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Thread: Publish 10.4 Issues

Zertus
Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:17 pm
#40

I was back on term in less then 45 min playing. I did not lvl in a POI or kill massive NPC or show LS at a starport.

Is that normal ?
Axe_Grinder
Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:43 pm
#41

Bounty Hunter gets a mission on a Jedi.


Bounty Hunter groups with friends.


Bounty Hunter engages the Jedi.


Jedi defends himself.


Bounty hunters group now has a TEF on the Jedi.


Bounty Hunters group attacks the Jedi.


Bounty hunter leaves the area...


Bounty Hunters group kills the Jedi.


Jedi loses EXP as if the BH killed him, the BH gets no credit for the kill, Jedi remains on the board. In fact that same BH can come back and still has a TEF and can kill the Jedi again.


Hence why there should be no GTEF for BH missions on Jedi.



**Dark Jedi Knight of Onyx** - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Peace is a lie, there is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my Chains are broken.


The force shall set me free.
IdrisTycho
Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:17 pm
#42






Axe_Grinder wrote:

Bounty Hunter gets a mission on a Jedi.


Bounty Hunter groups with friends.


Bounty Hunter engages the Jedi.


Jedi defends himself.


Bounty hunters group now has a TEF on the Jedi.


Bounty Hunters group attacks the Jedi.


Bounty hunter leaves the area...


Bounty Hunters group kills the Jedi.


Jedi loses EXP as if the BH killed him, the BH gets no credit for the kill, Jedi remains on the board. In fact that same BH can come back and still has a TEF and can kill the Jedi again.


Hence why there should be no GTEF for BH missions on Jedi.







Yeah I get the feeling that this publish was just a bone thrown to the disenfranchised Jedi who were about to quit. It really doesn't even attempt to address some of the most important aspects of the BH/Jedi relationship. And the idea of equippinga lightsaber causing visibility?! Who the heck came up with that stroke of genius?


We have to allow the BH to get the first shot off free or else we gain visibility trying to keep ourselves defended by having our lightsaber equipped. Brilliant! I am guessing the developer who came up with that rule just thought it sounded like it made sense. Most high level Jedi are completely defenseless without their lightsaber equipped and yet we cannot equip it or we gain visibility!


How about thinking a change through for once? How about actually fixing problems that matter? How about actually fixing problems that you say are fixed? hmm? Each publish and each announcement the developers are losing more and more credibility. In fact if credibility were like Jedi EXP, the developers are pegged at -1,000,000 and only the new EXP floor is keeping them there.


The sad truth is that I don't even want them to make any more Jedi changes. I want them to fix the other professions first. I suppose we will have to wait a year for that eh? Well no amount of shooting down tie fighters is going to appease me for a year I can tell you that! There better be a lot more coming along than JTLS to keep my two accounts.

Tralmek
Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:44 pm
#43

Common arguments against the Entertainers' claim to their new "content" include the idea that there are more Jedi than Entertainers and that the Entertainment professions are not broken, nor do Entertainers really need new content. I've answered these in a limited fashion below. For extended reports on all of them, please feel free to visit the Entertainer, Dancer, and Musician forums. There are plenty of discussions about it!


The Entertainmentprofessions have a legitimate claim to the Devs' time. Since December 2003Entertainers have been promised additional content including quests with new songs and dances. During the spring of 2004 Entertainer "quests" were put on Test Center to be released before the first of the Jedi patches. These were tested and then cast aside in favor of Jedi, never released. Now, six months later they revisited the samequests, telling the Entertainers they would be included in Publish 10.2. They were not. The Devs started a feedback thread nearly two weeks ago and have giventhe Entertainment communityno further updates on whentheir "content" will be added.


I am not going to let thisbe put on the back burner again. Since the game has launched, Entertainers have received virtually nothing in the way of attention from the Devs.

I am not going to sit around idly anymorewhilethe Devsdrive the Entertainment professions into the ground through neglect.

All I am asking for is that they give Entertainers the same respect they give anybody else. If nothing else, they could at least post in the Feedback thread and say "Hey, screw Entertainers, we're working on Jedi." At least then there'd be a specific statement, something which really shows a lot more respect than the way they're ignoringEntertainers now.


