Development Cycle Archive

Thread: Holobits?!?!?!

CWEGuru
Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:03 am
#183






Zzorg wrote:





Bajonett wrote:



Earning your Jedi will have much more meaning after Publish 10 goes to live servers and as soon as is possible, I'll be posting about the translation of the efforts of all those people who have been completing professions on their way to becoming a Jedi. I can understand why it is such a burning issue and as soon as a couple of decisions are made internally, I'll be able to bring you the scoop.


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BURNING ISSUE?


Id like to know what i get for my Mastered Prof.. a box of FS-Skill each, once i did the prelude with "Glowing",

getting the Cystal and fending off 2 "Sith", to get into the village?That would be ok.


if its just some crap...






Not hardly .. .don't you all wish !! I just completed my trek to the Village in search of the long promised rewards spoke of in previous posts by our Dev Community ..


What do i speak of .. well the propased reward system put in place for the masses that have worked so long and hard to make jedi before this patch. PLEASE let me tell you what i recieved for my time spent grinding out 11 professions and 4 holos !! I got a wonderful system message that tells me upon entering the village, approaching the elder, then beginning the process of converting my surplus exp from my earned professions and skill trees ot FS EXP ..


You have earned 3 free FS tree choices !!! WOOT !! OK i get to choose 3 trees that i want to automatically master ... right >??? RIGHT > ???


WRONG !! upon choosing these 3 trees .. i get the honor of bypassing the 1 single mission that enables the FS toon to START TRAINING in the tree he choose. PLEASE LET ME CLARIFY THIS upon opening your FS slot you get to choose what path you will folloe ie. I choose to follow the Combat Prowess disipline : Takes 50k FS exp to learn the Novice box then you go on to work up your 4 trees ,, Ranged Accuracy - Ranged Speed // Melee Accuracy - Melee Speed --- then master each costing 175k 250k 350k and 450k exp per box ... WELL OK SOUNDS GOOD !!! I think i want to take the 2 melee trees for 2 of my 3 holo grind Free rewards seeing as I am a TKM. that sounds fair nad a just reward for all the work i have done ..I mean comeon 11 professions / 4 holos i get to bypass 3 trees or 12 of the 25 boxes needed just to make the padawan trials. <<<<< NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO >>>>>


What you get for all your hard work is the honor of not having to do the 3 starter missions to get the ability to start training boxes in these professional choices ... ie. in simpler terms i ground 11 professions over as many months to save myself an average of 3 hours going out and doing 3 simple starter missions. That's right .. i times a friend on TC that had never ground a single profession NOT ONE .. just played his charactor to a master did a few POI's and a few Theme parks. Got the visit from the Old man and proceeded to do his beginner FS open - novice missions .. Combat Prowess took him 52 minutes from start to finish and that included walking back from the mission from a distance of 9+ k with the Rescued NPC following him to the village ,,


BOTTOM LINE DEVS !!!! As soon as this becomes known by the masses // hits live the way it is ... OMG !!! DON'T EVEN WORRIE ABOUT JTL .. there won't be a rush to push en expansion pack to the FEW THAT REMAIN ... I will stick out the next few weeks to see just how this pans out. but pending a sweeping rethink on the way your screwing over your veteran players .. you just lost a buttload of your CORE Support players .. Hell I got 2 accounts with 5 masters on TC alone .. and the rest of my group/ guils / friends feel exactly the same way CYA


NOT !!!








OMG You have got to be kidding me all that work wasted? No wonder they wont tell us what credit we will get like TH promised back in May and still wont tell us.
LukeBorgman
Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:14 am
#184

After some discussion in-game and on the forums, I want to point out an effect of the Vendor Nerf that you may not have intended. Even before this, most Merchant characters are alts or secondaries. That's because of skill points being shared by combat and non-combat professions alike. It is currently possible to Master a craft and a combat profession and have fun, but Merchant is only something a single-character player can get temporarily. The unintended effect of being able to keep vendors after surrendering Merchant was that such a character could be reasonably successful even though not as mobile with his business as a multi-character player.


