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Thread: Live Issues Publish 9: Secrets of the Force

LoBai
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:11 am
#469

Hmmmmm.... Seems easy for you to say that WHY ? Because you DON'T SUFFER XP LOSS WHEN YOU DIE!


I think i've read about every single exscuse to complain in these forums for the last year or so and it never gets any better. But one thing I do know is thatthose people who are happy rarely complaine. So my point is GOOD JOBDEVS thier arehundredsof thousands of players whohave the forsight to see that you are trying toballance the PVP system. Personnally I'm tired of killing jedi in three seconds, I WANT A CHALLENGE! Gone are the days of a master marksman killing a Jedi Knight. Who mayI remind everyone, is suppose to be aForce of PVP not apunching bag!


Second when you saw a jedi take hissaber out in the original movies (Episode 3) you don't see anyone trying to killhim other than the person he wastrying to take out. (Cantina Mos? Episode 3) Thier were several other characters in that particular cantina and they did't all go attacking the Jedi Master. So stop your complaining about TEF. YOU WILL ALL HAVE YOUR CHANCE TO KILL JEDI! YEA KNIGHT LEVEL AND ABOVE WITH A TEF! I'MSOSORRY YOU DON'T GET TOTAKE OUT HELPLESS LOW LEVEL JEDI ON YOUR WHIM TO FEEL SUPERIOR, JEDI WHO ARE NOT AT ALL CAPABLE OF GIVING YOU A FAIR FIGHT (LIKE A PADAWAN).


So it's time for a ballanced PVP system and now you are all complaining because you can no longer bully everyone in the game AROUND with your beefed up greatly exagerated character. It just seems to me that you will have to rely on skill now to win your battles. Boooo Hooooo


Oh and by the way I am a MBH! I love the challenge! SORRY FOR THE SPAM, NOT!


LoBai, Master Doc Radiant

Iori' Master Bounty Hunter Radiant

SciCabbit
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:11 am
#470






Saratoga wrote:

Issues I have with this patch:


1. Too many visible Jedi ruining the continuity of the game. Is this going to change? Probably not as it is a great marketing tool for SOE. DEVs dont waste your time on developing a quest for Jedi. Unlock jedi for everyone. This will give you time to fix smuggler, BH, carbine, squad leader, and all the other broken professions. Put back in light saber TEF and if they display their tag automatic TEF for anyone who see it. According to the literature most people in the galaxy blame Jedi for the downfall of the old republic. There is a lot of anomosity out there now with Jedi stealing all the kills and just being every where. Make Jedi significantly less powerful than the other master combat classes. Only allow Jedi knights to be powerful but on an equal basis to master level combatants for the sake of playabiltiy and balance. We should not be competing with them in these dungeons. We should be slaughtering them according to the time line of the game.


The Devs have stated the Continuity is not the same as you read in the books or in the Movies. Its impossiblt to have the same Continuity as the books and movies cause People who came to play Star Wars Galaxies want to become Jedi. It may not be you who wants Jedi, but I know a lot who do. So Continuity will not be the same. Live with it.


TEF's are still there, but Havint the TEF when a Jedi Uses a Lightsaber gave tons of people the Chance to Grief Jedi. Currently, if a Jedi Dies/clones, He looses 200k+ of Jedi exp. --- TEF's are still there if a Factioned Jedi attacks the opposite Faction, as is with any other profession. Jedi are (*Insert Any Race*) and are not all alike. Live with it.


2. Weapon delay is obviously a game breaker for many. Just like shuttle waits are. I have no problem with the armor delay. Makes sense as putting on body armor in RL and then strapping on equipment takes awhile. Remove weapon delay. Find another solution for Jedi exploiting. Remove shuttle waits too while you are at it.


Jedi Profession is not the ones who are Exploiting Switching Armor or Weapons. The People who are Exploiting the weapon switches are those who have like Janta Knifes with Mind Poison or the like. They use that, then switch to another weapon to continue attacking. This is a Form of Exploit in PvP and I'm glad this was added. (*Just Cause it was in the Jedi Publish doesn't Mean it was a Jedi Exploit. This Publish is also the Beginning of the Combat Revamp they have been talking about*)


3. Where are the components for the new junk dealer schematics? i have killed hundreds of NPCs and nothing. get rid of the old imp and rebel discs and increase the spawn rate of these new items.


Lower End NPC's have the broken stuff.


4. I am still warping when I get off my bike.


Try Stopping Completly to get off your bike. if you are /dismount ing off your bike before it stops, the clinet still thinks you are farthur Back... Have Patients, the client and Server have to match to get off where you want to get off.


5. Where are the goodies for us veterans who have been in this game since it went live? We are your advocates. Reward us and we will help you by trying to add more people to the game and by convincing our friends to stay.


If you are the games Advocates, why are you complaining about stuff that they change? Most of the Stuff that is changed is cause people like you were complaining about it. So they change it and now you complain about the change. Please make up your mind (*this rant is for all, not just for the reply*)


My fun meter was pegged right before the Corvette. The Genosian Labs are great and I commend you on that dungeon. That was the perfect level of difficulty for non casual players.


