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Thread: Live Issues Publish 9: Secrets of the Force

Cphyr
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:17 pm
#261

Issue: Sometimes i get double the exp for a single mob, lets say a Gebel General. One grants 588xp. I would get 588xp and in the next system message another 588xp, i think this could be related to Jedi dieing multiple times at once. Happened multiple times in 5 hours of playing.

Server: Infinity

Planet: Dantooine



Location (x,y): Somewhere near the imp outpost doing faction missions.



Your profession: Jedi



Instructions on how to recreate the bug: good question



Cphyr' (yes includes the ')
AAAAAHH
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:18 pm
#262






Cafa wrote:


NO Support = NO Trust = NO Game


Well last night I watched a couple of houses with over 100 days of maintenance on them disappear and the houses go poof. One of those houses had 14 million units of the best organics and water ever to hit the Tempest server and they are all gone now. That's a good 7 months of resource collection activity, all gone. Initially, I thought the player holding the houses may have deleted their character, since that was the only activity that made housing disappear almost instantly. But after some research and noticing that MANY of my houses were low on maintenance I see that the super maintenance eating bug is back.


On top of that I wasn't the only one. A good friend lost every "rare" item off his vendor and his house during this patch phase. In addition, I am on Teamspeak now with a guild member who has been spending the week getting his overall house maintenance on all of his characters houses to maximum so he could chill for a while. He's even been telling us the progress with each mission run to Dathomir. Now CS.Live.CSR_AmandaT is telling him that he never paid anything into the structures whatsoever and she sees nothing wrong. Oh, but can she stop looking at the structures since he obviously was wrong about that one. He's gonnaeat 700k of maintenance. Right after he mentioned this I went into a house I had put maintenance into an HOUR ago and it was 6411 credits required to repair.


So, who knows. Maybe when I log in tomorrow after I calm down there may be nothing left anywhere and we have to either quit the game or act like the majority of the playerbase and just get everthing from running missions from now on.


But, SOE, you have really really let me and this playerbase down with these problems. Honestly, I hope when you look in the mirror and think about all the people that support your work and I "assume" your dreams, I hope you get a real good happy feeling inside when you know how much you've gone out of your way to screw people over. I've spent 10 months supporting your product and company through payments and customer building. I have 7 character accounts in my family and I'm probably only going to keep the necessary onesalive to support others in game because I just can't put up with the lies from your "online support" team and the wanton neglect you have had for data integrity. You're either unprofessional in your technical understanding and implementation of data structures, ignorant or completely malicious to your customers. If nothing else, if you had raised resource stack limits to 1000K there would never had been a need for any other storage outside my personal characters. But, then when I think about that, you would have burned my house down as quick as the ones that I was maintaining maintenance on and using for storage.


Every player in this game should know and understand SOE does not value anything aboutthem whatsoever. There is no trust and absolutely no integrity with the data structures in this game. I don't even understand why they have the SONY title in their name. When I call SONY Electronics about a problem with anything the people are courteous and knowledgeable and go out of their way to help me. When I call SOE or submit a ticket or go in the chat room I always end up frustrated through the myriad of ways that the CSR community goes out of their way to not help me. The pinnacle, of course, if the moment they get to say the mantra, "it's a known issue but it is against our policy to replace anything". Ultimately I don't blame any of the CSR staff. They obviously know nothing about the game at heart and have been set up for failure by your managements inability to train them correctly.


Oh, and we really likedhis othercharacter with the AT-ST being warped to 0,0 right after the CSR checked it out because he was trying to deal with the maintenance problem. Was that a brand new *feature* or a CSR tantrum?


So here I sit on Teamspeak and watch my favorite crafting character on the other computer. He's probably done more than your developers ever imagined any character would in the architect world. And I was really starting to get into chef and trying to enjoy that part of the game. I'm talking to 8 people on Teamspeak that comprise another 23 accounts, so that's 30 accounts including mine. All of us are extremely disillusioned by losing all these resources that we ALL worked to gather. Heck, one of those guys with 3 accounts I was begging not to quit after your system destroyed his factories with the maintenance bug not 3 weeks ago. Now we just don't know. There's another11 people in our core group with a total of 30 accounts. That's 60 accounts in our core group. 60 x $15 =$900 a month. My guild has probably 130 members consisting of 50 real world people last time I checked.130 x $15 = $1950. That's not a bad amount of change that I've worked for over 10 months to bring together as a cohesive group for your company. Not to mention one of the largest crafters on this server was going to quit the game afterahouse full of the best stuffhe had was deleted by someone else and I talked him into staying and helped him get back on his feet. But, alas, none of this means anything to you. I'm sure as long and the Jedi players are happy, you're happy.


