Development Cycle Archive

Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever

NinjaPizzaBoy
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:18 pm
#2055






JSpeedFreak wrote:
Well my final thoughts before the weekend is over is that this is indeed a defining moment for SOE management. We listen to you, we read your announcements, we play your product, you take our money. This is a black and white issue like no other. If management does listen to the dedicated player base, then they will make an announcement correcting this error, pushing JTLS off and doing the combat revamp first.

If they don't choose to do this and continue on the announced path, then this is a message which we hear you LOUD and CLEAR, which your actions are telling us: WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PLAYER BASE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, END OF STORY, DON'T BOTHER US.

Is anyone in agreement?

Ofonn

Message Edited by JSpeedFreak on 07-18-2004 10:03 PM






I expect to hear something tomorrow. The community has never come together like thisin such opposition to a development decision in the history of Star Wars Galaxies. I hope the developers and the Sony Online Entertainment staff understand that this is the defining moment for Star Wars Galaxies.


We will watch and see how the battle ends. I am not sure what they will decide to do. I am sure that that we, people whom have never met and only know of each other as players of the same game, have decided the right course for this game.


Let us see if development choose the right course as well.

DarthBrundleFLY
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:21 pm
#2056



lol I think you just proved yourself wrong with this rather illogical statement. The devs made it seem like space would be part of the initial release in the early days (whether by "saying" or "promoting" ... where's the difference anyway?). The players had every right to assume that this was indeed going to be the case.


My point: It was wrong of you to attack the original poster and to totally deny the "fact" ("fact" as in information that was available back then)that space was originally supposed to be a part of the core game. Here's another quote (from the E3 2001 awards):


Best PC Game
Star Wars Galaxies (Sony Online Entertainment/LucasArts)
Far from the cacophony of the show floor, a small and non-descript 15x20 foot room hosted what was one of the most talked-about demos at the show: Star Wars Galaxies. Going into the room, most journalists were only mildly enthused by the idea of LucasArts building a persistent-state Star Wars universe. But coming out of the demo, journalists couldn't stop talking about Star Wars Galaxies…for days on end. LucasArts, in partnership with Sony Online, the creators of EverQuest, revealed a game that is epic in scope, rich in potential, and simply breathtaking to look at. Set across a span of time that encompasses all the Star Wars movies, the game will have 8 playable species and just about anything else you can think of. For instance, the brief demo included a photo-realistic C-3PO walking along the Tatooine desert, not to mention a complete space combat component that puts X-Wing to shame. While Galaxies is admittedly early in development, it only took 15 minutes in that small room to convince our judges that the force is back with LucasArts


What right did the player base have to "assume" anything the game wasn't even in beta then and if you actually watched the video you would see its not the game we are playing now. That version was running on a geforce 3 (the top of the line card of the day) with the settings maxed out, try running what we play with that card. It was also stated that the space expansion footage shown of an x-wing flying over a star destroyer would be in fact the 1st expansion of the game. Which brings me to another point of Thunderhearts post that states JTL has been in production since January (though i guess he didnt say what year). So if it has been in production since 2000/2001 why is JTL still in alpha, once again, misinformation or downright lies.


And i didnt attack the original poster, he was wrong as are you..."you" assumed it would be in the game at launch as i guess did the guy I originally posted too....and you know what they say when you ass ume.

Message Edited by DarthBrundleFLY on 07-19-2004 04:22 PM



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Ampere
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:30 pm
#2057

It's so easy. Here's the breakdown:


SOE is not even a % of the company, and if it is, it's very low. You wantjustification foryour existence withPlaystation owning you?


Don't lie to your player base, WE do have a "voice", and it doesn't stop with electronic means. Fix the combat balance as requested, as promised.


www.sony.com Let's have some fun shall we?



_Ghast_
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:37 pm
#2058

My thoughts on SOE making me wait well over a year for the Combat Re-balance and GCW fixes?


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I was taught that if you dont have something nice to say, dont say anything at all.


Honestly, who is making these decisions?

Are they trying to make the worst business decisions ever?

Are they trying to see how fast they run this game into the ground?

Do they really think that no one here can see through their BS?


I've been barely playing for the last 6 months because I was waiting for the Combat/GCW fixes. Now I will have to wait another 6 months? I dont think so SOE....but you get my vote for "game that had the most potential but must have got drunk at a party and ruined its future" award. My account will be dropped soon as well as the account that I pay for my kids.



Ghast
Retired-MBH
Professional Dabbler
Aakhperkare
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:45 pm
#2059

The developers of this game just baffle me.


It's not just because of this delay and being lied to and all that, it's everything. It's incredibly hard to believe that these are some of the people that designed the game from scratch. It's like they are working on a project they know nothing about. Just about every decision or almost every idea they have/make kills the game that much more...
Iodsu
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:46 pm
#2060

Well, I don't normally post much but I thought I'd post my thoughts here.


I've been playing this for well over 1 year now if you include beta 3. Through that time I have been a loyal player, devoting time whenver I could. Yes I had some issues with the imperial faction perks (I still do btw) but it was fun. I left for awhile and came back. What I came back to was a huge mess. Jedis run rampant (something the original dev team was against having), BHs everywhere complain about issues, ID'ers are ridiculed, musicians are just plain boring these days thanks to buffbots (yes I saw the other thread on that but dont like the idea at all and sadly I am a muscian) and PVP is just horrid. With all the high res composite and few strong pvp profs including the dreaded CM and poison PVPis just NOT FUN. Combat itself, which is central to the game despite its other aspect has lots its appeal.