Thisgame should not cater to power gamers. The Corvette and Bunker are just not fun. The super battle droids are unrealistic, the deaths on the Vette are far too excessive, and loot drop rates are ridiculously low. i hear more people getting bunker loot from NPCs outside the bunker than within.


They do not cater to the Power Gammers. if you are a CAusal Gamer and had just gotten the template you always wanted, wouldn't you like to test it out in groups to see how well you fair?


After this patch my fun meter is at 50%. I am a huge star wars fan. Especially the timeline we are suppose to be in. I think Lucas Arts needs to break out the leash as you have strayed too far.


I hate to tell you, but all changes in SWG have to go through Lucas Arts first. So, if Lucas Arts agree's to all changes, then its still star wars'ie in their minds. I wouldn't doubt if George Lucas himselfs plays.



Casper



captenjonny
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:15 am
#471

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SciCabbit wrote:

3. Majority of the people in this game want to Be a Jedi. They got Starwars Galaxies just for the Sole Purpose to become a Jedi. I did and I used the force to unlock my slow.


casper
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So most people LIKE grinding to become ..... GODS.... to whip the poopers of up-and-coming GODS!?!?!?!?!



I'll grant you I haven't been around for months but I am a regular reader of these posts and if what you say is true there would only be a Jedi thread!!! If EVERYONE wanted to be a Jedi why are there already over 21 pages of people unhappy with what happened to the game.


You need to put your lightsaber away and let your eyes adjust to reality chum.




Captain Jonny
Getoc
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:18 am
#472






SciCabbit wrote:


Force Characters are an Option and not something to ruin the game. You can be force Sensitive after Publish #10 and still not be a Jedi.


casper







Maybe ure not one of jedi trying to ruin the game for others but a lot of jedis are exactly doing this since yesterday and thats why the people are upset .

Message Edited by Getoc on 06-30-2004 09:21 AM



Get'toc : Elder Jedi - Farstar day 1 player - Proud of wearing the 'Teras Kasi Elder Titile' to honor the coolest profession there has ever been in SWG . Black Epsilon Pilot Ace .

Xanea : Trader - Master Shipdesigner and RSF Pilot Ace / Xaneas Shipyard at Arakeen on Lok (closed atm because of spaceloot sickness)

Sharres : Spy by nature and RSF Pilot Ace , Smuggler Pilot Ace , Black Epsilon Pilot Ace and acutal Corsec Pilot Ace
Tiragon
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:22 am
#473

The only thing I have to say is THANK YOU LOBAI. I am not a jedi and I don't care if people are or aren't. There should be some rules about having a TKM or a Master BH going up to a brand new jedi padawan and kicking his a**. If that makes people feel good about themselves to kill somebody who worked VERY HARD to get that character and at that point isn't even good. Then you have problems. And also, if you're a BH you should not be able to kill every Jedi Master on the server. I always see people refering to the movies so I will too. Whenever you see a Jedi fight in the movies, a NORMAL person NO MATTER WHAT profession he is or WHAT he is can not kill a Jedi solo. It takes MORE than one person do kill a single Jedi. So stop complaining if you can't solo a Jedi anymore. It just means that you need to get some friends and go happy hunting. There, stop complaining about everything and ENJOY the game. IT'S A FREAKING GAME!!!!! Calm down.


P.S. I am not a Jedi, I am a TK novice. So I'm not even that good. I just can't stand people complaining about the game. If you know how to create a game and program, go right ahead but 99.9% of the people who play these games, CAN'T.
Tejin
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:23 am
#474


Issue: Padawan Robe does not seem to give the +10 bonus to force regeneration
Server: Valcyn
Planet: ANY
Location (x,y): ANY
Your profession: Jedi Padawan, Master Swordsman, Master Rifleman
Instructionson how to recreate the bug: Not Necessary.


Issue: Lag is back on Dantooine
Server: Valcyn
Planet: Dantooine
Location (x,y): Any
Your profession: Already Posted
Instructionson how to recreate the bug: Fly to dantooine and start doing stuff. You'll see delays.


Issue: Padawan Robe does not show any defenses.
Server: Valcyn
Planet: Any
Location (x,y): Any
Your profession: Already Posted
Instructionson how to recreate the bug: Equip the robe without any other armor, and fight a creature. Watch the damage roll in.


These are the BUGS that I have for now. I'll post more as I get them.

Galoopa
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:25 am
#475






CubanSmuggler wrote:

You guys should try...hmm...not complaining?



That's right just stop complaining and play the freakin' game (and casually bring up the issues you want fixed, the Devs might respond a little more to you asking them to fix stuff rather than you bitching them into fixing stuff).


I find it to be a much more enjoyable experience that way.






Riggghhhttt. Crack is whack man.



