to relax and only have fun, instead of being a "wise, peaceful and focused man at all times"

well, that is all, I will put my amiantum robe and await your flames

1) The MAIN thing I am concerned about and would like the development team to consider is the accessibility and possibility of finding and completing quests not only for all sorts of professions, but for solo players as well. Please do not make the quests so outlandishly difficult that one could only accomplish it with a task force of pets and players. While they should be challenging, they should also be able to be completed by SOLO players that aren't Bounty Hunters/Commandos/CH.

2) PLEASE take into consideration the time and effort expended by those who have gone through the "holocron cycle." A player should be helped, somehow, in the new system if they have completed Holo professions and still haven't unlocked the FS slot (especially if they have done 3 or 4). It would be patently unfair to start under the new system at the same level as players who never even obtained or used one holocron.

3) ConsiderMINIMIZING quests that require the finding of rare dropped items, e.g., holocrons. These requirements only foster a number of negative elements while increasing the general frustration of players. They foster, for example, site camping by hordes of players waiting for an item to drop, and they also foster a black market where these items sell for outrageous amounts (including out of game sales on Ebay, for real money, if the Devs weren't already aware of this fiasco).

Thank you for your consideration,

Best regards,

Novo (Scylla)

In order to satisfy the Star Wars fans as well as the avid gamer, I think the Jedi system need to be based on two things. 1) An understanding of how characters become Jedi in the films and 2) A strong need to limit the number of players that can be Jedi at any one time.

1- Jedis did not elect to become Jedi, they were chosen.

2- Jedis were chosen by other Jedis who acted as mentors to the Padewan.

3- Jedis had severe limitations on their actions because of their chosen path.

4- To violate these limitations have severe consequences.

So, these principles seem to indicate that to become a Jedi, one would have to be selected for this fate - not choose it of their own will - that someone (preferably a PC) would elect to sponsor this person based on their Jedi aptitude.

Only after being sponsored would the player have the opportunity to increase in power through completing quests.

Now, perhaps your aptitude could be effected by your in-game actions, but I believe this should be highly profession specific and not reward afk fighters and power gamers, but reward people based on the quality of their play.

This system will make or break this game for thousands of players. The developers need to decide which group they hope to satisfy - the gamers or the roleplayers. I don't know if a system exists that could possibly satisfy both. Then implement a system that can give everyone the feeling that becoming a Jedi may be possibly, but awarding this opportunity sparingly so as not to make every other character type insignificant and obsolete.

There is my two cents worth.

Jimmie Flannagan (Valcyn)
Master Architect
Master Merchant
Master Artisan

This period in SWG was at the tail end of the imperial scouring of the galaxy to systematically destroy all Jedi(with some notable exceptions), correct? So an easy way to keep the Jedi population down:

Make it SO dangerous and difficult that only the intelligent, skilled, and lucky gamer will be able to make any progress in Jedi skills. There are so many Bounty Hunters waiting to be Jedi gardners, and why not incoroporate automatic NPC spawns of Imperial Jedi hunters who appear when too many Jedi are on the server, or NPC bounty hunters. If Bounty Hunter Jedi missions worked well, Jedi would have to be constantly on the move and in hiding as it should be.

Ithink opening the force slot should be something even the casual gamer can do in a few months. Surviving to get through novice JEDI should be an absolute challenge. Getting to master JEDI should be the true mark of the SWG master and should require intimate knowledge of all profs and geography and how to utilze them to keep your character alive.

An unkillable Darth Vader death machine tracking down the foolish Jedi who flaunt their powers, or Boba Fett himself....nice!!! Put it in.

Anything to lower grinding in the game so people can have FUN!!!! That's what it is about.

I believe a theme park quest would be a good idea but the theme park can only be unlocked by someone who:

1: First grinds for there first holo mastering that i.e. Teras Kasi

2:Then

I believe a theme park quest would be a good idea but the theme park can only be unlocked by someone who:

1: First grinds for there first holo mastering that i.e. Teras Kasi

2:Then you get a vision of a place (may be a cave or a house in a city or mountian that only you can go in) this place could be on any planet you are given aone screenshots(a jedi vision)and an email with coorinates but no waypoint so it will take time to get to the place.

3nce you have found this place i.e. bestine house in the slums(that you have walk past as a normal person but seen no blue line on the map to intergate that you may enter but now you can) Inside there should be a puzzle to solve with more clues( more of a dialog like answering 10 questions from the starwars universe or the planets and nature of swg)

4nce this is done the NPC tells you you are beginning your journey. Now this is where your Grinding comes in for Teras Kasi, you are given missions based on you Holo i.e. for this prof.

