Development Cycle Archive

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Rikilii wrote:

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Cafa wrote:

Well mate, if I get pulled off for an install overseas at my RL job, yes it is. You see, some of us are not freaking kids and want to enjoy the game too. But I guess that fact is too hard to reiterate over and over again as you didn't see it 3 pages back.

Fivo Asia

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Hey bud, I sympathize with you, but it's really not as bad as some of these "kids" are making it out to be. Read the post carefully...because you might have missed the detail that I also missed on my first read:

"If a vendor goes 14 days without having a new item placed for sale, or an item purchased, then the vendor gets flagged as Unused. If a vendor remains Unused for a 14 days, it becomes in danger of getting deleted. When this happens, the player will be sent an email warning. If the vendor continues to be unused for an additional 14 days, the vendor gets"

Did you miss the part where I said it poofed with the first email?

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Thunderheart wrote:

We aren't going to say.

A Jedi should know patience...

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xwhiskywildcard wrote:

we were told last week that someone up there in charge of this mess actually is reading the forums. i would like to see some sort of reply.. i have never given any grief to a dev i let you do ur jobs... but this IS GETTING LAME. you stated pahses would be every 3 weeks........ we ask hey its been 3 weeks where is our phase 2 ...SILENCE. do you really expect not to lose people over this .. because it is basically false advertisment, i wonder if someone will actually take something like this to a lawyer ... you are making promises in writing that you are not keeeping therefore causing grief of all of your players/customers. END RANT

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Thunderheart wrote:

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snipaho wrote:

Why not answer the question everyone wants to know?

IS PHASE 2 HERE YET?!?!

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We aren't going to say.

A Jedi should know patience...

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Well how about telling me when you're gonna fix structures so I can transfer them without someone having to swap out thousands of items on mall vendors inside them?

Or when your CSRs are actually goingto be able to look at logs, not explain that all logs just suddenly stop for some reason, only to quote things I have done that they are looking at in the log over 2 weeks back.

Or how about when your CSR community with have ONE MANUAL to operate from and not personal opinion?

Or when you're going to post business standards on customer service?

I could think afew others.

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ShineKnuckle wrote:

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Warryyr wrote:

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Cafa wrote:

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GrimBear wrote:

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d0qtrX wrote:

This is utter, complete and total BULLS***.

Why should I be punished by having millions of credits worth of inventory deleted if my vendors have a slow month? Why should I be forced to use the GOD AWFUL interface to pull and re-place an item just so my stuff doesnt get deleted?!?!?!

Go ahead and delete my vendors, and you'll see 3 accounts get cancelled.

...the dev crackdown continues..

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it takes 14 days to be marked as unused

it takes an additional 14 days to be marked as in danger of deletion and an email is sent

it takes another additional 14 days to be deleted

14+14+14 = 42 days ... if you can't be bothered to check your vendor for 42 days ... then theres something wrong. Thats 42 days of availabity to sell goods ... considering items are only on sale for 30 days on a vendor ... it means nothing is up for sale for 12 days before the vendor gets deleted.

This is only a problem where vendor neglect is an issue ... at which point who is to blame? the answer is the owner of the vendor.

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Except it doesnt work quite that way.

My offers vendor, THAT TOOK ME SEVEN HOURS TO GET FROM THE RANDOM CRAP THEY CALL HIRING 4, poofed with the first email.

Fivo Asia

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Similar situation.

I have a Custom Orders vendor in the back room of my shop. I login one day, and run to the back room for droid parts and some resources. No Custom Orders vendor. I was like, **edit** is this? So I check my email. Got an email earlier in the day saying it was unused and I should visit it soon.

The vendor had a Chance Cube on it named something like, "Offer your order backpacks to me for 1k!" and it poofed with the vendor.

Whoopity doo, a Chance Cube. But don't cry to me when it's your 4 million credit order. Because I'm not rerunning it through factories and losing more credits on resources. I lose, you lose.

Oh, and repeatedly selling a Chance Cube on my Custom Orders vendor is SUCH a GRAND addition to my game! Can Merchant get even MORE FUN? PLEEEEASE????

Can you please set vendors to only accept maintenance in 1 credit incremements? How about having to stand next to my vendor, so that I can replace their clothing every 20 seconds which they keep taking off! If your vendor gets naked, you lose EVERYTHING! Now THAT would be the same calibre of fun! What about pyromaniac vendors, who you must douse with water every 3 seconds, or else they may erupt in flames and destroy themselves AND the house they're in?

