Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Publish 10 ... holocredit for unlockers.
Talonsin
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:33 am
#209
For those of us who have not unlocked here is my opinion...
1 branch unlocked for each holo profession mastered
1 box filled for each profession mastered or (300k jedi XP each)
Sure those that grinded more professions get more of a reward but they also did more work. If you decided not to grind and just play and have fun then play and have fun getting your jedi XP. Why should those that worked to grind for months not get more of a reward than those that didnt? People continued to grind in order to benefit and they should.
I didnt grind that many professions, I grinded a few (20) but I played for the most part and I would be happy if something like this went in. If SOE just gave everyone the FS XP with no regard for the effort put into it then jedi would be worthless. It has been proven many times that when someone gives you something for nothing you have little value for it compared to being given something you earned.
Xeneral
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:36 am
#210
For Holocredit for unlockers, I don’t think completing the force sensitive requirements to reach Padawn should be easy, but at the same time, I think it should be easier and quicker for those who have played the game, made use of its content and mastered professions.
I think any solution needs to be based on these precepts:
1. Long time players should be rewarded more than those who just started.
2. Players should be rewarded for making use of the content in the game.
3. Players should be encouraged to interact with others, but shouldn;t be prohibited from completing their requirements if they play solo.
4. Players should have to work to complete their force sensitive experience requirements.
Based on these precepts I think any solution should include the following (keep in mind that it takes at a minimum 7,450,000 force sensitive experience points to advance to the Padawan trials):
1. A graduated force sensitive experience reward based upon the number of professions currently mastered. The more professions mastered the higher the reward per profession. The idea of simply giving skill boxes per number of profs completed doesn’t work as the amount of force sensitive experience required as you advance in a tree increases.
2. Force sensitive experience rewards for making use of the content in the game – based on badges received for the Warren, Corvette, Hero, Deadeye, racetracks, etc.
3. Free skill branch unlocks (the ability to train a tree even if the quest for that tree hasn’t been completed – the user should still be able to do the quests if they like) based upon the amount of time the SOE account has been active.
4. Players should still have to convert their skill experience to force sensitive experience and continue to work in their profession to get the remaining expereince needed, even with the above rewards, but the conversion rate for regular experience to force sensitive experience should be reduced – either back to the original 10:1, 1:1 or slightly higher, say 15:1, 2:1. The current 30:1, 3:1 for combat professions is too much.
I think any solution needs to be based on these precepts:
1. Long time players should be rewarded more than those who just started.
2. Players should be rewarded for making use of the content in the game.
3. Players should be encouraged to interact with others, but shouldn;t be prohibited from completing their requirements if they play solo.
4. Players should have to work to complete their force sensitive experience requirements.
Based on these precepts I think any solution should include the following (keep in mind that it takes at a minimum 7,450,000 force sensitive experience points to advance to the Padawan trials):
1. A graduated force sensitive experience reward based upon the number of professions currently mastered. The more professions mastered the higher the reward per profession. The idea of simply giving skill boxes per number of profs completed doesn’t work as the amount of force sensitive experience required as you advance in a tree increases.
2. Force sensitive experience rewards for making use of the content in the game – based on badges received for the Warren, Corvette, Hero, Deadeye, racetracks, etc.
3. Free skill branch unlocks (the ability to train a tree even if the quest for that tree hasn’t been completed – the user should still be able to do the quests if they like) based upon the amount of time the SOE account has been active.
4. Players should still have to convert their skill experience to force sensitive experience and continue to work in their profession to get the remaining expereince needed, even with the above rewards, but the conversion rate for regular experience to force sensitive experience should be reduced – either back to the original 10:1, 1:1 or slightly higher, say 15:1, 2:1. The current 30:1, 3:1 for combat professions is too much.
Implementing these ideas would reward players who have grinded professions as well as those who played the game and made use of the content. It would also reward long term players, especially those who mastered professions when it was much more difficult to do so, with the ability to move throught the force tress quicker.
Zzorg
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:37 am
#211
The question in my mind is not that we get this stuff .. i believe in good faith that we will...
JustG wrote:
Based on some detailed conversations with the Correspondents, as well as your feedback, we have already implemented some changes on TC & TC2 for the credit you receive if you unlocked.
As you know, those that have unlocked between publish 9 & 10 will be given all 6 Force Sensitive branches that they need to proceed to Padawan.
Now, based on our interactions with the community, you will also be given the experience necessary to purchase all four boxes in each branch.
So: Intro Quest, Exit Quest, and on to Padawan. You can still do the Force Sensitive quests if you desire to gain their specific rewards.
We will announce the proportional credit for those who have not unlocked soon. It will be fair as well.
Thanks,
- g
It is:
Say I have 3 free unlocks...
By that outline here I get those 3 unlocks and enough FS EXP to buy the trees in those 3 branches. Ok, Kool !
I already used the 3 free unlocks on the skills I felt i needed most and have since ground my butt off channeling EXP into buying 5 of the 12 boxes that will be granted by this new system.
I put this to you all ..
PLEASE make the EXP grants awarded for the free unlocks aggrogate.
i.e. not tied to the exact branches that were choosen as free unlocks.