Mission 1:you may need to meditate for a long time to reach a new level of being(gain ability to heal others) Mission 2:you need to journey to a temple using your mind only again no waypoint but instead of a screenshot a riddle to solve(earn a badge) Mission 3:Helping the sick and injured in a small setttlement given waypoint to this (earn a badge) Mission 4: Track down a settler and stop her/him from killing someone (this will be done by careful answers) Mission 5: using no weapon(i.e. for this prof. no Vibro Knuckler) defeat a mad creature that is attacking a village on Naboo.

5: Once you have done these missions you now with 1200ap then you force sentive slot opens a your journey continues

6: Now you should get jedi exp points from the first holo Grinded forand i believe that the skills and stats you have learned from i.e. Teras Kasi should stay with you. ( giving every jedi a different look)

7: When you are ready to learn a new skill you must return to your NPC

8: When you are ready to master or move to the next level i.e. Knight to Master be it Dark or Light you have another vision and you begin your journey to find the new NPC but at every level from the start you have to do 5missions then 10missions then 15missions and so on until you are a master.

the rewards could change i.e. you cannot afford to buy a Krayt pearl but you may get one from a mission of a waypoint to a man that has one or a darkjedi that you have to kill to get one or both depending on how many the you thing that one person needs as rewards.

I believe in trials for jedi like in the Jedi Knight:Jedi Academy game/ or in StarWars The Empire strikes back with yoda's training for luke there shouldnt be any combat. depends on what you have mastered for holo i.e. Terasi Kasi combat would be good but if it was Tailor or Artisans combat would not be a trial for you

I still think one holo should be enough not four and guess the last one. It still makes it hard for some peolpe like newbies cant just join the game then became a jedi it should be for all but it must take time to become a jedi like a month to do the above 1-5 this way you still are rewarding those who have started grinding or have grinded at least one holo

Jedi should be independent when doing missions up and until master but after that a NPC or a terminal in your hiddin place should give you jedi missions as groups of jedi not aBounty Hunterand a jedi together

First Holo=Artisan= by getting there stats you will find it easier to make a light saber

First Holo=Heavy Swordsman= by getting there stats you will get a bonus from weilding the light saber (single blade)

First Holo=Bounty Hunter= by getting there stats you will have bonus from melee and ranged attacks

First Holo=Medic= by getting there stats you will have the ablities to heal and cure poison

these are just a few ideas of what i believe a jedi and how to become a jedi should be!!!!!

The path of the Jedi immerses the player on a life Quest for knowledge of both themselves and the Force.

A player that seeks knowledge of the Force will expand upon the knowledge and skills they already possess

as well as learn new ones. Along the path to 'enlightenment', opportunities and temptation both play a role in

shaping and honing the development of the skills the knowledge of the Force bestow upon a player, thus

making them increasingly more sensitive to the 'tug and pull' of the Force.

Following this philosophy,upon aplayer's path to Jedi, theyshould increasingly gain understanding and

knowledge of the ways of the Force until they become 'force sensitive' (an apprentice/padawan).

This would involve the following:

1. Upon creating a character, a player should be required to master their starting profession. This would allow a basic skill to build upon and be the first step toward unlocking a most basic knowledge of the Force. Quests built upon this profession and supporting it should be completed in order to gain access to a new skill that will be required for the next step towards FS(force sensitivity). NOTE: all professions would need starting quests and choices within them.

2. At this stage, according to the choices presented and then taken by the player, a new set of skills(profession(s)) would present themselves from which the player chooses another path to follow. (There could be combinations that would require the player to master other professions as a prerogative of the next chosen profession.) Quests built around this profession would enable the player to advance along their path at their own discretion, again shaped by the choices they make.

2a. Giving the player a choice in their own development would allow a vast, intricate variety of gameplay and interaction between players and could even broaden the horizon of role-play within the GCW.

3. Static quests along the path to Jedi that require at least a little help from other players would help congeal the SWG communitymakingguilds and player cooperation more valid within the scope role-play.

4. Players who already have vast skills and knowledge(mastered all their holo professions and however many others) should only be required to complete one last profession with its quests, which will present itself upon implementation, then be required to complete the static quests.

I may post more later, but currently I am tired of typing.

There is one last thing that is still not clear to me, whether this whole post is in error due to the subject of 'path to become a Jedi' not having to do with pre-slot, but rather for Jedi after already unlocking slot. Clarification from the Devs, specifically Thunderheart would be appreciated.

Razzlion/Rassilon, Ancient Lord of Time