Development Cycle Archive

Off the top, [all] players will continue force development on their existing characters and a new character slot will become available to the player to develop as they choose. A player will only have two slots ever available but they can develop both slots as they wish.

would you please clarify if this means that when the system is changed all players will have two slots or if there is still to be some process to unlock the second character slot?

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p4Samwise wrote:

When will the advanced BE guide get put up?

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Thunderheart wrote:

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wickedHangover wrote:

I understand everyone's frustration in this matter and maybe i'm in the minority of players that are not interested in unlocking (anymore). But the dev's made it pretty clear a long time ago that they will not ever tell us in any way how the slot will be unlocked. Even at the height of holo looting in november/december the dev's kept their mouth shut and danced around the fact that the first jedi would unlock solely from mastering 5 professions. The almost falsely indicated that there waas other routes without actually saying that there were.

If and when TH gives us an update on the new path to jedi, it is bound to be a short paragraph telling us that a major change has been implemented to the methods to unlock your slot, or if I understand correctly, the methods which your current toon will aqcuire force powers. They will never tell us directly that we can still grind to jedi or that we can no longer grind to jedi. If you are that concerned about getting jedi and want to know if you should grind or not grind, then all I can suggest is that you grind out everything you can before the jedi revamp publish (10?).

I really do not think that the new system will be solely based on grinding professions, but it will be a long path.A general concensus of players heredon't think they want new players buying the game and getting jedi accounts within a month. The same consensus does not see nearly the same number of jedi in the game this time next year. So there's probably a good chance that the new path will be hard and many will fail. It will probably require you to complete many tasks that will make you a very well rounded player. Chances are some of the parts of your quest will require mastery of a profession. Possibly even re-mastery.

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This is correct.

Keep in mind that since the two systems are so very different, there isn't going to be an exact translation. We'll make a fair trade off from one system to the other.There ismuch concern, let me be clear:

• If you are a Jedi with 2 slots, you will keep them and still be a Jedi in the new system.


• If you are not a Jedi, and have mastered X number of professions then some level of advancement through the system will be included based on how many professions you completed.

Message Edited by Thunderheart on 04-19-2004 06:45 PM

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DVader539 wrote:

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LLJK_Griz wrote:

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Thunderheart wrote:

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DVader539 wrote:

Here's a real, real, real simple fix for you.

Spraystick is supposed to be Acid damage
Tusken Rifle is supposed to be Kinetic damage
T21 is supposed to be Blast damage

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The correspondents and I have looked at this many times. Sorry, but its not an easy change. Damage types have a relationship to damage and by changing the damage type, it also changes the damage modifiers (numbers) and throws them out of whack. This is something Im checking to see if we can address in the weapon balance part of the larger combat balance, but I don't know what the answer might be. And in any event, concentrating on these minor things before the weapon balance isn't productive. We'll want to look at things when the combat balance is on TC.

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If that is true, then why did the Tusken start off as kinetic and then mysteriously change to another useless energy rifle around publish 4? Why has it taken this many months of weaponsmith and rifleman correspondents complaining before we got ANY response on this?

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First off, thank you TH for a response to this issue. Before you read anything else in my response, please understand I am directing no anger at you, since I know you are only fielding the question, and are not responsible for the error nor ignoring the error.

With that said, LLJK_Griz makes a very valid point. If it's not an easy change, then how did the Tusken Rifle change it's damage type? If it was unintentional, then I'd like to meet the unlucky guy who by-mistake did the complex job of reprogramming it. If it was intentional, then I'd like to meet the doofus who went to all that complex work to screw up a weapon. Or is this a case of "if you had a dozen programmers sitting at a dozen terminals typing randomly, in twelve days they would reprogram a complex variable of this game"? of course that last one was a joke. I hope...

Finally, what bass-ackwards logic made the Dev team make a weapon's stats not variable-entry based? That being, a weapon's code is a string of numbers, each number representing a stat. Like 1=energy damage, 2=heat damage, 3=kinetic damage, etc. Then a seperate function takes certain numbers during a fight and puts them through an equation set to figure out damage and such. If the Dev team made it any more complex than that, then please hire my service of logical thinking. I'll sell you my services at a good price since I'd enjoy making this game better. (p.s. I'm serious.)

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T21 ws only blast for a few days and IMHO it should stay energy cause a blast rifle would be overpowered for the stuff that is sposed to be what commandos are made for taking out.

However the fact that within a week the T21 was changed from Energy to Blast and back to Energy does show just how full of [balogna] old TH is with his responces to us idiots that play this game

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Keldarin wrote:
I just went through the revision history of those weapons [spraystick, tusken rifle] and they have never had those damage [acid, kinetic] types.

