Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Friday Feature Jan 23rd Jedi Revamp
BigSteve03
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:07 pm
#222
*wonders if anyone else notices the pattern of posts by people with "Master Bounty Hunter" in their sig*
kealsidius
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:09 pm
#223
my god... do the dev's realize what they have done?! i can see 3 months from now there will be multiple jedi councils on.... this is turning into the clone wars... jedi will be everywhere... they wont be afraid of dying if they lose just one measly skill box, please, thats pathetic. the old system was much better, whine if you want since thats what all the jedi did any way (and got what they wanted)... the old system there were already numerous people close to jedi master with this system im afraid most will make it to master without any kind of hassle what so ever.. taking out permadeath was the single worst idea the devs ever came up with...
go ahead and flame me now, i really dont care, i wont be coming back to this thread any time soon.
go ahead and flame me now, i really dont care, i wont be coming back to this thread any time soon.
Tsukara
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:09 pm
#224
Great Job !!! Now we'll have a (what is it now 300,000) Jedi subscribers. This will be great, it will have absolutely no semblance to any of the Star Wars Movies. Except for the names.
Does anyone EVER remember seeing more than a handful of Jedi in the movies at any time?
I thought the initial intent was to make Jedi a small percentage of the population.
Way to go DEVS and SOE Team ... you should drive alot of players to your other games ... as this one will become JEDI Galaxies ... an Empire of satisfied Whiners.
ITOAO
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:10 pm
#225
I am not a jedi so perhaps it isnt my place to speak on this. However i think this will ruin the game. Everyone will want to be a jedi. Please do not make it too easy to become one. This seems ridiculous. If i wanted to be a jedi in a few days then i would play KOTOR or the horrible jedi academy. I think this may be a mistake. I was actually taking the slow way to jedi. Not grinding at all. If the system goes into the game i don't know if i will want to continue to play. I hope this gets some considerable thought before it goes live.
Yerris_Oaga
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:19 pm
#226
hey did it not occur to anyone that some people might not even want to play a jedi charector?? alot of people i have spoke to have not much interest in even playin a jedi charector
I personaly aint a jedi, i enjoy my plain old artisan and my bounty hunter classes, sure ill give the jedi class a quick go like i have every other class....
People will getbored if there is a vast quantity of jedi and the hardcore originaljedi will stay put where as the other noob jed's will die out quick....
so i say stop your moaning if the system doesnt workand it ruins the game then people will leave and then SOEwill have tosort it out wont they! if the **edit** hits the fan, there will always be someone to clean it up 
tonnou
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:20 pm
#227
I'm so sad about it that I think about cancelling account.
Changing the way to get FS unlocked is a good idea, afk-macro-holo-grinders are hatable, and the idea about quests is a good idea.
But the end of permadeath will provoc the end of swg as I expect it.
"Jedis will be difficult to play, and it will be difficult to become a jedi."
So you forgot what you, devs, told to us a few months ago ? I'm sad about it.
You forgot that, at this time (around episode 5), jedis are VERY rare ?
It should be so interesting to have 50 jedis / server (not more). They could have real roles in the gcw , and not "wah wah wah I'm jedi I rule..."
What about those BH missions ? WHY THE HELL DONT YOU DEBUG IT ?
It's the only way to regulate the number of jedis on servers.
I'm really thinking about cancelling account, I really thought I was not playing KOTOR.
mahz
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:21 pm
#228
ahhh hell no. You mean I mastered holo professions for nothing?!??!?!? I've spent countless hours working this path and I still haven't unlocked it. If I don't get it before this patch goes through I think i'll quit. What kind of BS is this? Spend time since day one trying to unlock the slot then when im close they change the way to do it?
/mutter
RohmEnari
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:22 pm
#229
Hey, here is an idea. how about...you REMOVE jedi from the game. Seeing as how you (the Devs) have already ruined this timeline by allowing jedi to be plentiful and powerful and by rewarding power gamers as opposed to those who have been holding onto their chosen profession in the hopes that some glimmer of light may shine on it.
I will point out that you have other professions in this game other than jedi and for some reason you feel the need to push the jedi above all else. Why? To appease those who want to slaughter and kill things with their lightsaber. Hmmm. Think that might be against what Lucas established already in his universe. You have had it pointed out that the power gamer method of gaining your FSCS is lame beyond all belief and while those players should be rewarded, it should not be in the way you currently reward them. You are taking an element from that universe and twisting it into something it should not be. I hope and pray that Lucas decides to step in one day and see that is going on with this game. I think it might go something like this.
Lucas: Hey there Koster, how goes Star Wars Galaxies?
Koster: Great Mr. Lucas. Would you like to log in and have a go?
Lucas: Well, I need to get back to coaching Hayden Christiansen on how to pull of a decent fight scene and then make him give an absolutely wooden performance, but sure...I can spare a few.
They proceed to log in and Lucas creates himself a character and drops down right in Coronet.
Lucas: Uhmm, Koster...why is everything moving in slow motion?
Koster: Uhmm, that uhh, uhmmm...thats a jedi skill you are using right now! Yeah, thats the jedi speed at work. see everyone else is moving slow, but you are moving fast. Yeah thats it.