As it is now every box in FS requires the same amount of EXP for a buy
175-250-350-450 ( I think it is ... )
Therefore, for a player like me that has 3 free unlocks, grant those and the equivilant of 3 branches worth of EXP to use as we deem necessary.
thanks
Rred Green
PlayeroftheDay
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:40 am
#212
JustG wrote:
cbill3 wrote:
I like the idea of what you are doing Devs, just wish something would come out officalliy for those peeps that haven't unlocked yet on thier silent holo prof. I can't ask for to much, so this is good. If a DEV can respond and let us know, that's be great.
Peace to the Rebellion and to the Empire...nay, kill the Empire
We will come out with more info, and it will be fair.
But why not stop the grind right now? Just play! You are going to make it soon enough anyway, and the village is very fun!
JustG-
A quick message from a "fanboi" (at least that's how I'm labeled, I don't really see it myself)the level of communication youguys have been providing is more than adequate. I, and perhaps some others, are happy with the work the Devs are doing.
As for the exp reqs for FS and Jedi, it's perfect. Make it difficult, everyone wants a Jedi overnight (ok, ok not everyone) but many do and I like the approach of making it this difficult. Now, go back to your cave and don't come out until Pub 10 is finished!
Message Edited by PlayeroftheDay on 08-25-2004 09:46 AM
rj00789
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:40 am
#213
WOW,
This IS great news, it just makes me realize ,however, the fact that before this change, you were planning on NOT giving post 9 unlockers the brances and XP!!! That seems incredible to me, I knew that those that had yet to unlock would be in bad shape, but I had no idea you WERE going to **** the ones that had unlocked as well!!! Wise choice to make that change, although it shouldn't have taken consultations with anyone to make that call! OK, enough of that, its beenadjusted and we're moving on.
Now , for my two creds on Jedi's in general. Not having been one I cannot speak from experience, however I am hoping that at some point in the VERY near future it can be balanced and fun to play! I wanna RP a Jedi, I do NOT want to have to have the same template as every other Jedi in the universe just to survive. I wouldLIKE to be able to still participate in the game with my firends to some degree! I wanna be usefull in a dungeon, and be able to handle myself one on one with your average BH. I DONT want to have to mindlessly grind some low-end mob solo to advance only to find out I'm still useless at PVE with non-jedi. Please try to address the Issues the current Jedi are bringing forth so that this game can be all it can/should be!
Peyote, Flurry (one of these days I'm gonna have to make a sig! 
)
)
Dmarty24
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:40 am
#214
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AndCSR still full of it and so are most people in here cheering them on.
I think that ANYONE who currently has a Jedi Account should just shut thiermouths and stay out of this topic.
Anyone who has not wanted togo for Jedi and is NOT planning on it, once again, shut up and stay out of it.
Ya, I STILLMAD...
32 Professions and you jerks still gonna say that I not get my Padawan BUT STILL GOT TO DO MORE QUEST AND GRINDING TO UNLOCK?
LIARS!
BS!
And totaly unfair any way you look at it.
Oh, basicaly, the only people that got a right to say something are the ones that HAVE unlocked in Pub 9 or has done ALL 32 Professions with a Unlock in Pub 9...............
Rest.. well.......
Cya around
By the way CSR.... if ya gonna bann me from this forum for this post in here... then maybe you should not of LIED.
I have said what I got to say... gonna go back to the game and hope this subject and the lies is just a bad dream.......
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You are either very dumb or don't know how to read. You don't have to do the quests and you start out as a Pawdawn. I think u need to slap yourself and wake up.
Eded
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:03 am
#215
No, according to the Post, UNLOCKERS still need to do the INTRO and EXIT QUEST.....
At least that sure seem what it says on the first page.
So,a personwould not be Padawan and would still have to Grind/quest.
Wake up yourself before you comment. lol
DarkMurad
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:05 am
#216
Looks like the people who unlocked between pubs 9 and 10 finally get some love. This is good news. But still no word on the status of the primary chars of those who unlocked pre pub9. Will we have access to the village.. will we have any credit?.. or will we be evaluated for FS status just like any other char. Will the credit system be able to tell between us and somebody who unlocked post pub9, or are we going to get 6 FS skill lines, whether the Devs intended it or not??? Just a few questions I would like to see answered.
Thanks, good job on the new system. The village is very cool
Thanks, good job on the new system. The village is very cool
OotNerado
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:09 am
#217
That is highly HIGHLY unlikely. What have the pre-Publish 9 unlockers done to deserve another Jedi character? If they want to make their main Jedi, they'll have to get visited by the old man and complete the quests just like everybody else. "But my main has mastered 23 professions and unlocked, can't he use those 23 profs to get free branch unlocks on his own character?" Well, that's something that the developers will have to think about. I would think the fair resolution would be to reset the "free branch unlocks" for the main character of an account with an pre-P9 FSCS so that they'll have to do all the quests. They've already effectively cashed in those free branch unlocks on their current Jedi.
Exterminans77 wrote:
Ok , what about those who already unlocked before publish 9, the current Jedi? Will their main toon now be force sensitive and have the 6 branches and the xp to train all 4 boxes in each branch?