With this change SWG will push most production crafters into the multi-character-player realm as well.


Perhaps this is intentional as it earns SOE more money from double (or more) subscription fees. Thunderheart, do you think this is not true? I'm hoping it just wasn't recognized. I didn't really see it for a few days of talking and thinking about it as I give up my shop and probably crafting altogether.


Is completing the Force Sensitive Quests the expected way to get the alt needed to be able to successfully play a crafter? Don't let the Merchant profession fool you. They pay more for alts, so they argue to keep their investment. If you removed all the Merchant alts, there would not be such a demand for the Merchant profession to dominate the economy. There simply wouldn't be enough of them.


Please consider separating combat and non-combat skill points into two pools. ...or even removing the Merchant profession and putting the skills in Artisan Business.



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Zzorg
Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:33 pm
#185






Bajonett wrote:



Earning your Jedi will have much more meaning after Publish 10 goes to live servers and as soon as is possible, I'll be posting about the translation of the efforts of all those people who have been completing professions on their way to becoming a Jedi. I can understand why it is such a burning issue and as soon as a couple of decisions are made internally, I'll be able to bring you the scoop.


_____________________________________________________________________________________________


BURNING ISSUE?


Id like to know what i get for my Mastered Prof.. a box of FS-Skill each, once i did the prelude with "Glowing",

getting the Cystal and fending off 2 "Sith", to get into the village?That would be ok.


if its just some crap...






Not hardly .. .don't you all wish !! I just completed my trek to the Village in search of the long promised rewards spoke of in previous posts by our Dev Community ..


What do i speak of .. well the propased reward system put in place for the masses that have worked so long and hard to make jedi before this patch. PLEASE let me tell you what i recieved for my time spent grinding out 11 professions and 4 holos !! I got a wonderful system message that tells me upon entering the village, approaching the elder, then beginning the process of converting my surplus exp from my earned professions and skill trees ot FS EXP ..


You have earned 3 free FS tree choices !!! WOOT !! OK i get to choose 3 trees that i want to automatically master ... right >??? RIGHT > ???


WRONG !! upon choosing these 3 trees .. i get the honor of bypassing the 1 single mission that enables the FS toon to START TRAINING in the tree he choose. PLEASE LET ME CLARIFY THIS upon opening your FS slot you get to choose what path you will folloe ie. I choose to follow the Combat Prowess disipline : Takes 50k FS exp to learn the Novice box then you go on to work up your 4 trees ,, Ranged Accuracy - Ranged Speed // Melee Accuracy - Melee Speed --- then master each costing 175k 250k 350k and 450k exp per box ... WELL OK SOUNDS GOOD !!! I think i want to take the 2 melee trees for 2 of my 3 holo grind Free rewards seeing as I am a TKM. that sounds fair nad a just reward for all the work i have done ..I mean comeon 11 professions / 4 holos i get to bypass 3 trees or 12 of the 25 boxes needed just to make the padawan trials. <<<<< NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO >>>>>


What you get for all your hard work is the honor of not having to do the 3 starter missions to get the ability to start training boxes in these professional choices ... ie. in simpler terms i ground 11 professions over as many months to save myself an average of 3 hours going out and doing 3 simple starter missions. That's right .. i times a friend on TC that had never ground a single profession NOT ONE .. just played his charactor to a master did a few POI's and a few Theme parks. Got the visit from the Old man and proceeded to do his beginner FS open - novice missions .. Combat Prowess took him 52 minutes from start to finish and that included walking back from the mission from a distance of 9+ k with the Rescued NPC following him to the village ,,


BOTTOM LINE DEVS !!!! As soon as this becomes known by the masses // hits live the way it is ... OMG !!! DON'T EVEN WORRIE ABOUT JTL .. there won't be a rush to push en expansion pack to the FEW THAT REMAIN ... I will stick out the next few weeks to see just how this pans out. but pending a sweeping rethink on the way your screwing over your veteran players .. you just lost a buttload of your CORE Support players .. Hell I got 2 accounts with 5 masters on TC alone .. and the rest of my group/ guils / friends feel exactly the same way CYA


NOT !!!