SOE: "Bringing a new generation to the world wise and demoralized stage ten years early."
SciCabbit
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:27 am
#476






troettger wrote:





SciCabbit wrote:

3. Majority of the people in this game want to Be a Jedi. They got Starwars Galaxies just for the Sole Purpose to become a Jedi. I did and I used the force to unlock my slow.

casper





Um I would venture to guess that a larger majority of people grew up watching star wars and thought the idea of being in a star wars game offered the opportunity to play something that you grew up watching. A large majority of people would like to see the game stick with the story line of the time in which it is placed where jedi are rare. I for 1 have never hologrinded and never even attempted to do 1 holo profession even though my first would have been one of the easiest.








The Story line you are baseing your fun on is from movies and books. The Movies are pretty much writen by George Lucas, and the Books are based on a ton of different authors with their own look on things. But they still have to follow the basic Rules -- George's Word is Law --. and yet, all the stories that are written are not in a continues time frame, but is placed inside a time frame. the SOE Team is basically set in one time frame right now and until they get the Combat and Professions Revamped to be working they way they want it. We will pretty much be in that time frame.


From this thought, As long as SWG does not change anythingthathas happened inthe Movies and books, the SOE Team can do almost anything they want... They are Implimenting side stories to increase on the Star Wars Universe. Adding Content when they can to the current planets what were never mentioned in games, books or movies.


Jedi are apart of the game. Yes, there was a Clone wars and a Jedi Hunt that wipped out a bunch of Jedi. Think of the jedi that are in the game now are the children of jedi that were wipped out in the past. In the Movies no, Jedi were Luke, Darth, Obi and Yoda. But in the books, there are others that are Force sensitive and never used their powers until they hear stories.


Live the game, Not the forums. ENjoy all changes and dont complain. /waveshand "these are not the droids you are looking for"


Casper
Liani
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:39 am
#477


Casper, the Bloodfin Jedi, opined: I hate to tell you, but all changes in SWG have to go through Lucas Arts first. So, if Lucas Arts agree's to all changes, then its still star wars'ie in their minds. I wouldn't doubt if George Lucas himselfs plays.






(I'll bet you 10000000 credits he is not a bounty hunter!)


I am a Pistoleer.


I ran missions on Dantooine last night. (6-29-04)


2 of my missions did not pay any reward. This bug repeats every time I run missions there.


To repeat this bug, group with any number of people and run missions on Dantooine.


This bug is related to Publish 9, 8, and 7.


Bug reports have been filed. There has been NO RESPONSE.


Liani



Message Edited by Liani on 06-30-2004 09:41 AM



Liani Ivy h Jedi Witch
Galactic Security Agency Riverbend, Nabooze
leeds
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:42 am
#478

Thanks for the crafting mini stealth. Before I was able to make things that only required generic crafting tool with my weapon, droid, and GENERAL crafting tool. If it's a general crafting tool then let me make general/generic stuff with it. Not sure if anyone else posted on this or not. Still i simply hate stealth nerfs, it's just underhanded.......
BleuDestiny
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:46 am
#479


OMG what is with the new saber sound effect ??? its like a super-annoying baby chicken chirping sound, or the sound of a sharp knife going in and out of a block of styrofoam. It's driving me nuts.


How on earth do we get a chirping sound from saber attacks? I'm going to be forced to turn off the sound, and that really sux.

Message Edited by BleuDestiny on 06-30-2004 09:47 AM





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Getoc
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:46 am
#480






SciCabbit wrote:

Never fully trust all those people you read complaining about the game. In the Jedi Forums, Most of the people who complain are those who haven't unlocked or those who are Bounty Hunters. same thing for all the other professions. there will always people complaining about one thing or another.

casper




Might that be because swinging sabers at starport and shouting childish l33t suff is noticed by all players ? Or might it be because they are forced into pvp and get their xp through slauthering the ones complaining now ? Maybe some people think that they should be rare and now see that they are nowhere near this .... maybe they are just sick of the jedi guardians involved in pvp before the patch and see now that jedi raids will become regular and that the number will increase because there are NO triggers to keep them downeffectivly . And btw ... even jedis in the jedi forum are saying that they just should shut up because of their still going on whinesto be made superior to everyone .



Get'toc : Elder Jedi - Farstar day 1 player - Proud of wearing the 'Teras Kasi Elder Titile' to honor the coolest profession there has ever been in SWG . Black Epsilon Pilot Ace .

Xanea : Trader - Master Shipdesigner and RSF Pilot Ace / Xaneas Shipyard at Arakeen on Lok (closed atm because of spaceloot sickness)

Sharres : Spy by nature and RSF Pilot Ace , Smuggler Pilot Ace , Black Epsilon Pilot Ace and acutal Corsec Pilot Ace
izzysplace
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:49 am
#481

My Man TH Any word on if the next mini publish will be going in, in a couple weeks the one with the new Wookiee Armor?? I know the revamp pushed it back some so will we still get it soon?



great job on the revamp though I just lost 200k xp yesterday ( no armor and no resiets on robes grrr) just have get used to it hehe
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