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First off, an article from bloodfin.org

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ranged attacks generally do blast damage (unless the weapon is an acid rifle or lightning rifle - i expect some common sense here) ... however there are 2 guns which do kinetic damage - the tusken rifle and the striker pistol

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And then a weaponsmith's guide from swgcraft.com

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Q. What are the damage types for each weapon?
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Heat: EE3 Carbine, E11 Carbine, FWG5 Pistol
Cold: SG82 Rifle
Acid: DXR6 Carbine, DX2 Pistol
Stun: Tangle Pistol, Jawa Ion Rifle
Kinetic: Striker Pistol, Tusken Rifle
Energy: All others

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And finally, the piece of evidence worth a thousand words from swgcener.com
A screenshot of a King Tusken Rifle with kinetic damage!


Proof that the Devs lie and the Tusken was kinetic!

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Thunderheart wrote:

The answer is that it never was kinetic. If it ever was seen that way, it was some sort of odd bug. In the data tables themselves, they've never been listed that way.

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TH,

When will you respond to the pages of angry BE's over the complete lack of promised information(and Dev time) given to the BE Guide. We were told the guide was being given Dev time to ensure a lot of our concerns were answered, and yet the FF was nothing more than a cut and paste of our player written guide and FAQ (typos and doubts about how the scrafting system works are still in the 'guide')

With the knowledge that the BE dev is also leading the Jedi Revamp, I question the amount of time that could have possibly been given to this 'advanced guide'.

So, I'll ask when are we going to get what we told we should expect? Take a look at the BE forum and the replies to the FF and you'll see the number of BEs that have been insulted by this treatment. Its sad when a Master of a crafting class has to rely on luck to know if his product will even be usable.

An angry Master BE.

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Kevm wrote:

TH,

When will you respond to the pages of angry BE's over the complete lack of promised information(and Dev time) given to the BE Guide. We were told the guide was being given Dev time to ensure a lot of our concerns were answered, and yet the FF was nothing more than a cut and paste of our player written guide and FAQ (typos and doubts about how the scrafting system works are still in the 'guide')

With the knowledge that the BE dev is also leading the Jedi Revamp, I question the amount of time that could have possibly been given to this 'advanced guide'.

So, I'll ask when are we going to get what we told we should expect? Take a look at the BE forum and the replies to the FF and you'll see the number of BEs that have been insulted by this treatment. Its sad when a Master of a crafting class has to rely on luck to know if his product will even be usable.

An angry Master BE.

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The BE community is outraged over this "Advanced Guide", and rightfully so.

They have been abused and neglected and allowed to be the locus of non-BE player anger over the borked CL system since publish 5.

The presentation of this "Advanced Guide" that utterly fails to address the single most important issue of BE creatures, the calculation of the Challenge/Difficulty level of the pet, is yet another black eye for SWG's commitment to player communication.

Hey Thunderheart, you know anybody in Austin looking for a web developer? I need a job. Heck, tell Lithium to hire me and I'll fix their forums. They seem to need the help.

Anyhow, it would be mutially beneficial to both of us since I had to cancel my account...no unnecessary expenses...until I can find something.

• Community Member A wrote a guide from countless time spent experimentating in game, and with other player BE's help.


• Community Member A's guides are stickied by the correspondant in the BE forum


• Community Member A asked devs for a guide from the devs that would help clarify questions that they have about the system, and to help avoid "invalid pets"


• Devs respond with promises of "highest priority", and "developer involvement" promises.


• New Friday Feature is published, aside from the intial fluff text and pretty pictures, the actual guide portion (w/formulas and etc.) is the guide written by Community Member A, almost verbatum, even with typos, etc.

So, where is the follow up post from FRIDAY to help calm down all the angry BE's, including myself?

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drezbizkit wrote:

When are you going to respond to the threads and messages about the thing that you call and Advanced Bio-Engineer Guide.

All kinds of promises where made to the BE community on the delivery of a documented guide of the BE crafting process (the most complex crafting system in SWG).

The guide is nice fluff text, then followed up by guides, written by BE community members, who are the main people who wanted a guide. Therefore, basically:

• Community Member A wrote a guide from countless time spent experimentating in game, and with other player BE's help.
• Community Member A's guides are stickied by the correspondant in the BE forum
• Community Member A asked devs for a guide from the devs that would help clarify questions that they have about the system, and to help avoid "invalid pets"
• Devs respond with promises of "highest priority", and "developer involvement" promises.
• New Friday Feature is published, aside from the intial fluff text and pretty pictures, the actual guide portion (w/formulas and etc.) is the guide written by Community Member A, almost verbatum, even with typos, etc.

So, where is the follow up post from FRIDAY to help calm down all the angry BE's, including myself?

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