Zzorg
Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:41 pm
#186






chimichi wrote:





chimichi wrote:





chimichi wrote:





Thunderheart wrote:






GeneralKerensky wrote:






Earning your Jedi will have much more meaning after Publish 10 goes to live servers and as soon as is possible, I'll be posting about the translation of the efforts of all those people who have been completing professions on their way to becoming a Jedi. I can understand why it is such a burning issue and as soon as a couple of decisions are made internally, I'll be able to bring you the scoop.



How about some info regarding 9-10 unlockers and what it is we have "unlocked".







Still waiting....





Still waiting....




FORGET ABOUT IT .. I learned the hard way ..
went to TC Joined the community Worked my ASS off gettting the Holos out of the way .. ground 8 more professions for what ..I saved myself all of about 3 hours of gameplaygetting where the noob that never even cracked a holohas already gotten on TC ..


What do you say to that one Thunderheart ??


coronula
Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:35 pm
#187






CWEGuru wrote:





Zzorg wrote:





Bajonett wrote:



Earning your Jedi will have much more meaning after Publish 10 goes to live servers and as soon as is possible, I'll be posting about the translation of the efforts of all those people who have been completing professions on their way to becoming a Jedi. I can understand why it is such a burning issue and as soon as a couple of decisions are made internally, I'll be able to bring you the scoop.


_____________________________________________________________________________________________


BURNING ISSUE?


Id like to know what i get for my Mastered Prof.. a box of FS-Skill each, once i did the prelude with "Glowing",

getting the Cystal and fending off 2 "Sith", to get into the village?That would be ok.


if its just some crap...






Not hardly .. .don't you all wish !! I just completed my trek to the Village in search of the long promised rewards spoke of in previous posts by our Dev Community ..


What do i speak of .. well the propased reward system put in place for the masses that have worked so long and hard to make jedi before this patch. PLEASE let me tell you what i recieved for my time spent grinding out 11 professions and 4 holos !! I got a wonderful system message that tells me upon entering the village, approaching the elder, then beginning the process of converting my surplus exp from my earned professions and skill trees ot FS EXP ..


You have earned 3 free FS tree choices !!! WOOT !! OK i get to choose 3 trees that i want to automatically master ... right >??? RIGHT > ???


WRONG !! upon choosing these 3 trees .. i get the honor of bypassing the 1 single mission that enables the FS toon to START TRAINING in the tree he choose. PLEASE LET ME CLARIFY THIS upon opening your FS slot you get to choose what path you will folloe ie. I choose to follow the Combat Prowess disipline : Takes 50k FS exp to learn the Novice box then you go on to work up your 4 trees ,, Ranged Accuracy - Ranged Speed // Melee Accuracy - Melee Speed --- then master each costing 175k 250k 350k and 450k exp per box ... WELL OK SOUNDS GOOD !!! I think i want to take the 2 melee trees for 2 of my 3 holo grind Free rewards seeing as I am a TKM. that sounds fair nad a just reward for all the work i have done ..I mean comeon 11 professions / 4 holos i get to bypass 3 trees or 12 of the 25 boxes needed just to make the padawan trials. <<<<< NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO >>>>>


What you get for all your hard work is the honor of not having to do the 3 starter missions to get the ability to start training boxes in these professional choices ... ie. in simpler terms i ground 11 professions over as many months to save myself an average of 3 hours going out and doing 3 simple starter missions. That's right .. i times a friend on TC that had never ground a single profession NOT ONE .. just played his charactor to a master did a few POI's and a few Theme parks. Got the visit from the Old man and proceeded to do his beginner FS open - novice missions .. Combat Prowess took him 52 minutes from start to finish and that included walking back from the mission from a distance of 9+ k with the Rescued NPC following him to the village ,,