If you have any commentary or need to contact me send to Fivo or Cafa on Tempest. I'm pretty sure the few of you that read this won't find it here for long. I welcome any PMs on the matter.






Typical. Thanks for the great service SOE.
troettger
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:19 pm
#263

I've been seriously considering dumping my 4 accounts. If this is just a conversion for jedi's mostly, what will happen when they completely redo the combat revamp. That with all the dev's complaining in their posts that their too busy to fix issues that have been broke sence release, like smuggler and also the bh problems. This is their "fix". And in response to valid concerns that professions were seriously nerfed and gameplay was seriously disrupted for a large amount of people, one of the dev's replies with this:


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=238410#M238410


Nice customer service oriented smart A$$ remarks from a dev regarding paying customer's concerns. If they are so crunched for time perhaps they should stop the "upgrades" to the game and concentrate on the issues that they have promising for the last year *cough cough*smugler*cough*.





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DarkWraith65
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:19 pm
#264

After tuning one of my twin crystals it says -2.1E for speed. When placed in a saber it has no effect on speed.



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straud
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:19 pm
#265






Thunderhart says


4) Weapon Switching/Combat Cue: Update notes mention that switching weapons during combat goes through the combat command queue. This is not currently visible. We are investigating this now






Dude have u read half these post.. This is a game breaker and needs to be removed immediately!!


ppl want gameplay not unneeded nerfs


I dont care about seeing my weapon que.I care about seeing my weapon in my fooking hands when I switch it as soon as i click it or press a button.. make weapon switching un macroable or something else not this crap.


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I Totally agree here I was killed twice today cant switch between polearm and two handers like i used to and get my butt kicked by NS left n rright now becasuse i cant comob knockdown polearm with two handed head hit. Very sad . I left once with all three of my accounts came back abotu a month ago to check all the new stuff out. Love it . About to leave again after this craptastic NURF unannounced patch. All i ever read abotu was the jedi stuff and a efw tiny fixes in the notes would be nice to know what therye REALLY doing. VERY sick of this broken garbage again. Sorry to sound bad but this makes it impossible to play correctly. Alos how am i supposed to sell my resources when my customers are complaining to me abotu not seeing quantity or names of resources. I didnt know there was a vendor "fix" noone announced a THING abotu it and again something was added to that part of the code we werent told about. Sorry VERY dissapointed yet again.




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Mouserpg
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:20 pm
#266

God bless you devs. This revamp is everything I've wanted to see in game, and much much more.
IDontWantNoHandle
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:22 pm
#267


Veteran Reward: Nobody received the Veteran Reward Picture that was to have been granted to characters who were more than 30 days old. These will be granted tomorrow (Wednesday). We apologize for the slight delay.



This is not a veteran's reward, it is an everybody's reward. It is worthless because 99% of he players are not new. Do the Devs really think their are any "NEW" players? New characters yes, but very few new real players. People who have been playing for over 1 year have received nothing for their loyalty. The yacht is not a reward, you only get it insix months and then you have to buy it (or, is SOE giving the veterans the expansion for free?).


Junk Dealers and Loot Kits: Players can get the kits by visiting Junk Dealers that are located in Combat Guild Halls and request a “loot kit". Players can gain the loot kits by conversing with the Junk Dealer and selecting, "What sort of items do you have that you are looking to get rid of?" Once players decide which loot kit they would like, they may begin collecting the parts. Not all junk dealers are offering Loot Kits.




Did even ONE player request this? This will be about as popular as the original Junk Dealer revamp. It is very difficult to comprehend howSOE can allocate Dev resources to this and not to broken professions and game breaking bugs that have plagued the game since launch.



6) 0/0 Items: Items with condition 0 have red box around them, some are still usable with the condition 0. We are investigating this now.




My relatively new Vibro-Knucks went to 0/0 overnight. I KNOW they were not zero yesterday. I reported it to customer service and they emailed me back that they could not help me: Standard canned response, same one they used for the many busted missions I reported..which btw, I believe no Red-Name has acknowledged, even there are several hundred posts complaining about it. I suggest you get rid of the customer service department and just enable an"Auto-Reply We Can't Help You Message"



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gaundi
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:23 pm
#268

Issue: Armor Switching.


Planet: All


Affects: Everyone


Ok, I pvp. And i absolutely hate the fact that I cannot use a macro anymore to put on armor. You have to put on each individual piece seperately. What kind of junk is this. Macro's were put in the game for a reason. And now your taking some of those reasons away.


I understand the reason for you adding the weapons to the combat que. But thats ridiculous also. Make dots not stick for a certain amount of time. Do not take away the ability to switch weapons.


