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Thread: IT 6-6: Imperial Crackdown: Some changes made based on In-Test Feedback

RedVenom400
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:42 pm
#261

pwy wrote:

Why should I die if 1,2,3......10000 people jump me because I got a TEF. Why should I pay for another set of buffs. Why should I be forced to run back to the mission I was doing before getting scanned? Why should I go Neutral when I want to be a Rebel? Why must I be forced into that situation to PvP when I am doing PvE that day. I can PvP the next day of I so chose.

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why ? because a game were you couldnt die is made for preschoolers , and because you are a rebel , but if you dont want to die it doesnt make sence to be a rebel does it ? but then again even a npc storm trooper can kill you , so you want to run around being unkilable man ? is that what you are saying ?


you have two choices:

kill nunas whilebuffed (to make sure you dont die )

play "the sims" oh but wait !! dont get "the sims 2" i heard you can die in that one too



Roberto Venomancer Teras Kazi Master Rip
Bounty hunter and Ace Imperial pilot
Regarding jedi nerfs:"All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi"Chancelor palpatine
RedVenom400
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:46 pm
#262

silver wrote:NPC's dont use bugs, hacks and cheats to get the max advantage they can over you.


NPC's dont stand over you, incapping you over and over and over, insulting you and telling you that when he is done with you, your mother is next.


I play these games to enjoy it, not have some PK destroy it, just because he can.


You wana call that cowardice? so be it.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------oh ! so you never got warped by a npc ? or never got incaped by an npc while loading ?


insulting you and calling you mom games is grounds for baning , and wrong , but i learned to live with it , i do pvp for the sport , i never call people names or incap over and over with the exception of cloned commandos that run out to burn you over and over .


so just like pwy , you should be neutral and forget pvp





Roberto Venomancer Teras Kazi Master Rip
Bounty hunter and Ace Imperial pilot
Regarding jedi nerfs:"All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi"Chancelor palpatine
Ghost151
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:46 pm
#263






ColtFA wrote:





Thunderheart wrote:
Contraband is: Rebel Faction Equipment, Spice, Sliced weapons and armor.


Great, so simply carrying a wearable set of composite = NINE more chances to get detected...

That's nice, another reason for players to hate armor.



This is even better since 75% of the players can't even wear a complete set of armor without it being sliced. Armorsmiths are going to be getting screwed with patch as well, they just don't know it yet.

PwyllTwiceborn
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:50 pm
#264

Look RedVenom, I don't want to infringe on your inteligence, but let me slow it down for you.


TH wrote: Remember that one of the main philosophies of this game is if you do not want to play PvP, you do not have to.


I wish to PvP and do faction missions when I choose to. I wish to PvE and do missions when I choose to. If I am out doing PvE missions one day and I happen to be on Dantooine which is heavily populated, has an Imperial Base in which Overt Imperials can run around the planet if they so choose, I get scanned while killing some Pikets, an Imperial sees me, gets the drop on me (or is running with a group of other overt/covert Imperials hunting down scanned people), I am now FORCED into PvP.


Please, can you understand this? I hope that I cleared it up for you.





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RedVenom400
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:52 pm
#265

oh please stop those1 stars are hurting me oh yeah 1 stars cant kill you so its fun right , or are you a player griefing me cause i dont like 1 stars then you are ruining my fun to post so nerf the stars i say!



Roberto Venomancer Teras Kazi Master Rip
Bounty hunter and Ace Imperial pilot
Regarding jedi nerfs:"All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi"Chancelor palpatine
silversaber
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:52 pm
#266






RedVenom400 wrote:

oh ! so you never got warped by a npc ? or never got incaped by an npc while loading ?


insulting you and calling you mom games is grounds for baning , and wrong , but i learned to live with it , i do pvp for the sport , i never call people names or incap over and over with the exception of cloned commandos that run out to burn you over and over .


so just like pwy , you should be neutral and forget pvp








All those things happen because of lag or such.


No malice intended to destroy my gameplay.


Yea, stick to Neutral and forget the whole story and content of the GCW, all of which this game is based on.


Forget about having a valid and meaningful PvE GCW.