BOTTOM LINE DEVS !!!! As soon as this becomes known by the masses // hits live the way it is ... OMG !!! DON'T EVEN WORRIE ABOUT JTL .. there won't be a rush to push en expansion pack to the FEW THAT REMAIN ... I will stick out the next few weeks to see just how this pans out. but pending a sweeping rethink on the way your screwing over your veteran players .. you just lost a buttload of your CORE Support players .. Hell I got 2 accounts with 5 masters on TC alone .. and the rest of my group/ guils / friends feel exactly the same way CYA


NOT !!!








OMG You have got to be kidding me all that work wasted? No wonder they wont tell us what credit we will get like TH promised back in May and still wont tell us.




Well, I have been quietly hanging around waiting to see what one might get for mastering 20professions. Not really a grind since it has just been one or two professions a month. If that is really all we get then there isn't much point in hanging around much longer. I'm not going to start from scratch or even a few hours from it. I hope it's not true because I was looking forward to playing again.






Yulik Agier / Bria
Opat Tage / Bria
EarthBounder64
Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:23 pm
#188

Well nobody told you to go and grind out a ton of professions.

Be glad they give you anything at all for doing it, really.
roach_s
Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:28 pm
#189

I'm probably repeating someone elses suggestions, but I don't feel like reading 9 pages to see if my ideas are original.



On merchants.


I don't have a problem, personally, with limiting how many items can be placed on a vendor...provided MULTIPLES of an item can be loaded on a vendor with little or no restriction.


How about allowing factory crates to be loaded into a vendor as a single item, but the items purchased from them singly? How about loading multiples of factory crates? 500 objects all with the same serial number should all count as one object.


110 items is a little low, but 110 different items, (possibly 50 of each, so 5500 total items,) seems better.


This would burn loot merchants though.



Ke_la
Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:59 am
#190

What do i speak of .. well the propased reward system put in place for the masses that have worked so long and hard to make jedi before this patch. PLEASE let me tell you what i recieved for my time spent grinding out 11 professions and 4 holos !! I got a wonderful system message that tells me upon entering the village, approaching the elder, then beginning the process of converting my surplus exp from my earned professions and skill trees ot FS EXP ..







JUST BEING ABLE TO ENTER THE VILLAGE IS A REWARD if you never mastered a prof or only one or two you will still have to UNLOCK FS and get met by the stranger. So that has GOT to be worth atleast 4 or 5 profs itself (Talking holos plus the silant(some got 3 talkers some got 4) so that means that you got FS Credits for 6 or 7 profs low end is 6 so 1/2 a box per Prof is not bad. BTW I am not a grinder as I have NO Desire for Jedi beyond the second toon. and I have mastered 8 profs and that was NOT a Grind as accually PLAYED the game not GRINDED it. Its alot more fun to Play a game IMO as I have growned a box or two when I was that close to master and wanted to get over the top.




Ke'la Korian, Waylon Korien, Me'na Korien
Ke'la is a Master Rifleman/retireing Ranger and Waylon is an ID/DE
Me'na is the mayor of the City of Obalisic
"Have fun storming the castle". -- Miracle Max
"I knew it I am surrounded by %##@&!$# " -- Dark Helmet
"I am not Dead yet!" -- Guy from Holy Grail

jkbond
Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:07 am
#191

I believe that the merchants proposed 250 per vendor over 12 vendors, is decent but still not the greatest they could come up with. How about 6 vendors with 500 per. I think that would be much more effective =)



Jaycon Tabef - Jedi

"War isn't supposed to be easy. It's hard and the harder the better. Maybe there would be less war if it were just a little harder."



