Development Cycle Archive

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FormlessOne wrote:

So, I'm curious:

• Been playing the game for over a year now.
• Attained Master in at least 2 professions pre-"profession badge"
• Before Christmas, played my tail off attempting to discover how to open the FSCS.
• After Christmas, I reluctantly destroyed my character by joining in the hologrind craze. While I didn't hologrind all 32 professions, I did get to my silent holo (long before the limit was raised from 5 to 8), and went through a dozen professions. It took forever, because I avoided the use of macros and tried to play my way through my professions. I stopped grinding becase, as we were all told, there would now be a quest-based, RPG-style method of attaining a Jedi character.
• Attained over 80 badges, including 2 Corvette badges, the Rebel, Jabba, and Nym theme park badges, 2 of the three story arc badges (I completed the story arc, but missed the first badge), both Warren badges, all 45 POIs, etc.
• I'm "glowy", as the parlance goes in-game (i.e., "You feel an inner glow. The Force is with you.")

And now, here I stand about 1700m south of Mos Entha, attempting to get a random NPC to visit me, not knowing if I'm wasting hours of online time standing in one spot, hoping that after a year of play I'll be rewarded.

So, why is it that roleplayers such as I are being penalized once again while those who ran AFK macros and played the game mechanics, rather than the game, over the last few months to grind all 32 professions suddenly go to the head of the line? Do you know how frustrating it is to listen to someone who spent three months "playing" (I use the term loosely, as grinding 32 professions in three months isn't "playing", it's just exercising a user interface) complain because they unlocked, but they haven't yet been visited today? At least the hologrinder is "guaranteed" a visit. As far as I know, I could be visited before I finish typing this sentence, or before the next server reset, or before the end of the week, or before the next Ice Age. I have no clue what "group" I'm in, when I'm going to be "allowed" to seek the Force, or even if it's friggin' worth it!

Why, oh why, did you once again cater to the short-attention-span crowd? Did you figure that "hey, if they haven't quit by now, they'll never quit?"

Message Edited by FormlessOne on 08-31-2004 10:44 PM

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I love how you people who were not capable of achieving jedi in the old system always refer to those of us who did, as AFK macroers. As if it diminishes what we accomplished. As "EASY" as you make it sound to AFK Macro, there are still plenty, in fact, at least half, of the professions that can not be aided by AFK macros. The scout professions, Scout, Ranger, Squad Leader, Bounty Hunter, Bio Engineer, Creature Handler. The combat professions Commando, Marksman, Rifleman, Carbineer, Pistoleer, Smuggler, Brawler, Pikeman, Fencer, Swordsman, Teras Kasi. That's about 17 professions out of 32. If it was so "EASY" to AFK macro, then why didn't you do it? Don't come back with "I wanted to preserve the integrity of the game" crap... Also, I would put money down on the fact that most, if not all, artisans, doctors, entertainers out there who didn't grind Jedi, still used AFK macros to Master their profession. I'm sure you did as well... So, let's drop the spoiled, "I'm entitled" act and deal with the fact that you didn't grind jedi because you were obviously not interested in doing what it took. I respect your decision not to grind out jedi but don't come back asking for something that you're not worthy of.

I'm a post 9 unlocker. Grinding 31 professions was NOT easy. I figure it took me around 1600 hours(that's a conservative estimate) of AT KEYBOARD PLAY, and probably another 300 AFK night time hours. 1600 hours... Perhaps you put in that much time as well but I tell you what, I don't consider that easy. It's been a 8 month long obsession. But guess what? I had fun doing it. There were a few professions that I absolutely HATED grinding. Musician and Dancer almost made me quit the grind. Also, during that time, I generally kept each profession for a while. I really liked smuggler so I kept it for over a month, sold about 130million worth of faction and sliced armor and weapons in the starport. Had my own line of Muon and Pixie etc... I made colonel in the imperial ranks and earned enough faction for an AT-ST, ST armor, faction furniture etc... I accomplished 104 badges before it was "cool" or required to do so by this latest patch. I also had to fund myself so I learned how to keep a bank account all while constantly spending during the grind. Each combat profession cost me about 2 million(armor, weapons, buffs, food). Each artisan profession cost about 2 million as well(for resources, factories, etc...). Probably near 40 million all told. Last but not least, I made time to play with my guild doing things like Krayt hunts, Corvette runs, harvest parties, PVP, etc...

So, your attempt to paint grinders in a negative light is offensive to me. I wanted to be a jedi. I was told what it would take to become Jedi. I decided I would go for it, and I made it, (barely). You, and those like you, on the other hand, did not. That was your choice. Incidentaly, I was on last night for 6.5 hours after work, waiting for the "old man". Guess what? He didn't show. You don't see me biatching or whining. I'll try again tonight to see what happens. Perhaps one thing I've learned from all my grinding is a little patience... You could use some of that... It's not a race, it's a game... Enjoy it...

Message Edited by Hoavomo on 09-01-2004 08:22 AM

Message Edited by Dampear on 09-03-2004 01:27 AM

Several problems I've noted since this morning.

1. Can't survey or sample
2. The /logout command does not work
3. On Corbantis the only NPC cities that show up on the map are Wayfar and Mos Entha. Several PC cities show, it looks like only the ones at Metropolis level

I did not have these problems yesterday after the patch, it seems like something happened after the morning server reboot.

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Tricki wrote:

First appears to be related to use of Halva.

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You may be on to something there. I did not use havla and have been able to heal without a problem

I hate to burst your bubble, but spending hours at the keyboard should not be considerd tough. Yeah, it took along time to grind all those professions. I never did it. Not because I wanted to protect the integrety of anything, but because I heard that there was a new quest based system comming out that I would be able to use to become a Jedi. I enjoy roleplaying. This is a roleplaying game. I wanted to roleplay becomming a Jedi. You wanted to become a Jedi for some other reason. Great. When the devs announced that they were changing the system to eliminate hologrinding and asked all the players to "just play the game" I did. Now Im being punished and left out in the dark again. Thanks. You say its offensive to paint hologrinders in a negative light? Well guess what buddy, the devs did that for us. Thats why they changed the system. They came straight out and said that hologrinders were ruining their game. Thats right son. They were talking about you. They changed the system because of people just like you. There is nothing you can say to dispute that fact. Why? Pub 10 is why! Get used to being the bad guy. Im insulted at the fact that you cant seem to understand what you and people like you have done to this game. I understand that you were just "Playing the system the devs put in place." Well, the devs acknowledged that the system was wrong and changed it. Now you need to admit that same fact and stop whinning about being treated negatively. You got your unlock. Be happy! All I want is my fair chance. I did what was asked of me and now what? More waiting!! Great!!

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You'll get your fair chance... After me. Which is fair.

As for grinders ruining the game, I think you're a bit confused... The developers created this system, not the grinders. It's what they intended. The result was not planned for however. They didn't plan ahead quite far enough to foresee the negative impact it would have on the actual RPG aspect of the game. I admit it ruined much of the gameplay.

Spending hours in front of a keyboard IS tough... That's why you didn't do it and that's why there are so few who did. You're weak and want to hide it based on principal. That's, in itself is weak, not to mention lame... You are right about one thing though. It's time I get over those of you who paint grinders in a nagitive light. I should just realize they're all jealous and the anger they express isn't towards me personally, it's an externalization of the anger they feel towards themselves for not putting in the time so they could actually be first in line for the quests. Good luck on your wait... I hear it's gonna be a long while for folks like you... hehe... rofl...