While I understand why the JTL will come out when it does and how you dont want to abandon work, what I have read makes it sound like the Combat Balance will be IGNORED until JTl is done. This just isnt alright with myself and many other members (if not most) of the community. If you have other devs who arent working on JTL, which I'm sure is the case, use them to gather ideas for the CB. Hell, schedule meetings to come up with ideas so that the devs who arent working on JTL can fix the current game. JTL is an expansion, not a replacement. It should be treated as such.


You cant expand a broken game, its like souping up a dead car that just wont run, whats the point? Even if you have made the decision, which it sounds like you have, please consider more options. Once the team gets together again it will be that much longer once they DO meet up before anything real happens. The delays just won't hold people around, possibly including myself again and I for one dont want to see my favorite MMO die. Not at all.


Sorry for the long post, this is the first topic I really felt passionate about in a long time .



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Sanity is madness put to good use.
KDubDanzig
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:59 pm
#2061

In my heart I hope all of this backlash will make the devs change their minds on pushing back the rebalance.


In my mind I know it is pointless. They don't care. They don't care that we are all hurt by this. If they cared about us, then CH and Smuggler would have been fixed way back when. (my god, Smuggler's and CH have been waiting forever for some love)


I will cancel both of my accounts effective at the end of the current billing cycle.


I have paid SOE over $300 to play this game for the last year. I bought 2 copies of SWG which cost me $80 for my Collectors Edition and $50 for my nephew's regular copy.


I have made my commitment (both financially and with my time) and I have done my part, while I feel that I have been continuously let down by the dev team and SOE.

Enough broken promises, enough lies.


No more let downs from you to me.

No more $30 per month from me to you.
Esosnego
Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:00 pm
#2062

Looks like I came back about 6 months too early.

Unsubscribed, again, 7/19/04.
AnguishedAvenge
Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:06 pm
#2063

I have just cancelled my account. if any devs or admins want (they probably cant though) check, go right on ahead, im not bluffing like some of the people claiming they cancelled their accounts are probably doing, simply because they are in a momentary fit of rage.


Sony thinks well all get pissed, 20 people will quit, and the rest of us will cool down, hop back iinto the game, do a mission, gain some money or buildings or something, maybe raid theed or something. If you want change DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!


You dont need SWG. There are other fun MMORPGS out there. A few are: city of heros (combat is extraordinarily fun) the upcoming World of Warcraft (WOW, looks very promising) amongst other already released MMOs. Explore your choices, dont give sony your money until they give you a finished product.


Everyone cancel until something is done about this. Ill be playing City Of Heros if annyone wants to join me.


/cancel (no joke)
Maxpax
Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:52 pm
#2064

Who is the manager? Pinocchio?



Nessuno
Rozer

ACCOUNTS CANCELLED 16/7/04
Raiyne
Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:55 pm
#2065






AnguishedAvenge wrote:

I have just cancelled my account. if any devs or admins want (they probably cant though) check, go right on ahead, im not bluffing like some of the people claiming they cancelled their accounts are probably doing, simply because they are in a momentary fit of rage.


Sony thinks well all get pissed, 20 people will quit, and the rest of us will cool down, hop back iinto the game, do a mission, gain some money or buildings or something, maybe raid theed or something. If you want change DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!


You dont need SWG. There are other fun MMORPGS out there. A few are: city of heros (combat is extraordinarily fun) the upcoming World of Warcraft (WOW, looks very promising) amongst other already released MMOs. Explore your choices, dont give sony your money until they give you a finished product.


Everyone cancel until something is done about this. Ill be playing City Of Heros if annyone wants to join me.


/cancel (no joke)







But I don't want to quit! I love the people in the game too much.


I want them to listen to us!


Hopefully tomorrow will tell though I really wish someone would have talked to us this weekend...




Raiyne
RohmEnari
Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:19 am
#2066






JSpeedFreak wrote:
Well my final thoughts before the weekend is over is that this is indeed a defining moment for SOE management. We listen to you, we read your announcements, we play your product, you take our money. This is a black and white issue like no other. If management does listen to the dedicated player base, then they will make an announcement correcting this error, pushing JTLS off and doing the combat revamp first.

If they don't choose to do this and continue on the announced path, then this is a message which we hear you LOUD and CLEAR, which your actions are telling us: WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PLAYER BASE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, END OF STORY, DON'T BOTHER US.

Is anyone in agreement?

Ofonn

Message Edited by JSpeedFreak on 07-18-2004 10:03 PM





Bro, I couldn't agree more.




Your friendly neighborhood Ranger,


Reyune


TheRealXur
Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:10 am
#2067






JSpeedFreak wrote:
Well my final thoughts before the weekend is over is that this is indeed a defining moment for SOE management. We listen to you, we read your announcements, we play your product, you take our money. This is a black and white issue like no other. If management does listen to the dedicated player base, then they will make an announcement correcting this error, pushing JTLS off and doing the combat revamp first.

If they don't choose to do this and continue on the announced path, then this is a message which we hear you LOUD and CLEAR, which your actions are telling us: WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PLAYER BASE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, END OF STORY, DON'T BOTHER US.

Is anyone in agreement?

Ofonn

Message Edited by JSpeedFreak on 07-18-2004 10:03 PM





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