Not likely.


I have yet to begin to fight !
RedVenom400
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:53 pm
#267

well let me slow it down to you as well then



you dont carry ilegal stuff = no pvp , is that clear to you ?


unless you use rebel armor , in wich case i feel you





Roberto Venomancer Teras Kazi Master Rip
Bounty hunter and Ace Imperial pilot
Regarding jedi nerfs:"All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi"Chancelor palpatine
PwyllTwiceborn
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:55 pm
#268

RedVenom, there you go telling me how to play again.



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Ngamok - Orc Warrior still in my Orc mother's Womb

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Nyro1
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:55 pm
#269

I don't think JEDI will be scanned at all. If it's anything like the movies. Anyone remember Episode IV?



Obiwan: <waves hand> You don't need to see his identification.


ST: We don't need to see his identification.


Obiwan: These aren't the droids you're looking for.


ST: These aren't the droids we're looking for.


Obiwan: He can go about his business.


ST: You can go about your business.


Obiwan: Move along.


ST: Move along, move along....



PS- Go smugglers!



Nyro (NK)





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silversaber
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:56 pm
#270






RedVenom400 wrote:

well let me slow it down to you as well then



you dont carry ilegal stuff = no pvp , is that clear to you ?


unless you use rebel armor , in wich case i feel you







Dont carry any illegal stuff = significant decreaseincapability , not to mention barring us from some really cool content.


Not acceptable


ideas
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:57 pm
#271


All in all, much better than the first proposal, but still not quite balanced. I'm sure it's been said before but here's my assessment:


1. All else being the same, there should be some sort of covert Imperial penalty, even if quite small. The Covert Imperial rule means that Smugglers are not the best, well, smugglers of the game. I imagine most Imps will do enough missions to get the "High Rank" and then go happily on as always. Perhaps when the scanning NPCs salute a high-ranked Covert Imperial, it turns the Imp overt, similar to the rebel penalty except that the NPCs support him instead of attacking him. Allowing Covert Imps to go unmolested is fine because the Rebel players can deal with that if they want to.


2. If ranking covert Imperials truly go without a penalty, then the Rebels should receive some sort of benefit to make it worth playing a Rebel against all the contraband-toting Imperial officers. For example, the ability to go covert at any time, without a recruiter. It would be a very rebel-like ability (travel in dsiguise, then strike from surprise), and it would ensure that there is no clear advantage to one faction's PvP ability, but a choice of two different advantages: Imperials can carry contraband more easily, and rebels get surprise attacks.


3. If neither of the two above possibilities sounds fair, perhaps Covert Rebels should have the option of pretending to be neutral. "Me? No, I'm not a Rebel. I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe." The covert Rebel then pays the fine or faction hit of a neutral, and if their Imperial faction drops too low then they are revealed. But a Rebel who has only ever done delivery missions and has 0 or positiveImperial Faction should be able to pass themselves off as truly neutral.


Any one of these three options would help to keep the sides balanced, and make up for the "free smuggling" ability of Imperial officers. The solution that penalizes one side but not the other (originally penalized Imps too much, now not at all) does not make for a balanced game.








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RedVenom400
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:58 pm
#272

but this game will regardless , what makes you think cause you pay 15 dollars a game system cant set rules on you , so if you like to fly i this game , just cause you pay 15 dollars a month you have the right to ?


this games gives you ways around pvp use them



sorry if i use my bachelors on phsycology and say that you have a problem with authority and just refuse to follow the rules ,



ill stop flaming because this has nothing to do with the original thread and its ruining the porpuse of it


thanks for your well thought out come backs


and have a nice day


going to see some girl ill be right back tomorow





Roberto Venomancer Teras Kazi Master Rip
Bounty hunter and Ace Imperial pilot
Regarding jedi nerfs:"All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi"Chancelor palpatine
RedVenom400
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:59 pm
#273

omg how does not carring ilegal stuff barres you from content if you can explain that one to me



Roberto Venomancer Teras Kazi Master Rip
Bounty hunter and Ace Imperial pilot
Regarding jedi nerfs:"All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi"Chancelor palpatine
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