CM's can throw (using halva) stackable poisons as fast as they can hit the button. Yet I cannot change from baton to pistol in 4? Come on...If you were going to do this nerf..why not wait until the combat revam..or heck the jedi revamp when we are all using lightsabers anyway.


TAKE THIS OUT OF THE GAME..ITS ANNOYING..AND IT DOES NOT HELP THE GAME AT ALL. Its another quick fix thats gone bad. You guys need to actually resolve the problems. Dont patch them.


Suggestions: Keep weapons in the combat que.But with no delay if there are not any commands in que..

Armor. Do not have a delay on this, for there is no reason. 1. We cannot use macro's to put iton. 2. WHY?



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Seth_Ruedo
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:28 pm
#269


I think it was previously reported, but I also have a Ubese Shirt that should not be 0/XXX condition and is showing up Red, but equipable?



Don’t know if this is a bug or just some new decay feature

KJFett
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:30 pm
#270

Did you mayor setup a 10% sales tax? You are seeing a 10% increase in your item price...this is common if the mayor has sales tax in place. You may be looking at a player city issue, not a vendor issue.



Anika Mon'Sulu
mikedealer
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:32 pm
#271

Ya know, i read everyone is going to quit cause they dont like the changes. Thats obviously a lie, its like people who try and kill themselves and tell other people or botch the job, they do it for attention. People Cry "Oh bounty hunter is broken, im gonna quit!"


If you guys were serious, you would of quit by now c'mon


Look i myself almost have had it with this game, i play on 5-6 accounts (im rich bish, im rick james lol) Anyway Ive experienced it all, Lost houses, lost factories, massive credit loss randomly, etc etc. Am i gonna quit? who knows, i am almost at the point of selling off all my many houses of crap and throwing all the needed stuff into my bank accounts and sitting back for 6months and see what happens.


And to the guy a few pages back who stated "i run a real business and if i treated my customers like this i would be out of business". i 100% agree of course, but this isnt a business, i would compare it to something like an additiction or crack/cocaine or liquor or something. People play cause they like star wars, they like the game interaction, they like roleplaying etc. I would equate SOE to lets for argument sake say a coke dealer, Well The dealer screwed me out of a bottle of coke, but he's the ONLY game in town, what do i do, he's a bad business person but i need my fix. So you go back to the dealer for more, same thing here, we are all gluttons for punishment. Like i had a house go disappear, few million worth of rare resources and a bunch of RIS loot, what did the csr's say "this is a known issue, no item replacements" Yet i still played cause im hooked, what can i say.


Yes Sure people probably cancel their accounts everyday, im sure, but people threatening to cancel accounts and people that have actually canceled their accounts im sure, lays a BIG number gap. if their isnt a large influx of account cancellations, SOE will take that as a job well done or a "acceptable job well done". People will post dozens of threads all over the forums they are gonna quit blah blah, yet i see them bidding on stuff in the trade forums inside a week. not just once or twice, but i would say 15-20 times.


I play cause i like the concept of a massive multiplayer online role playing game but hate all the alternate choices, got bored with each of them very very quick trying to learn all the intricacies of the game and warlocks and wizard spells etc. Yes i am hooked on the game, i like actually roleplaying the game and having fun etc. i tried for a jedi for a long time but now that im stuck with a trandoshan jedi after the new jedi policy/unlock method, yes sure im upset, sure i feel like 100's of hours worth of time has literally been stolen from me, yet im still playing. Sure i feel like i got bent over and got the shaft, but hey what can you do, these guys are the only game in town.


What would be great is if they released a backend for SWG that allowed you to connect to Player Servers, you would still need to authenticate and have a subscription, and the owner would lets say pay $2000 for the software and provide their own servers needed etc. Guess what, i would probably buy one in a second, i got money i dont care about that, i like to have fun and enjoy comradery. The people that paid 5grand for a jedi account on ebay will probably be buying them too. Every month/patch the software would have to be updated by a CD-Rom or something and players couldnt play on the server unless it was patched properly due to a time lock code or something. I dont know, lots of ideas for that whatever..


Good luck all, sorry to hear you have all had bad experiences hear, but im sure ill be seeing you around and if not, have fun playing matrix online or lineage or whatever the Fotm is



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Trynian1
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:33 pm
#272

System does a full scan evertime I log on now after the patch.




Angetenar
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:42 pm
#273

Equipping armor and weapons also has a delay associated with it. This is to prevent combat system exploits that were occurring.


Can somebody tell me what specifc exploit this fixed, since it can't be done now, so that I can way it against the huge nerf?

Message Edited by Angetenar on 06-29-2004 09:44 PM



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