**Begin Edit**

This has been rephrased to work slightly better and hopefully so it can't in any way be considered negative toward AlphaMaldorian. I totally misunderstood the intentions of his post. But this goes to show how sensitive some of us have become to the entire issue. (I'm so sorry, AM! Really I'm not usually so grumpy...I promise!)

Message Edited by Tralmek on 10-02-2004 06:39 PM




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Gaenjin
Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:54 pm
#44




Kaccei wrote:



32 Meters


How much visibility you get also depends on the type of NPC you perfrom the action infront of.


More info can be found here http://swg.stratics.com/content/news/archive/arc8-2004.phpunder the "Publish 10.3 Feedback Answered" from 9/22.




in-game KB article on it too: soe12182

Gaenjin
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:04 pm
#45



**I posted wrong thread, moved to Feedback Thread */grumble*

Message Edited by Gaenjin on 10-02-2004 05:10 PM

Tandava
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:07 pm
#46

He was being sarcastic Tral. I think he's on our side...I'm not sure, but I think.



  1. Tandaava A'Ie
  2. Kettemoor, Bria
  3. It is the same on every "starter world" (Corellia, Naboo, Tatooine)
  4. All NPC Theaters
  5. There are no Theater Managers from which to start the Entertainer "Quests"nor are there any posts from SOE officials about when Entertainers can expect their new "content" to be added (it was supposed to be in publish 10.2).There haven't even beenDeveloper replies tothe Feedback thread started nearly 2 weeks ago.
  6. There aren't many steps to take other than going into a Theater and looking around for the Theater Manager.

And fix the dance.


And actually, just actually invest time in all the base game that was created. If you wanted Jedi Wars youshould have put the game during the Republic. As it is we are *trying* to be Star Warsy here and have a decent economy, a fun active social life where people aren't solo grinding to jedi, and enjoy a game setting. Help the smugglers, fix politician issues, give people more schematics, do anything for the entertainers, deal with the afk issues fulfill your promises. The jedi grind is worse than the hologrind its killing aspects of the game.





Tandaava
Member of /ENT, Manager, Ret.

/ENT is for ALL Live Entertainers who want to help other people! Be it buff, heal, amuse, entertain, socialize or roleplay. Join up at Kettemoor/CHAT/ENT today!
zounds_klaxons
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:10 pm
#47

roughly 99% of jedi are reporting as "offline" when they are really "online". i know theyre online because i send them tells to confirm its not friendlist ghosting or whatever.

ive /bugged all of them. if you need assistance, feel free to send me a PM or email. today 10/12 missions didnt work. yesterday, i was 10/10 (when i get 10 in a row, i logoff in frustration).

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# What is your ingame character name?
zounds klaxons
# What Galaxy did you experience this issue on?
kettemoor
# What Planet were you on when this happened?
corellia, naboo
# What location (coordinates) were you at when you experienced this issue?
kaadara, coronet, bela vistal
# Please list a full description of the problem you experienced (Full details needed here folks!)
i obtain a mission for a jedi, i obtain his or her biosignature, when i attempt to launch droids to find them, the droids report "target off line". in fact, the target is definitely online. they are on my friends list, and i can send and receive tells from them. sending them emails, tipping, relogging, and getting them to relog, and aborting the mission and then getting a new mission and new bio signature doesnt fix this problem. this is a very frequent occurance.
# Reproducible Steps: This is very important in helping us isolate exactly where the problem is.
obtain a mission on a jedi, i mean, its as simple as that.

Message Edited by zounds_klaxons on 10-02-2004 08:14 PM



Zounds Klaxons
Kettemoor

All the dead ghosts of rock and roll
Are gonna follow you wherever you go
Tralmek
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:24 pm
#48

I read it the first time as not on our position then when I hit the /sarcasm off I read it through again sarcasticly and it still sounded against our POV. Looking at it again, with a slightly different tone of voice I guess you're right, it could be support for us. But it wasn't too clear to me.


If I was wrong and this was support, I'm sorry my reply sounded so extreme! (I stand by what I said though ) In the past 15 months I've become a bit touchy when it comes to Entertainer issues.




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AlphaMaldorian
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:29 pm
#49



Tandava wrote:
He was being sarcastic Tral. I think he's on our side... I'm not sure, but I think.


Yes, I most surely was being sarcastic. For the record, I am NOT a Jedi either. I just dress like one to further my business.