Lucas: ....but I am moving slow too.
Koster: Nevermind that. Lets go explore.
Along the way, they come across a group of Rebels.
Lucas: (to rebel player character) Greetings fellow rebels.
Rebel PC: U R not reb. We got Imps 2 kill. WOOT!!!!
Lucas: ....was that english?
Continuing on, they come across a lone Player character out in the wilderness.
Lone PC: Hey there! Wanna duel? I just made jedi! It took me awhile. I ground out Artisan, Droid Engineer, Ranger, Pistoleer, Bounty Hunter, Armorsmith, Architect, Chef, Pikeman, Teras Kasi, Medic, Doctor, Weaponsmith, Dancer, Tailor, Commando, Fencer, Squad Leader, Creature Handler, Merchant, and Carbineer. And now I am finally a jedi. I can't wait to go kill some stuff with this lightsaber. So anyway, lets duel.
Lucas:.........what? What the HELL does all that have to do with being a JEDI Koster?!!!
Lone PC: So you gonna duel me or not? I wanna try this lightsaber out on someone! I was the last person in my guild of 30 people to get jedi and now we are gonna go run around and destroy everything because WE CAN!!!
Lucas: Koster....this is the type of people that are jedi in this game? Murderous thugs who have no idea of what being a jedi is all about? THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU ARE REWARDING?!!! And what is this crap about himhaving to "grind" out all these professions?
Koster: Well, you see Mr. Lucas, people only want to play Jedi because just about every other profession in this game is broken.
Lucas: Well FIX THEM you moron!!!
Koster: Yes sir.
Lucas: And did he say that their are 30 other people in his guild alone who are jedi? What's the deal with that? I thought this game was set after A New Hope.
Koster: Well, it is sir.
Lucas: Then WHY are their so many Jedi running around? Have you actually seen my movies or read any of the books by chance? The Jedi are FEW AND FAR BETWEEN in this time. What is the matter with you? You have taken my creation and warped it into something it was never supposed to be.
Koster: But sir, we are making 4 million per month off of these players, whose sole reason for playing is to be a jedi.
Lucas: ......really? You dont say. Hmmmm...........carry on.
Now for all those who read this, I am sure there will be those who enjoy it and those who dont. That is inevitable. I am not gonna get into any flame wars so if you wanna flame me for this, well in the words of the Human Torch, "Flame on." I think what this all comes down to is, they are making money off this game. If the majority of players want to run around as jedi, then more power to ya. I just ask that for those who dont want to grind out something that shouldn't be have to be earned in that way, the devs give those who have been faithful to their chosen professions a little bit of attention. I am a ranger and our correspondent has put together a very well organized proposal to liven up the ranger profession. To any who have not checked this out already, go read the post about the Outdoorsman. Well, I guess my rant is over. Nothing I say here will matter in the least to those who want their pockets lined with cash anyway, so I will just shut up now.
Cholula999
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:25 pm
#230
Ok the holo thing i toguh it was anice touch but now you have made ghost towns out of this game. But now more than half of the people on my server ALONE its grinding to be a jedi. Removing the PD is a bad bad bad idea you have a game with everyone will run aroudn with a glow stick in their hand. You all said since way way back in beta they wehre going to be PD even in your interviews with all the game reporters you said the same. So in other words you lie to us your public? Why why the change now?
Just because a bunch of kids wants to be a Jedi and dont loose their hard grind? They aint loosing their FS fix their bugs and their problems with the system is a good idea to start with but not removing their PD. Honest guys you going to loose this game and its time line wich i toguh you all wanted.
anwaerter
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:26 pm
#231
thx devs...now i want to play my jedi...now i can play my jedi, there is still much work to do...its just a first step..anyway..thank you !!!!!
and to all guys who wanna cancel..especially most of the bh pussies at the JEDI Board...
Goodbye..thx for playing with us...
EnSab
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:30 pm
#232
Q-3PO stated: The second phase will be to rebuild the Jedi system to be quest-oriented; and toinclude the familiar elements of Force Sensitivity, Jedi-oriented quests, as well as many other elements the developers and the community feel should make up the process of becoming a Jedi.
From this statement, I think we should assume the current method of opening your force-sensitive slot is not being changed. The system of going from a padawan to Jedi is being changed. Your not a Jedi just by opening your force slot. Your a to-be jedi.
KzinKiller
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:32 pm
#233
From this statement, I think we should assume the current method of opening your force-sensitive slot is not being changed.
We can't assume anything ... we got a vague statement that caused dozens of people to request clarification, and no clarification has been forthcoming.
At this point, we know nothing ... and fear everything, based on recent patterns.
One-of-Fourteen
Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:35 pm
#234
Q, TH, or any other developer that can answer, Please clarify if the profession mastering requirements for opening your FSCS is changing, or if this quest orientation only applies to the force sensitive character development after the FSCS is opened.
I really don't want to continue grinding professions if it will not work once i get there, and I really don't want to have to jump through some other hoops after jumping through the hoops that I have already jumped through.
Thanks in advance for your answer!