I'm wondering how long it'll take SOE to devise a way for a chain with a lock on it to appear out of my CD-ROM drive, ensnare me, and force me to spend more time staring at and manipulating their uninspired Merchant profession so that I can DO SOMETHING in this game other than click buttons on an annoying UI that lacks utilitarian functionality.

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I'm just quoting this for emphasis. Also, it's hilarious. A perfect representation of Merchant as it currently stands.

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Also quoted for emphasis.

The truly funny (funny-sad, not funny-haha) part is that all of this is the result of the Devs doing what the "real Merchants" claimed that they wanted, namely making it impossible to run a business without incessantly haggling with/stocking a "real merchant" (and attempting to track sales by checking his vendors yourself so tht you know how much to beg your "real merchant" for in return when the products sell), or just giving up and buying an alt and paying SOE more money.

Comedy gold!

Apart from a few "real Merchants" on the Merchant forum, I don't know anybody else who was interested in having to go to a "real merchant" to sell stuff, particularly in the complete absence of any mechanism for contractual enforcement in SWG. (Perhaps the "real merchants" who got the attention of the Devs on this were deluded enough to think that such a mechanism would eventually be put into the game?)

Moral of the story: When you ask for some lovin' from the devs... be careful, because you might get it good and hard.

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Thunderheart wrote:

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snipaho wrote:

Why not answer the question everyone wants to know?

IS PHASE 2 HERE YET?!?!

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We aren't going to say.

A Jedi should know patience...

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JV311 wrote:

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xwhiskywildcard wrote:

we were told last week that someone up there in charge of this mess actually is reading the forums. i would like to see some sort of reply.. i have never given any grief to a dev i let you do ur jobs... but this IS GETTING LAME. you stated pahses would be every 3 weeks........ we ask hey its been 3 weeks where is our phase 2 ...SILENCE. do you really expect not to lose people over this .. because it is basically false advertisment, i wonder if someone will actually take something like this to a lawyer ... you are making promises in writing that you are not keeeping therefore causing grief of all of your players/customers. END RANT

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umm... if you add 3 weeks from patch day this is last day of phase 2. why dont you wait till tomorow to see if you need to rant and rave

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Balaron wrote:

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Thunderheart wrote:

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snipaho wrote:

Why not answer the question everyone wants to know?

IS PHASE 2 HERE YET?!?!

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We aren't going to say.

A Jedi should know patience...

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hmm, will the "fully-localized" devs in Japan be this elusive? Why not just do the complete Ronald Reagan and say "Phase Change? What Phase Change?"

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DeQuosaek wrote:

For all of the Jedi complaining how hard it is to be a Jedi when you lose XP upon death... Always remember...

"Becoming a Jedi and surviving as a Jedi is very very very very difficultin Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided. You have been warned." - Q-3PO

Notice he didn't say very difficult, or very very difficult, but instead said very very very very difficult. Anyone who wanted to be a Jedi had been warned. I don't know where that message disappeared to, but anyone who has been around a while should have seen it.

Be thankful they removed PERMADEATH, where you lost EVERYTHING when you died. They've made being a Jedi MUCH EASIER.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying being a Jedi is easy at all, but it is not supposed to be.

: "A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind."

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jonyank wrote:

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JV311 wrote:

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xwhiskywildcard wrote:

we were told last week that someone up there in charge of this mess actually is reading the forums. i would like to see some sort of reply.. i have never given any grief to a dev i let you do ur jobs... but this IS GETTING LAME. you stated pahses would be every 3 weeks........ we ask hey its been 3 weeks where is our phase 2 ...SILENCE. do you really expect not to lose people over this .. because it is basically false advertisment, i wonder if someone will actually take something like this to a lawyer ... you are making promises in writing that you are not keeeping therefore causing grief of all of your players/customers. END RANT

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umm... if you add 3 weeks from patch day this is last day of phase 2. why dont you wait till tomorow to see if you need to rant and rave

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If a phase is supposed to last three weeks, that includes the first day.

Therefore, the three week period ended at server shutdown last night.

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Message Edited by JV311 on 09-21-2004 04:17 PM

Message Edited by JV311 on 09-21-2004 04:18 PM