Ke_la
Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:47 pm
#192

You got it, Its an agreagte total of 3000 I think so 250 across 12 or 500 across 6 or 3000 on 1 its up to you. though I think that master is acually 4000 not shure on that




Ke'la Korian, Waylon Korien, Me'na Korien
Ke'la is a Master Rifleman/retireing Ranger and Waylon is an ID/DE
Me'na is the mayor of the City of Obalisic
"Have fun storming the castle". -- Miracle Max
"I knew it I am surrounded by %##@&!$# " -- Dark Helmet
"I am not Dead yet!" -- Guy from Holy Grail

Ukomba
Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:08 pm
#193

For publish 10 was asking for quest ideas and thought this might be the best place to put some ideas I had for them.

Quests for different profession types, for instance, social quests, explorer quests, combat
quests, etc.

1. Smuggler quest: Smugglers are known not only for they’re seedy connections, but also for they’re gambling skill. There should be smuggler quests where the smuggler has to win as Sabaac or some other gambling game. Han once won a planet this way, so some of the higher quests should have you be able to win some rare items as well as credits and XP.

2. Basic quest: It might be cool to have the race tracks also have quest options where you can race against NPCs for prize money, prize items, and or experience for some class or another. Smuggler might be a good since Han use to swoop race.

3. Combat quests: In Knights Of The Old Republic, there was a combat tournament side quest. In galaxies there should be tournaments, either player vs player, or player vs NPCs. There could be different classes, such as: Unarmed, Melee Armed, light projectile, and Heavy weapon. During the fight players shouldn’t be able to switch weapons. There could even be a coliseum of types where not participants could watch, or watch on terminal like view screens.

4. Ranger Quests: An easy ranger quest might be to have a ranger be hired by a hunting party and have him track the animal required with NPC’s tagging along and then have the NPC’s take what ever it is down. The ranger could then extract resources.

5. Dancer / Musician: There could be a party where for the quest the player must join an entertainer group of NPCs. There could be cues for the type of flourish that has to be done, and doing it on the right mark would give a bonus to xp and or the reward. Kind of like Dance Dance Revolution.

6. Chef: Could be a mission for a chef to take a position as a short order cook, or a banquette planner where they have to make the best food possible, or the right food asked for.

7. Tailor: Two words, Faison show. There should be a show where a Tailor could show they’re best stuff. Winners could get a special badge, or be noted some where as the best of the best.
kaige_bh
Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:33 am
#194

I like the idea of having a timer to take care of recursive macros. This way (although somewhat useless from a recent update) the armor macros will still work.

I can't wait to see the "credit for professions", when publish 10 goes live. I think the one that GeneralKerensky suggested would work great. Most of the critics of it would be the ones that have at least 1 character that they mastered 20+ professions with.

I think the new HAM system will be a step in the right direction. This could have a big impact on the SWG economy: chefs, entertainers, doctors, and combat medics.
Oboko
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:19 am
#195

well yes people were told to master a bunch of proffesion to unlock jedi, holo grinding was telling people to master proffesion learn the system beforeyou coment on it.I how ever don't feel any reward should be given for your starter skills like marksmen, scout artisain, brawler or entertainer unless it was a holo profession. since these skills are easly masterd skills.. The people that get to me about getting a reward for grinding 6 or 7 profession and 5 of them being starter profs have no room to complain about the reward.. the players that masterted 20+ as i masterd 30 profs with out unlocking do have a reason to complain if this new system was not in place by this time next month i would have unlocked my jedi.. Now that the new system is going in to place it would meen i would have to wait 4 more months just to start my quest to finish out and get my jedi.. I won't be here in 4 months if it turns out this way.. i rather start a new MMORPG then to start over with an old one..



Oboko Kri ( MBH of Shadowfire- If the moneys right i will bring them down.)
Sinjinn Master Fencer/Doc 5 rows FS one phase form padawan trails-Shadowfire
Tweezer Mechant/Dancer- Shadowfire
Twizler Merchant/Dancer- Ahazi
Tweezer Master commando/Master TKA-Ahazi
Drezden Master merchant/master weaponsmith- Ahazi
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