Cypher073
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:10 am
#218
TGIFWknight wrote:So, basicaly behind all the BS and Lie's, if you unlocked in Patch 9, you get the Shaft!You see, it took me all 32 Professions to unlock and my last profession was Merchant, which I started like 3 dang days before patch 9.Now, being led to believe thru-out all your Dev's BS >PRE_9 Patch and all, that if I unlocked during this patch, I WOULD GET MY PADAWAN when patch 10 came out. But, as it seems,>LIARS>> Big Fat ars LiarsTAKE YOUR QUEST AND CRAM THEM > RIP OFF AND LIARS.I done did my dang share in this game and ALL 32 Professions = MORE than enough to be Jedi..so,, you Dev's can take it to Heart from someone that not care about all ya kissing up and all that, You a Bunch a damn liars. GIVE ME MY DAMN JEDI..And this coming from a guy that Owns' 4 accounts? YUP! Jedi or cram your game.No of course that you made me mad enough to tell you what I think, enjoy it.
I don't understand what you're so upset about, frankly. What shaft are you getting? They already said that if you unlocked, which you did, that you'll get your 6 trees unlocked *AND* filled. Who cares if you have to do an intro quest and an exit quest. At least you don't have to grind through millions of experience filling boxes to be a Jedi. You, essentially, start off as a Jedi.
And yes, I'm in the same position as you -- I did all 32 professions to unlock. Do I feel slighted? Not at all because I'm getting the Jedi I was promised.
And on top of that, I'm actually in *favor* of having my main be my Jedi. I don't have a template, for one -- the profession grind made sure of that. I'll move around some things to make my character more suited to working through the jedi boxes, no big deal. But really, what it comes down to is being able to relate to my character. Since I purchased the game a year ago, I've had one character. I created this character then, and frankly, if I'm going to play a Jedi, I want to play it with the character I know, am happy with, and more importantly, can relate to. I'm sure I'll get some use out of the second character slot, but, to me, that toon will never be the same as the one I play now. It will be a utility -- something to support my Jedi and my brother's master doc. I want my Jedi to be something I'm really into, and that can only happen with my main.
Cypher073
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:13 am
#219
MathiusStonehammer wrote:So: Intro Quest, Exit Quest, and on to Padawan. You can still do the Force Sensitive quests if you desire to gain their specific rewards.
So when i log in Tueday i still have to do a couple quests? (Yes, i did unlock post pub 9)
woolie (the savage beast)
Is that so bad? At least you don't have to grind anymore just to get Jedi.
Cypher073
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:17 am
#220
Orean wrote:Has anyone heard how someone unlocks their second character slot? Is it by unlocking Jedi or doing all the FS quests or what?
My assumption, since supposedly the 2nd slot starts out as a completely normal character, is to do what any newly created, post-10 character must do. Get badges or whatever to get sensitive to the Force, get the elderly man to visit, and do the Village time-sink. I'm assuming that's what's meant by the second slot being completely ordinary.
No-Ni
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:20 am
#221
Dmarty24 wrote:__________________________________________________________________________And CSR still full of it and so are most people in here cheering them on.I think that ANYONE who currently has a Jedi Account should just shut thier mouths and stay out of this topic.Anyone who has not wanted to go for Jedi and is NOT planning on it, once again, shut up and stay out of it.Ya, I STILL MAD...32 Professions and you jerks still gonna say that I not get my Padawan BUT STILL GOT TO DO MORE QUEST AND GRINDING TO UNLOCK?LIARS!BS!And totaly unfair any way you look at it.Oh, basicaly, the only people that got a right to say something are the ones that HAVE unlocked in Pub 9 or has done ALL 32 Professions with a Unlock in Pub 9...............Rest.. well.......Cya aroundBy the way CSR.... if ya gonna bann me from this forum for this post in here... then maybe you should not of LIED.I have said what I got to say... gonna go back to the game and hope this subject and the lies is just a bad dream.......______________________________________________________________________________You are either very dumb or don't know how to read. You don't have to do the quests and you start out as a Pawdawn. I think u need to slap yourself and wake up.
Actually, if you read the original post by JustG, it indicates otherwise... I read it much like this guy did. According to this post, you're gonna have to do an intro quest, an exit quest, and then onto Padawan which I understand requires the Padawan trials?. I don't know much about what this really means but it seems to mean that you may end up being gated, waiting for the ability to do these quests before you are able to do the Padawan trials? Could take a few months of waiting????
Can someone shed some light on this for us Post9 Unlockers?
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Based on some detailed conversations with the Correspondents, as well as your feedback, we have already implemented some changes on TC & TC2 for the credit you receive if you unlocked.
As you know, those that have unlocked between publish 9 & 10 will be given all 6 Force Sensitive branches that they need to proceed to Padawan.
Now, based on our interactions with the community, you will also be given the experience necessary to purchase all four boxes in each branch.
So: Intro Quest, Exit Quest, and on to Padawan. You can still do the Force Sensitive quests if you desire to gain their specific rewards.
We will announce the proportional credit for those who have not unlocked soon. It will be fair as well.
Thanks,
- g
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