I really meant no disrespect to your plight. I AM on your side.
I as well have gotten the $hits of this development team's broken promises and lack of ability to produce a publish with bugs (or push to live a publish with KNOWN bugs) or breaking things unrelated to what is published.

How the random havester ouput hopper bug happened is beyond me, considering nothing else about harvesters was addressed in the patch notes.

Regardless, I apologize to you. I am sorry if I aggrevated you further.

Peace.



Potsilosk Thrashak
"Queer Eye for the Jedi" (R) Interior Design Service

Master Architect, Master Artisian, Master Merchant,
among other support professions.


_________________________________________________
Tralmek
Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:52 pm
#50






AlphaMaldorian wrote:



Yes, I most surely was being sarcastic. For the record, I am NOT a Jedi either. I just dress like one to further my business.

I really meant no disrespect to your plight. I AM on your side.
I as well have gotten the $hits of this development team's broken promises and lack of ability to produce a publish with bugs (or push to live a publish with KNOWN bugs) or breaking things unrelated to what is published.

/bow /respect

How the random havester ouput hopper bug happened is beyond me, considering nothing else about harvesters was addressed in the patch notes.

Regardless, I apologize to you. I am sorry if I aggrevated you further.

It's not you who needs to apologize. I was totally out of line in directing my post so specifically to yours to begin with, especially since I wasn't reading it in the way you meant it to be read.

Peace.

and to you




-Lilo







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Steven7856
Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:13 pm
#51


  1. What is your ingame character name? Daryl Licaw
  2. What Galaxy did you experience this issue on? Radiant
  3. What Planet were you on when this happened? Tatooine
  4. What location (coordinates) were you at when you experienced this issue? This does not seem to be coordinate specific, it has happened at several locations. I will get the coordinates when I log back in next.
  5. Please list a full description of the problem you experienced (Full details needed here folks!) Inventory deletion: Items that I have picked up are disappearing from my inventory, some are returning some are not. I am in the process of moving my store so some of these items have come from my vendor and some are items that that I picked up off the floor. However ALL of the disappearing items have involved a backpack. Either I placed the items into a backpack and they disappeared or I have retrieved/picked up a back pack only to have it disappear. Relogging does not bring the items back (I have acctually only had one backpack return). I have had this happen at my old store location (xxxx xxxx), my new store location (xxxx xxxx) and while I was traveling between (exact coordinates are unknown). I even had one backpack disappear, that I had just picked up, while I was renaming it.
  6. Reproducible Steps: This is very important in helping us isolate exactly where the problem is. I do not know what steps produce this it does not happen every time. I would estimate that about 10% of the backpacks I have tried to transport have disappeared and I didn't do anything different to them than I did to the others. However, steps taken:

  7. 1. Enter residence (kind of a given that all my backpacks are stored either in residence.)

  8. 2. Retirieved backpack from vendor or picked backpack up from the floor

  9. 3. Sometimes I put more items in to the backpack but not always this doesn't seem to have an affect on the backpacks disappearing

  10. 4. Drive to new store location

  11. 5. Open up Inventory, backpacks are gone inventory is at zero

  12. 6. Log off SWG

  13. 7. Log on SWG

  14. 8. Check inventory

  15. 9. Say lots of bad words

  16. 10. About 3 to 5 hours after backpack disappears (possibly server reset, I do not know if it is the wait or that I'm waiting through a server reset)the packwill return IF I have not done ANYTHING to my invetory. And I do mean anything, if I have picked upa singleitem, moved something in my inventory, renamed an item anything at all, then the backpack and everything it contains will not return.



Alton Licaw
LIcaw Family of Crafters: Armorsmith (12pt) / Chef (12pt) / Architect (11pt) / Weaponsmith (12pt) / Tailor (10pt) / Artisian (12pt) / Master Smuggler
Vendors located at -432 +3617 Tatooine (Mos Entha nearest starport)
telexx
Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:14 pm
#52

Unless you fix the way overdue problem with 30:1 XP ratios, I will not have interest in renewing my cancellation due on November 1st. I won't even mention the piss poor time gate that prevents me from advancing every 3 weeks.



Per Synapse
Elder Jedi - Council Member
Order of Darkness -OD-
Starting Date: July 1, 2003

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